General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

Rayne Wooney

Klopp is simply an ordinary manager, he has shown in recent years he doesn’t have the extra needed to make him an elite level manager.

He isn’t a special one, and when he leaves Liverpool in the next 12 months he will find it very hard to get a job.

His tactics are suicidal.

Berserker

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Klopp is simply an ordinary manager, he has shown in recent years he doesn’t have the extra needed to make him an elite level manager.

He isn’t a special one, and when he leaves Liverpool in the next 12 months he will find it very hard to get a job.

His tactics are suicidal.

Start drinking early this morning?

Thanx 4 The Fish

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Past, present, future

And excuse me but what role in this thread?

You said a thing, you have been proven wrong, not for the first time.
You dismiss it because it does not serve you purpose, not for for the first time.
You later go on to move the goalposts (and say 'at Liverpool') not for the first time.

As for you role in this thread, if you do not know then far be it from me to say.

GreNoLi

Liverpool

Bonanza!

Liam McPoyle

Keane had a cracking game, he looks to be improving every year. Can see him moving to a top 6 team sooner rather than later.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Everton

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

You said a thing, you have been proven wrong, not for the first time.
You dismiss it because it does not serve you purpose, not for for the first time.
You later go on to move the goalposts (and say 'at Liverpool') not for the first time.

As for you role in this thread, if you do not know then far be it from me to say.

Surely you understand the discussion is about his time managing Liverpool. The game was on last night yes? And Liverpools defence collapsed yes?
If you believe he's managed to organise his defence in an efficient manner throughout his time at Liverpool then that's your opinion but I'd suspect alot wouldn't agree.

Everton

West Ham v Newcastle looks to be the juiciest of the 3pm games
Is it on the Tele?

Business Cat

Everton

Business Cat wrote: »

Keane had a cracking game, he looks to be improving every year. Can see him moving to a top 6 team sooner rather than later.

And we sold him

Harry Palmr

Chicken Farmer Joe Allen keeping Hughes in a job.

Huddersfield all over Soton apparently.

irishman86

Everton

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Klopp is simply an ordinary manager, he has shown in recent years he doesn’t have the extra needed to make him an elite level manager.

He isn’t a special one, and when he leaves Liverpool in the next 12 months he will find it very hard to get a job.

His tactics are suicidal.

A manager that won two Bundesligas and got Dortmund to the final is pretty elite. Its not his fault Liverpool is one of the hardest jobs in football.
Big history but compared to modern super clubs they dont spend that much
I see him at Bayern next season

blueser

PhlegmyMoses

Liverpool

Was Fernandinho always that good of a passer?

irishman86

Everton

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Was Fernandinho always that good of a passer?

Yes

blueser

irishman86 wrote: »

Yes

He's a vital part of our team. And, like Silva, criminally under-rated by the majority of folk outside of the club

Rayne Wooney

irishman86 wrote: »

A manager that won two Bundesligas and got Dortmund to the final is pretty elite. Its not his fault Liverpool is one of the hardest jobs in football.
Big history but compared to modern super clubs they dont spend that much
I see him at Bayern next season

An elite level manager doesn’t win 3 trophies in 17 years of management.

He is the Arsenal of football managers. Not sure how you figure a manager who has presumably failed at Liverpool, would be given the reins at Bayern.

irishman86

Everton

blueser wrote: »

He's a vital part of our team. And, like Silva, criminally under-rated by the majority of folk outside of the club

Madness when you think about it

irishman86

Everton

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

An elite level manager doesn’t win 3 trophies in 17 years of management.

He is the Arsenal of football managers. Not sure how you figure a manager who has presumably failed at Liverpool, would be given the reins at Bayern.

A manager that manages first of all Dortmund who play in the same league as Bayern and then Liverpool who are behind 4 or 5 clubs
Who thinks hes failed at Liverpool, i dont i think hes done a good job at a club that is a very long shot to win the league, hes still very respected in Germany for his record at Dortmund, not everyone bases everything on the premier league

PhlegmyMoses

Liverpool

blueser wrote: »

He's a vital part of our team. And, like Silva, criminally under-rated by the majority of folk outside of the club

Never underrated Silva myself but guilty of it with Fernandinho in a way. Hard worker, but had him as more of a destroyer or engine of the midfield. He has added more creativity to his game this season for sure.

Lukker-

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

An elite level manager doesn’t win 3 trophies in 17 years of management.

He is the Arsenal of football managers. Not sure how you figure a manager who has presumably failed at Liverpool, would be given the reins at Bayern.

Bayern would definitely take him. Liverpool aren’t exactly a powerhouse financially. Same goes for Dortmund, they were always punching above their weight when they beat Bayern to the title.

Harry Palmr

Charlie Austin should have been red carded.

Stoke 2-0.

PhlegmyMoses

Liverpool

Just on the idea that Liverpool aren't a financial powerhouse thing, without knowing too much about their finances post Hicks and Gillette, it seems mental to me that they wouldnt be right up there in global terms. With the money washing around the PL it is a major failure if you can't make that club huge.

ERG89

Harry Palmr wrote:

Stoke 2-0.

Mark Hughes is going to be extra smug in the post match interview. Pardew meanwhile hasnt added much of a bump to West Brom's fortunes.

Mushy

Pardew working his magic

Harry Palmr

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Just on the idea that Liverpool aren't a financial powerhouse thing, without knowing too much about their finances post Hicks and Gillette, it seems mental to me that they wouldnt be right up there in global terms. With the money washing around the PL it is a major failure if you can't make that club huge.

FSG want the club to pay it's own way. Man City are owned by a country who want to run the football world (Guardian article about this plan on a previous page posted by me), Chelsea have spent a load of money and still have done recently but they are now working within a standard budget. Man Utd are very well run and have very deep pockets thanks to 77,000 a week and Woodwards commercial acumen. Arsenal are a funny club one suspects they can push the boat out more than they are willing and Spurs well who knows? Big new stadium could be as much a drag on finances as a boost with the capacity.

blueser

:D

Nice one Raz. Cracking lay off by Kun as well.

Cantona's Collars

Benitez saving his job and possibly the sale of the club,2-1 to Newcastle now.

Harry Palmr

3-1 actually,

Atsu West Ham all fall down!

Guy:Incognito

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Surely you understand the discussion is about his time managing Liverpool. The game was on last night yes? And Liverpools defence collapsed yes?
If you believe he's managed to organise his defence in an efficient manner throughout his time at Liverpool then that's your opinion but I'd suspect alot wouldn't agree.

The defence as a system collapsed or a couple of players made individual errors? Other than replacing them with better players that your hope make less errors , how do you stop a player making a mistake? I highly doubt he coaches then to make mistakes in situations.

blueser

GET IN!3-0 now, Kun with a brace. Haven't really got out of second gear today.

blueser

Nice one Danilo!

irishman86

Everton

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Never underrated Silva myself but guilty of it with Fernandinho in a way. Hard worker, but had him as more of a destroyer or engine of the midfield. He has added more creativity to his game this season for sure.

Not really, he was very creative even previous to signing at City. Maybe you notice it more when they beat teams 4-0 on the regular
Ask any City fan and hes one of the first names on the sheet

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Alli two footed again.

Yellow probably right but he is filthy with a tackle.

Cantona's Collars

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Alli two footed again.

Yellow probably right but he is filthy with a tackle.

He just won a penalty with one of those running into the defenders legs efforts. He's rapidly becoming one of the most unlikable players in the league.

Rossi IRL

Everton

Did Alli dive for that pen?

Looked like he anticipated contact that never happened and through himself to the ground.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Hartson definitely a pen now it's Alli is being clever waiting for the leg and running into it.


British players don't dive they are clever.

Osmosis Jones

Liverpool

Dive for me, he'd have been sent off too as he got a yellow 4 minutes in.

https://streamable.com/46pbj

Mantis Toboggan

Looked like he dived to me.

Rossi IRL

Everton

Hate that with the English channels when they won't call out English players for diving

He was "clever"

No he ****ing dived, call it what it was.

Of course the FA will do nothing, he isn't a foreign player from a smaller team.

blueser

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

He just won a penalty with one of those running into the defenders legs efforts. He's rapidly becoming one of the most unlikable players in the league.

Got to be careful with what I say about him on here, but let's just say I don't think much of him.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Hartson definitely a pen now it's Alli is being clever waiting for the leg and running into it.


British players don't dive they are clever.

If there is any justice then that is a three game ban, crumpled his leg like he was took but nothing touched him. Maybe he is looking for a nice christmas break.

blueser

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Hate that with the English channels when they won't call out English players for diving

He was "clever"

No he ****ing dived, call it what it was.

Of course the FA will do nothing, he isn't a foreign player from a smaller team.

He got slaughtered on MOTD for his "tackle" (loose definition of the word) last weekend.

martyos121

Liverpool

I’d nearly have praised Alli for his gamesmanship because it’s the type of thing the English national team are lacking in tournaments, but he’s actually just a really nasty and aggressive bloke and I won’t be sorry when he’s on the other end of some aggression down the line.

Osmosis Jones

Liverpool

Such a massive swing on that decision, he's already on a yellow so if the ref called it correctly it would still be 0-0 and Spurs would be down to 10 men. Instead Spurs still have 11 and are 1-0 up.

I'm sure Burnley will be fine with taking a loss as long as Dele Alli misses the next game against Southampton though :rolleyes:

Rossi IRL

Everton

blueser wrote: »

He got slaughtered on MOTD for his "tackle" (loose definition of the word) last weekend.

Yeah but diving is alot different with the media in regards English players.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

blueser wrote: »

He got slaughtered on MOTD for his "tackle" (loose definition of the word) last weekend.

Ian Wright laughing his head off ahhh Dele he's ok kind of slaughtered yup that really was hard reporting on his nasty ankle breaking tackle.


Kane's not that type of player so his tackle is ok that was great from the MoTD panel.

From Lineker himself on ankle breaking tackles.

Maybe because the guys played the game and realise these challenges are largely unintentional and generally don’t do too much damage. They both stated that Kane and Alli were lucky not to get red cards. What more do you want? Or is this an Arsenal/Spurs issue you have?

https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/942189226761834497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.givemesport.com%2F1217741-gary-lineker-reacts-after-motd-is-criticised-for-coverage-of-dele-alli-tackle

blueser

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Ian Wright laughing his head off ahhh Dele he's ok kind of slaughtered yup that really was hard reporting on his nasty ankle breaking tackle.


Kane's not that type of player so his tackle is ok that was great from the MoTD panel.

From Lineker himself on ankle breaking tackles.




https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/942189226761834497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.givemesport.com%2F1217741-gary-lineker-reacts-after-motd-is-criticised-for-coverage-of-dele-alli-tackle

We all know what Wright said (or, more pertinently, didn't say). But he isn't the sole mouthpiece for MOTD. The other pundit (was it Keown?) said both Kane and Alli deserved to walk for their challenges.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Yeah but diving is alot different with the media in regards English players.

Yep. it is a filthy foreign disease....

Rekop dog

Spurs

martyos121 wrote: »

I’d nearly have praised Alli for his gamesmanship because it’s the type of thing the English national team are lacking in tournaments,

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic here or not?

GreNoLi

Liverpool

Diving is an artform, Alli has come on leaps and bounds.

theoneeyedman

It seems to be an epl thing though, this rampant diving. There seems to be a policy of any contact in the box is a foul, regardless of whether it's actually foul play or not. It seems to me like a policy to bump up the goal stats, perhaps encouraged by the TV companies or something, because the referees in the continent, even in Italy & Spain, seem to look for actual fouls not just incidental contact.