General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Gerrard & Jenas both saying Alli was right to cheat be clever and the defender was stupid.

Royale with Cheese

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Gerrard & Jenas both saying Alli was right to cheat be clever and the defender was stupid.

Something along the lines of... Why are you blaming Alli for being clever instead of blaming the defender for being a millisecond late with his tackle and giving Alli the opportunity to "be clever".

I mean it was put to them that Alli is a big strong guy and that was nowhere enough force to take him down, but apparently that doesn't matter anymore. Years and years spent moaning about diving and now it's your right as a striker to throw yourself to the ground the second a defender brushes up against you.

If that is genuinely the opinion of a well respected and recent premier league great like Gerard then the game is in trouble. The amount of people I know who love rugby and hate football will immediately point to stuff like this as to why they'd never watch football, and there is absolutely nothing you can say back to them as there is no defending it. It's actually turning people off the game.

Trigger

Liverpool

That is one of the worst misses of the season by Son

martyos121

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic here or not?

If you have to ask...:pac:

Jayop

Everton

How many has Kane got now in 2017? The guy is a genius.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Another hat-trick for Kane.

They are saying that is his 57th goal of 2017 for club and Country that can't be right can it?

Rekop dog

Spurs

Reckon he'd start for every team in the world.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Burnley could have had 5 pens yet got none going by the way they have been given over the last few weeks.

Gbear

Liverpool

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Another hat-trick for Kane.

They are saying that is his 57th goal of 2017 for club and Country that can't be right can it?

Joint top scorer in the world at the moment in 2017, tied with Messi.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

53 goals in 49 games wow.


Messi/Ronnie esk.

No way Spurs keep hold of him in the summer if the don't get CL football.

Rekop dog

Spurs

If they do sell him we're probably talking 300million+.

theoneeyedman

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Burnley could have had 5 pens yet got none going by the way they have been given over the last few weeks.

2 decisions by Mr Oliver within a few minutes summed up refereeing standards to me...
Volks out jumps lloris, incidental contact free out. 2 minutes later, Spurs defender jumps and holds down the Burnley attacker, no foul. IMHO, if the first one is a free, so is the second one, and vise versa, but Spurs get both decisions given their way. Burnley not in the big club gang yet.
Re the Harry Kane goals, as I said earlier, epl goalscorers stats are being padded by soft penalties, fine player and all though he is.

Jayop

Everton

Messi and Ronaldo stats wouldn't be similarly padded?

PhlegmyMoses

Liverpool

irishman86 wrote: »

Not really, he was very creative even previous to signing at City. Maybe you notice it more when they beat teams 4-0 on the regular
Ask any City fan and hes one of the first names on the sheet

Yeah maybe so man. Highly impressed with him this season anyway

citytillidie

February Live TV Games
Saturday 3rd
Burnley V Man City - Sky 12:30pm
Arsenal V Everton - BT 5:30pm

Sunday 4th
Palace V Newcastle - Sky 2:15pm
Liverpool V Spurs - Sky 4:30pm

Monday 5th
Watford V Chelsea - Sky 8pm
Will be moved to 12pm on Sunday if either team have an FA Cup replay

Saturday 10th
Spurs V Arsenal - BT 12:30pm
Man City V Leicester - Sky 5:30pm

Sunday 11th
Huddersfield V Bournemouth - BT 12pm
Newcastle V Man Utd - Sky 2:15pm
Southampton V Liverpool - Sky 4:30pm

Monday 12th
Chelsea V WBA - Sky 8pm

Saturday 24th
Leicester V Stoke - Sky 12:30
Watford V Everton - BT 5:30pm

Sunday 25th
Arsenal V Man City or Man Utd V Chelsea - Sky 2:05pm
Subject to the EFL Cup Final

Monday 26th
Palace V Spurs - Sky 8pm
If either team have an FA Cup replay it will be moved to 12pm on Sunday

ShamoBuc

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Glorious result / hilarious result
Happy Xmas

Merry Christmas to you too

ShamoBuc

Everton

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Merry Christmas

You too

nullzero

The League is in a funny place at the moment, all the chasing pack are falling over themselves to drop points leaving City's record breaking antics as the only talking point, which is a bit of a hard sell in light of their spending a billion quid to achieve it.
Without someone to challenge City the league could be difficult to promote.

Turtwig

To be fair pretty much the entire league bar spurs is on an expenditure frenzy. The big ones just spending more. So I'm not really seeing how that explains city's massive gap.

fullstop

nullzero wrote: »

The League is in a funny place at the moment, all the chasing pack are falling over themselves to drop points leaving City's record breaking antics as the only talking point, which is a bit of a hard sell in light of their spending a billion quid to achieve it.
Without someone to challenge City the league could be difficult to promote.

Why is it a hard sell...nobody else spending big bucks, no?

Harry Palmr

Chelsea won by 7 points,
Leicester City by 10,
Chelsea won by 7 points,
City by 2 points
Utd by 11 points
City on g/d
Utd by 9 points

So genuinely close fought title races have happened twice in this current decade.

The other thing to note is that Man Utd's winning margins this season have been shrinking, all those late goals against "fodder" earlier arguably gave a false impression of Utd's genuine threat.

nullzero

fullstop wrote: »

Why is it a hard sell...nobody else spending big bucks, no?

Nobody else is competing, everyone is spending big money, but the value in the transfer market is so poor no one can compete. Even a two horse race is better than one side winning at a canter.

Cantona's Collars

Kevin Palmer saying VVD to Liverpool 90% done after the club's reached agreement on the payment structure of the fee which will reach £70 million.
That's nuts money for a defender.

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool/liverpool-finally-make-a-breakthrough-in-their-pursuit-of-virgil-van-dijk-report-36434315.html?__twitter_impression=true

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Completely crazy money and he’s worth about half that is not less.

Thanx 4 The Fish

More I see of Mata's first the better it gets, berely any backlift and banged right into the corner.

ERG89

According to the Sunday World. So it must be true.
Do John Aldridge & Dennis Irwin still write glorified parody columns for them?

Turtwig

Lukaku was fantastic today. You have to wonder though if utd had a proper ten *cough* Ozil *cough* would lukaku have been the guy on the finishing end of all the opportunities lukaku was actually creating?

MD1990

Rashford is way over hyped.
He is an appalling finisher under pressure. Runs around like a headless chicken at times too.

Martial much more talented.

fullstop

nullzero wrote: »

Nobody else is competing, everyone is spending big money, but the value in the transfer market is so poor no one can compete. Even a two horse race is better than one side winning at a canter.

I'm sure you'd be happy enough if it was the team you support that was 13 points clear though? City are playing great football and I find them very enjoyable to watch.

mickmackey1

Guardiola - 16 wins in a row with Barca, 17 with City, 19 with Bayern. It's not all about the money.

fullstop

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Re the Harry Kane goals, as I said earlier, epl goalscorers stats are being padded by soft penalties, fine player and all though he is.

1st penalty they've had in the league all season...

nullzero

fullstop wrote: »

I'm sure you'd be happy enough if it was the team you support that was 13 points clear though? City are playing great football and I find them very enjoyable to watch.

A slightly reductionist way of looking at it.
As a United fan I can say the hard fought league titles were the sweetest victories. Even our last title in Fergie's final season was a bit of a canter, little did we realize how different things would be from then on.
City are playing lovely football, but their achievements thus far are like those of all successful sides, they are relative to the competition they're facing.
I honestly feel the over all quality in the premier league hasn't been great for quite some time, the poor performance of English sides in the champions league perhaps illustrates that the best, where not too long ago English sides regularly performed well in the competition it has been quite some time since they've made any great impression there, although the Champions league is a competition which needs a rethink as the group stages are so uninspired for the most part these days but I digress.
My point I'm trying, perhaps unsuccessfully to make is that even a little bit more pressure on City would be preferable to a league title secured for the most part before Christmas.

ERG89

mickmackey1 wrote:

Guardiola - 16 wins in a row with Barca, 17 with City, 19 with Bayern. It's not all about the money.

They are spending in the same market too. Thoae below them inflate the market aa much as anyone, Chelsea & United both spent 70 million on strikers just this past summer so I don't buy into this buying it thing.
Guardiola is playing essentially all his best players in the current formation & still getting the best out of them. Has has injuries at the back & adapted to it. Brought in Ederson who was just what they needed, meanwhile United brought in Lindeloff for around the same & use him as a squad player same with Drinkwater at Chelsea, Chamberlain at Liverpool. Around 35 million for players who aren't first choice.
People need to take a closer look at what those teams are spending on before judging City.

thebaz

fullstop wrote: »

Why is it a hard sell...nobody else spending big bucks, no?

For a team playing such great football and running away with the league - what is worrying is the Eithad itself does not seam to be selling out - plenty of empty seats.

I like Pep and his football , but would also like to see someone challenging

mickmackey1

nullzero wrote: »

My point I'm trying, perhaps unsuccessfully to make is that even a little bit more pressure on City would be preferable to a league title secured for the most part before Christmas.

55 points out of 57 is something special though... the rest have the expected number of points for their respective positions. Sometimes quality just has to be applauded.

The Talking Bread

Everton

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Re the Harry Kane goals, as I said earlier, epl goalscorers stats are being padded by soft penalties, fine player and all though he is.

Messi, Ronaldo?

Exact same ratio of penalties to goals, give or take. If not more, considering the likelihood of Madrid/Barca earning penalties is higher than Spurs

Ronaldo has scored almost 20% of his Madrid career goals via penalties, Messi probably about 15% I think, Kane the same as the latter

TitianGerm

Liverpool

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Kevin Palmer saying VVD to Liverpool 90% done after the club's reached agreement on the payment structure of the fee which will reach £70 million.
That's nuts money for a defender.

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/liverpool/liverpool-finally-make-a-breakthrough-in-their-pursuit-of-virgil-van-dijk-report-36434315.html?__twitter_impression=true

Liverpool need a defender who can organise things. If he can add a bit of composure to the backline then that would be £70m well spent.

Personally I think it's mad money but John Stones was £50m two years ago and the market is even crazier now.

VVD won't solve Liverpools defensive problems alone.

A proper defensive midfielder is badly needed too.

MD1990

RoboKlopp wrote: »

VVD won't solve Liverpools defensive problems alone.

A proper defensive midfielder is badly needed too.

GK needed before a DM.

Harry Palmr

Good to see Charlie Austin charged with his attempted GBH on the Huddersfield keeper

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

MD1990 wrote: »

GK needed before a DM.

A proper GK and Liverpool would be up about 6-8 pts this season far more important than a DM. Its criminal that mignolet has been in goal for 5 seasons now.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Garry Monk back to Swansea maybe.

Harry Palmr

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Garry Monk back to Swansea maybe.

Chatter sez that's why he got binned by Steve Gibson - an undisclosed inquiry by Monk.

M!Ck^

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Glorious result / hilarious result
Happy Xmas

That karma is some biatch, huh?

KERSPLAT!

Liverpool

That made my Christmas

Harry Palmr

Emmanuel Eboue on hard times

https://www.balls.ie/football/emmanuel-eboue-fallen-desperately-hard-times-380166

niallo27

Arsenal

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Emmanuel Eboue on hard times

https://www.balls.ie/football/emmanuel-eboue-fallen-desperately-hard-times-380166

Isn't there some crazy stat in the states about the amount of nba and nfl stars who are bankrupt within a few years of retiring. It's definetly a bigger problem among the black community maybe due to the fact they find it harder to get tv roles or coaching roles.

Bridge93

Liverpool

It is in part, if you listen to some of the players, to do with having enormous families back home living off them and communities that act like leeches when they've a successful player from the village

Shanotheslayer

Liverpool

Deleted User wrote: »

That karma is some biatch, huh?

I tried to quote Micks post but can't seem to find it.


So either I'm being silly or Mick had major regrets.

Shanotheslayer

Liverpool

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Emmanuel Eboue on hard times

https://www.balls.ie/football/emmanuel-eboue-fallen-desperately-hard-times-380166

niallo27 wrote: »

Isn't there some crazy stat in the states about the amount of nba and nfl stars who are bankrupt within a few years of retiring. It's definetly a bigger problem among the black community maybe due to the fact they find it harder to get tv roles or coaching roles.

There was a mass debate recently about the 'coaching roles' aspect of black people, but the TV roles? I heard no such thing. I could name plenty.

To me his skin colour has nothing to do with it, he blatantly says he was stupid with money, so I don't see how that has anything to do with a tv/coaching role.

Keith Gillespie was stupid with money, he doesn't appear on tv roles