General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

Arghus

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Not really but if Jose gets it worse I think it's because he brings it on himself.

I don't think Jose gets it bad at all. He says so many things that are so transperantly false on purpose, so the media will talk about how crazy Jose was to say such a thing etc, etc, great copy and all that, rather than ask him tough questions about his own responsibilities and failings.

He's a genius at manipulating the narrative after a game: say something obviously mental after a game, watch the media marvel at how crazy this weeks Jose quotes were, have them distracted and looking the other way, yesterday was a prime example. He knows exactly what he's at.

KERSPLAT!

Liverpool

Arghus wrote: »

I don't think Jose gets it bad at all. He says so many things that are so transperantly false on purpose, so the media will talk about how crazy Jose was so say such a thing etc, etc, great copy and all that, rather than ask him tough questions about his own responsibilities and failings.

He's a genius at manipulating the narrative after a game: say something obviously mental after a game, watch the media marvel at how crazy this weeks Jose quotes were, have them distracted and looking the other way, yesterday was a prime example. He knows exactly what he's at.

I agree, my post was poor. I don't think he gets it worse, I think that the criticisms of Jose are justified and due to his conduct during interviews it is more apparent. He causes issues for himself.

irishman86

Everton

the whole year inn wrote: »

What are you talking about, the odds aren't there because people back them, there are based on the lightly outcome , the odds will come in and out if there is a bets placed but to move a market like the CL would be massive bet and even at that I doubt there would be much movement in such a major tournament.
City are favourites on merit and there draw in the league , Liverpool have 1% chance at least put a realistic number.
Your post only proves your deluded on betting and football.
There's better Rb thought could have been got than Walker.

Liverpool havent won the league in what 27 years 1% is accurate enough
Who exactly is a better rb than Walker........Trippier :pac: (Not aimed at you, i remember having this conversation before)

irishman86

Everton

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Well, genius is a very subjective term. But best manager in the game currently.

I dont agree with that either, i'd personally prefer Conte or Mourinho but each to there own
Put Klopp in charge of that City team and it would tear teams apart aswell
I think hes a good manager in charge of the best squad

KERSPLAT!

Liverpool

Dave Azpilicuata wouldn't be far wide of the mark. Fantastic player and has proven himself across the whole back line

blueser

irishman86 wrote: »

Liverpool havent won the league in what 27 years 1% is accurate enough
Who exactly is a better rb than Walker........Trippier :pac: (Not aimed at you, i remember having this conversation before)

A significant portion of Spurs fans were adamant that Trippier was a better RB than Walker.

KERSPLAT!

Liverpool

Jose would be far down my list of managers I'd want. He's a great manager but a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off.

the whole year inn

Liverpool

irishman86 wrote: »

Liverpool havent won the league in what 27 years 1% is accurate enough
Who exactly is a better rb than Walker........Trippier :pac: (Not aimed at you, i remember having this conversation before)

1% are you crazy.

blueser

SSN reporting that Liverpool and Southampton have agreed a £75m (yep, £75m) fee for Van Dijk. Wow. I can't wait to see Mourinho's reaction. Or his unofficial mouthpiece Duncan Castles.

alchemist33

Can't be true. Klopp said he wouldn't pay inflated prices even if he had the money. Unless he was talking cr@p of course.

Rayne Wooney

80 million for a centre back, Liverpool fans crawling under rocks everywhere

Lukker-

Could be the final piece of the puzzle for Liverpool in fairness. If they manage to sign a defensive midfielder next season you'd fancy them to at least challenge for the title. Not sure if Keita is a Coutinho replacement though.

KERSPLAT!

Liverpool

Lukker- wrote: »

Could be the final piece of the puzzle for Liverpool in fairness. If they manage to sign a defensive midfielder next season you'd fancy them to at least challenge for the title. Not sure if Keita is a Coutinho replacement though.

Need a new keeper too...

irishman86

Everton

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Jose would be far down my list of managers I'd want. He's a great manager but a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off.

Its funny, i wouldnt want Pep for a stupid enough reason to. That he can only do three seasons before he gets bored :pac:

blueser

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

80 million for a centre back, Liverpool fans crawling under rocks everywhere

I remember the sh**storm when we paid 50m for Stones and Walker. I presume Liverpool will get the same flak we got?

irishman86

Everton

the whole year inn wrote: »

1% are you crazy.

I felt 0.5% would get the Liverpool fans in a uproar :pac:

blueser

irishman86 wrote: »

Its funny, i wouldnt want Pep for a stupid enough reason to. That he can only do three seasons before he gets bored :pac:

Same as Mourinho. He never hangs around in one place for too long.

Harry Palmr

blueser wrote: »

I remember the sh**storm when we paid 50m for Stones and Walker. I presume Liverpool will get the same flak we got?

No as the media Loverpool and hate City and their Arab petro dollars

and that Liverpool run a pretty tight ship - it sounds huge it is huge but also means the current first choice back line cost a total of 88 million. City paid about 200m for theirs (and that's on top of a previous generation of very expensive duds)

TitianGerm

Liverpool

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

80 million for a centre back, Liverpool fans crawling under rocks everywhere

It's £70 Rayne but don't let that ruin a good dig

TitianGerm

Liverpool

blueser wrote: »

I remember the sh**storm when we paid 50m for Stones and Walker. I presume Liverpool will get the same flak we got?

Without a doubt they will. Same as United got for Lukaku and Pogba.

adox

emmetkenny wrote: »

It's £70 Rayne but don't let that ruin a good dig

Both wrong. £75 million widely being reported.

pjohnson

blueser wrote: »

SSN reporting that Liverpool and Southampton have agreed a £75m (yep, £75m) fee for Van Dijk. Wow. I can't wait to see Mourinho's reaction. Or his unofficial mouthpiece Duncan Castles.

Yet you dont seem to be outraged at all. Odd how some clubs dont get criticised spending.

fullstop

irishman86 wrote: »

Have a read back through the thread and you will see every club gets compared to United not just City. I have no problem comparing the clubs if i'm honest. I think they are both doing a good job just Pep has got his team flowing faster
Next season if Jose does it, will Pep get the same abuse? the answer is he wont

Pep got plenty of flack last season when the team weren't performing so that's another thing you've got wrong...

KERSPLAT!

Liverpool

irishman86 wrote: »

Its funny, i wouldnt want Pep for a stupid enough reason to. That he can only do three seasons before he gets bored :pac:

There you are with your "stupid" again, hard to kick that habit

pjohnson

They should aswell make all transfer fees undisclosed. Fee's are literally worthless nowadays.

blueser

pjohnson wrote: »

Yet you dont seem to be outraged at all. Odd how some clubs dont get criticised spending.

I'm in no position to be outraged.
A. It's not my club
B. It's not my money
C. After the money we've spent on defenders (though not that much!), I can't really say anything

Anyhow; I wish him well. Once the middle of january has passed, of course!

TitianGerm

Liverpool

adox wrote: »

Both wrong. £75 million widely being reported.

You are right. Telegraph says £75m, I had read yesterday that Liverpool bid £70 and City £60.

Utopia Parkway

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

80 million for a centre back, Liverpool fans crawling under rocks everywhere

Klopp has spent about 20M on the defence since he arrived just over 2 years ago. I don't have a problem with him spending big on a player he really wants in that area of the pitch. His signings so far have been pretty good so I think most everyone will back his judgement while acknowledging that it is a lot of money.

Harry Palmr

It's Barcelona's money anyway!

niallo27

Arsenal

alchemist33 wrote: »

Can't be true. Klopp said he wouldn't pay inflated prices even if he had the money. Unless he was talking cr@p of course.

It's not an inflated price. City were willing to pay more or less the same. You pay for quality.

Osmosis Jones

Liverpool

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

80 million for a centre back, Liverpool fans crawling under rocks everywhere

Yeah nothing more embarrassing than your club signing a good and much needed player

Lukker-

I don't really get why VVD is worth £75m, that said, Conte, Pep and Klopp all wanted him and they know more about football than I do

pjohnson

niallo27 wrote: »

It's not an inflated price. City were willing to pay more or less the same. You pay for quality.

Of course its inflated. All bloody fees these days are.

blueser

niallo27 wrote: »

It's not an inflated price. City were willing to pay more or less the same. You pay for quality.

I doubt we were prepared to go that high. But we'll never know now. Shooting off at somewhat of a tangent, does this make Coutinho's exit more likely now (to balance the books)?

klose

Can't wait for van dijks quality to quickly diminish over the next coming days before he even laces his boot for us.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

75m :pac:

Madness. I can imagine Pool are paying a few more pounds after being caught with their hands in the cookie jar in the summer.

Lukker-

niallo27 wrote: »

It's not an inflated price. City were willing to pay more or less the same. You pay for quality.

Of course it is. Liverpool were about to sign him for £60m in the summer, but someone at Liverpool leaked it to the press and So'ton called the deal off and reported Liverpool.

Now his value is gone up £15m after a bang average half season where he has spent the majority of it sulking?

Lukker-

blueser wrote: »

I doubt we were prepared to go that high. But we'll never know now. Shooting off at somewhat of a tangent, does this make Coutinho's exit more likely now (to balance the books)?

I don't think the 2 were linked. Coutinho won't be going anywhere til the end of the season. It'd be pointless really, he'd only be able to play La Liga games and frankly, they have that wrapped up already essentially.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Lukker- wrote: »

I don't really get why VVD is worth £75m, that said, Conte, Pep and Klopp all wanted him and they know more about football than I do

We dodged a bullet not signing Van Djik in the summer, IMO.

Even the price in the summer was a PL to PL inflated transfer. If he came from abroad he'd have cost considerably less. At least Klopps is finally addressing their main issues. A new GK now and they'll push on to fight for the titles.

Rayne Wooney

I’d be holding off on calling him an answer to problems until he’s played a bit, very possible that the defensive problems at Liverpool aren’t all down to a couple of players, even though they try their hardest.

Benzino

Liverpool

It's crazy money, I hope it works out but I'm not very optimistic. At least it's sorted now.

Rumple Stillson

I'm not sure how good Van Dijk really is, time will tell. But if he does have a big impact on Liverpools defence, then why is spending that on a defender any different than spending it on a striker or a midfielder? Arguably, in this age, good defenders are a rarer commodity than midfielders or strikers.

Lukker-

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I’d be holding off on calling him an answer to problems until he’s played a bit, very possible that the defensive problems at Liverpool aren’t all down to a couple of players, even though they try their hardest.

I think lack of cover from the midfield is part of it. Henderson, Can, Wijnaldum offer no protection to the back 4. All Henderson is good for honestly is chasing people. No one is tactically or positionally smart enough, and that exposes the defence loads. They need a Kante type player.

Lukker-

Rumple Stillson wrote: »

I'm not sure how good Van Dijk really is, time will tell. But if he does have a big impact on Liverpools defence, then why is spending that on a defender any different than spending it on a striker or a midfielder? Arguably, in this age, good defenders are a rarer commodity than midfielders or strikers.

Good CB's and no.9's have always been the rarest commodity imo.

blueser

Lukker- wrote: »

I don't think the 2 were linked. Coutinho won't be going anywhere til the end of the season. It'd be pointless really, he'd only be able to play La Liga games and frankly, they have that wrapped up already essentially.

Apologies. I didn't make my thinking clear. I have no doubt that Coutinho will be staying put in january. But if Barca come back in for him in the summer, it'll be hard to shoo them away a second time. Particularly if the player wants the move.

Benzino

Everton

Benzino wrote: »

It's crazy money, I hope it works out but I'm not very optimistic. At least it's sorted now.

I assume you mean the saga is sorted? Not so sure about the defence being sorted tho. Crazy money.

Rumple Stillson

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I assume you mean the saga is sorted? Not so sure about the defence being sorted tho. Crazy money.

It's all crazy money at the moment though. Plus Liverpool are paying a premium to beat City to his signature and repair the damage done with Southampton in the summer.

I doubt he will solve all of Liverpool's problems but at least it's a good step in the right direction.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Newcastle will get a result tonight against City I reckon.

Just got a feeling they'll stop them winning... that or City will win 5-0.

Rumple Stillson

Everton

Rumple Stillson wrote: »

It's all crazy money at the moment though. Plus Liverpool are paying a premium to beat City to his signature and repair the damage done with Southampton in the summer.

I doubt he will solve all of Liverpool's problems but at least it's a good step in the right direction.

I suppose it's city and the January transfer market setting the precednace.
Is it a record signing for a defender? Something tells me it's close.

Rumple Stillson

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I suppose it's city and the January transfer market setting the precednace.
Is it a record signing for a defender? Something tells me it's close.

Yeah a record signing for a defender, eclipsing the 54 million City paid for Kyle Walker.

Selling Coutinho in the summer will balance the books on this one anyway. I don't think Liverpool would have paid it without the knowledge that there is a large transfer fee in the offing.