General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

dundalkfc10

irishman86 wrote: »

Very little from the media, just took spending 200 million to get the team performing :pac:
Thats straight from the PSG book of winning the league :pac:

Beats spending £70Million on a centre forward who can’t control a football

Berserker

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would bid fcuk all don't want him near the club

Serious? He is exactly what you need. Knows the league well and he'd slot in perfectly when needed. Comes across as a decent fella also. What have you got against him?

Shanotheslayer

Liverpool

70 million for VVD is ridiculous. Even in an inflated market he's nowhere near that level.

How much Toby Alder & Dave so if that's the case, 100million?

Can't see VVD justifying that price tag at all. The irony of it all is Liverpool fans giving United stick for Pogba for his price tag.

Shanotheslayer

Liverpool

Berserker wrote: »

Serious? He is exactly what you need. Knows the league well and he'd slot in perfectly when needed. Comes across as a decent fella also. What have you got against him?

Evans doesn't suit Peps system at all. So no idea how they are exactly what City need.

Considering City have only conceded 12 goals in the league I imagine a CB is the least of their worries :pac:

irishman86

Everton

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Beats spending £70Million on a centre forward who can’t control a football

Hes a goal scorer why does he need to control the football

Shanotheslayer

Liverpool

irishman86 wrote: »

Hes a goal scorer why does he need to control the football

To score more goals?

Berserker

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Evans doesn't suit Peps system at all. So no idea how they are exactly what City need.

Considering City have only conceded 12 goals in the league I imagine a CB is the least of their worries :pac:

They need cover at the back. Kompany limped off injured again tonight. Why doesn't Evans suit their system?

Rayne Wooney

It’ll be great to see how Klopp improves the 75 million centre back he just bought.

Genius truth be told, Mourinho doesn’t improve anybody

Shanotheslayer

Liverpool

Berserker wrote: »

They need cover at the back. Kompany limped off injured again tonight. Why doesn't Evans suit their system?

Comfortable on the ball. Reasonable quick and plays out from the back.

I would say Evans is reasonable comfortable on the ball but not to the level of Peps requirement.

They could buy a far superior CB for cover.

Shanotheslayer

Liverpool

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It’ll be great to see how Klopp improves the 75 million centre back he just bought.

Altho this post is a dig at Liverpool fans.


It'll be near impossible for him to justify his price tag. If Liverpool still concede a lot of goals weather VVD is at fault or not, it'll be based on clean sheets.

But United fans have been defending Pogba since they bought him and his stats are sh1te so perhaps they'll ask United fans for some advice

fullstop

irishman86 wrote: »

Hes a goal scorer why does he need to control the football

Well you've just shown how much of a clue you have with that post. Why would a footballer need to control a football? If you need to ask...

Minderbinder

GreNoLi wrote: »

Kevin 'The Architect' De Bruyne, what a player.

Someone’s been watching the darts

MD1990

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

70 million for VVD is ridiculous. Even in an inflated market he's nowhere near that level.

How much Toby Alder & Dave so if that's the case, 100million?

Can't see VVD justifying that price tag at all. The irony of it all is Liverpool fans giving United stick for Pogba for his price tag.

VVD is a better CB than Alderweirald.

Azpilicueta is a RB only played as a RCB in a 3 not a 2. He is a brillant player though.

Minderbinder

MD1990 wrote: »

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

70 million for VVD is ridiculous. Even in an inflated market he's nowhere near that level.

How much Toby Alder & Dave so if that's the case, 100million?

Can't see VVD justifying that price tag at all. The irony of it all is Liverpool fans giving United stick for Pogba for his price tag.

VVD is a better CB than Alderweirald.

I’d have to disagree with that on the grounds that it’s wrong.

pjohnson

MD1990 wrote: »

VVD is a better CB than Alderweirald.

Azpilicueta is a RB only played as a RCB in a 3 not a 2. He is a brillant player though.

Alderweireld is argubaly THE best CB in the league. No way is VVD better

Trigger

Liverpool

MD1990 wrote: »

VVD is a better CB than Alderweirald.

:pac:

Liamalone

Arsenal

Apparently Liverpool started the bidding at £75m plus Lovren but Southampton took a tough stance and got them down to just £75m.

Unearthly

Everton

Good signing for Liverpool. Their defence is still terrible but it's a start

Wrongway1985

Liam O wrote: »

Same place he got 20m for Essien probably. Mad that the reduction in the Essien fee by nearly 5m and the increase in the Vidic fee by 4m suited his argument so well though...

Read my post properly I said 20 odd million which for those not knowledgable enough is an approximation sorry I didn't have the exact figure.

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Noone heard of?

Vidic was relatively well known by most football people. .And was voted best Defender in Russian league. And at only 23 years of age!

I think this years top defender in Russia was part of a back line that conceded 8 goals to Liverpool in the Champions league.

MD1990

Spurs have struggled against the top 6 in head to heads.
I can't remember Alderweireld ever standing out against a top 6 team at all. He is not good when playing in a high line in particular.

Davison Sanchez has more potential. I would have preferred to have signed him for 40m than VVD for 75m.

Dcully

Alderweireld better than VVD lol just lol.

The Talking Bread

Everton

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Liam O wrote: »

Same place he got 20m for Essien probably. Mad that the reduction in the Essien fee by nearly 5m and the increase in the Vidic fee by 4m suited his argument so well though...

Read my post properly I said 20 odd million which for those not knowledgable enough is an approximation sorry I didn't have the exact figure.

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Noone heard of?

Vidic was relatively well known by most football people. .And was voted best Defender in Russian league. And at only 23 years of age!

I think this years top defender in Russia was part of a back line that conceded 8 goals to Liverpool in the Champions league.

Thanks for that fact!

I'm not sure what it has to do with Vidic as a defender back then but anyway!

I'd have to get a second word also as your fact knowledge isn't the most accurate to say the least!

Stop digging. ...

Wrongway1985

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Thanks for that fact!

I'm not sure what it has to do with Vidic as a defender back then but anyway!

I'd have to get a second word also as your fact knowledge isn't the most accurate to say the least!

Stop digging. ...

Your point was that people in the know were aware of Vidic and listed Russian defender of the year as a prime reason for it. That had little to do with the majority of people they didn't know him and witnessed his first average-poor outings in a United shirt.

I'm not really digging at all the initial post was to do that Mourinhos arrival was the start of mad money spending. 25/30m figures had already been spent by clubs before he arrived it's a closed book as far as I'm concerned.

blueser

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Comfortable on the ball. Reasonable quick and plays out from the back.

I would say Evans is reasonable comfortable on the ball but not to the level of Peps requirement.

They could buy a far superior CB for cover.

I'd take Alderweireld in a heartbeat. But it won't happen for two reasons.
1. Spurs won't sell him.

And even if they were prepared to sell,
2. Going on Levy's past record in transfer dealings, he'll have looked at Van Dijk's fee and he'd be looking for more than that. And I don't think we'd be prepared to go that high.

As an alternative, Harry Maguire. He doesn't do anything badly. And seeing what Pep has done with the likes of Delph, Otamendi, KDB and Sterling this season, he could do a great job with Maguire. Would Leicester sell him though? Certainly not next month anyway.

The Talking Bread

Everton

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Your point was that people in the know were aware of Vidic and listed Russian defender of the year as a prime reason for it. That had little to do with the majority of people they didn't know him and witnessed his first average-poor outings in a United shirt.

I'm not really digging at all the initial post was to do that Mourinhos arrival was the start of mad money spending. 25/30m figures had already been spent by clubs before he arrived it's a closed book as far as I'm concerned.

I didn't say it was a prime reason for his credentials per se but it is one of a dozen reasons he had good notoriety in the game as the team he joined got markedly better upon his arrival at the time. (Mid table lurkers the previous couple of seasons to title challengers when he was there)

The Serbian Back 4 were famous as a unit in the game after their qualifying exploits so it was hardly an OTT price at £7 million in 2006 when he joined (almost 2 years after Roman had arrivde)

Roman's first 2 seasons gross spending (and it was gross)

£112 to £123 million by different estimates
circa £95 million

Sure there was Rio and Veron who were huge fees and broke unprecedented ridiculous price barriers at the time but as a whole no team were spending the level of prices Chelsea paid each Summer once Jose and Roman teamed up.

You are talking about players like SWP for over £20 million

I think Chelsea bought well as a whole over the years (hindsight comes into play here though, like all good transfer dealings), a few duds but the likes of Makelele,Carvalho, Cech, Ferreira were great deals at the time, and noone disputed this, Drogba's price was inflated at the time but he had the pedigree and they had the money so they could afford to take an educated risk with him. Juve were only willing to offer half that so that goes to show the spending power and attitude Chelsea had.

But dragging Vidic into the argument and stating untruths like a 50% increase in transfer price and stating "noone (speak for yourself) had heard of him at the time" as an example to somewhat deflect from the inflationary spending by Chelsea at the time is poor enough innings!


vidic only played a handful of games in his first few months, most as sub appearances.

The following season he became First 11 United CB in a team that won the League and was well praised obviously and never looked back after that.

Anyone that considered him as "initially looking like a flop ", as you said, would have been very very knee jerk to formulate that opinion after a few games, mainly as a late sub!!

Wrongway1985

Urrrgggh 7million 10 million jaysus who knows the exact true price bar the accountants overseeing these deals it's the worst thing talking to fans who talk money as if it's like their own.

Makelele was at Chelsea before Mourinho arrived.

Yes so you are aware fans were pondering what have they spent whatever amount of money on this lad no one knew anything about to come on as a late sub.

Rayne Wooney

VVD is the best defender in the world, Klopp will improve him no end too

A bargain really

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Someone seems very upset with Liverpool and Klopp signing a player.

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

VVD will improve Liverpool but not half as much as a proper goalkeeper. The defensive issues won't go away till they get a proper goalkeeper. Ridiculous transfer fee aswell the sooner the PL bubble bursts the better.

monkey9

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Someone seems very upset with Liverpool and Klopp signing a player.

Why couldn't we just have saved money and signed Jonny Evans instead.

pjohnson

Carvahal sacked by Sheffield Wednesday gets the Swansea job

niallo27

Arsenal

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

VVD will improve Liverpool but not half as much as a proper goalkeeper. The defensive issues won't go away till they get a proper goalkeeper. Ridiculous transfer fee aswell the sooner the PL bubble bursts the better.

Will it burst though. With talks of facebook looking at the rights it could go even bigger. Everyone thought paying 10 million for an actor for 1 film was crazy 10 years ago but it's probably 15 to 20 now.

eh i dunno

pjohnson wrote: »

Carvahal sacked by Sheffield Wednesday gets the Swansea job

That's relegation confirmed

BullBlackNova

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

VVD will improve Liverpool but not half as much as a proper goalkeeper. The defensive issues won't go away till they get a proper goalkeeper. Ridiculous transfer fee aswell the sooner the PL bubble bursts the better.

Proper goalkeeper is a must and, I'd say, a more natural defensive midfield player. It wouldn't necessarily need to be someone in the Makelele or Matic role, but someone with a more natural affinity for safety, clever positioning, etc than Henderson and Can would result in far fewer issues I think.

pjohnson

eh i dunno wrote: »

That's relegation confirmed

Fairly daft appointment. Britton made clear he didn't want the gig so they musta been desperate to have someone before the transfer window opens!

5starpool

monkey9 wrote: »

Why couldn't we just have saved money and signed Jonny Evans instead.

We should learn our place and not spend money that would barely get into the top 3 of utds most expensive players.

The Talking Bread

Everton

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Urrrgggh 7million 10 million jaysus who knows the exact true price bar the accountants overseeing these deals it's the worst thing talking to fans who talk money as if it's like their own.

Makelele was at Chelsea before Mourinho arrived.

Yes so you are aware fans were pondering what have they spent whatever amount of money on this lad no one knew anything about to come on as a late sub.

Well if you are going to be going around talking about high and low prices and value for money etc, don't be expected not to be pulled up on it when you twist these money amounts to suit your agenda!

Makelele was bought when Roman took over Chelsea. That was the Summer he spent over circa £115 million. We were talking about club by club prices, if you followed the conversation.

blueser

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Proper goalkeeper is a must and, I'd say, a more natural defensive midfield player. It wouldn't necessarily need to be someone in the Makelele or Matic role, but someone with a more natural affinity for safety, clever positioning, etc than Henderson and Can would result in far fewer issues I think.

We'll sell them Joe Hart. And we won't charge them £75m either. Let's say, £20m?

Benimar

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Proper goalkeeper is a must and, I'd say, a more natural defensive midfield player. It wouldn't necessarily need to be someone in the Makelele or Matic role, but someone with a more natural affinity for safety, clever positioning, etc than Henderson and Can would result in far fewer issues I think.

blueser wrote: »

We'll sell them Joe Hart. And we won't charge them £75m either. Let's say, £20m?

Does not compute

blueser

Benimar wrote: »

Does not compute

Now now; be nice. It's the season of goodwill, remember?

Trigger

Liverpool

5starpool wrote: »

We should learn our place and not spend money that would barely get into the top 3 of utds most expensive players.

There is no problem with ye spending money at all, just every one of the arguments of Klopp doesn’t spend money, Pogba 90m yada yada, Lukaku 70m yada yada become invalid..

When United signed Pogba for 89m, klopp stated that if that became the norm he would quit football.. well that’s become the norm and it turns out he is just as hypocritical as the rest of them, and tbh I don’t blame him, you have to spend the money these days to progress..

The Talking Bread

Everton

Lets be honest, Pogba is (as well as a young and top player), a marketing dream.

He would be in the first team of any of the clubs (including City, where, at the moment, he would probably thrive more) so I never exasperated too much at the price of him, given how the market is today and the cash United have to throw out.

SuperTortoise

Watford

astradave wrote: »

There is no problem with ye spending money at all, just every one of the arguments of Klopp doesn’t spend money, Pogba 90m yada yada, Lukaku 70m yada yada become invalid..

When United signed Pogba for 89m, klopp stated that if that became the norm he would quit football.. well that’s become the norm and it turns out he is just as hypocritical as the rest of them, and tbh I don’t blame him, you have to spend the money these days to progress..

Some clubs have been spending that kind of money for years, Klopp makes one big buy and all of a sudden he's a hypocrite?

The Talking Bread

Everton

"‘If you bring one player in for £100m and he gets injured, then it all goes through the chimney,’

‘The day that this is football, I’m not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together ‘That is how everybody in football understands it. You always want to have the best, but building the group is necessary to be successful. ‘Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.’


Jurgen Klopp......................last year.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Lets be honest, Pogba is (as well as a young and top player), a marketing dream.

He would be in the first team of any of the clubs (including City, where, at the moment, he would probably thrive more) so I never exasperated too much at the price of him, given how the market is today and the cash United have to throw out.

I don't think he would get into City midfield ahead of Silva, De Bruyne or Ferndinho/Gundogen.

The Talking Bread

Everton

emmetkenny wrote: »

I don't think he would get into City midfield ahead of Silva, De Bruyne or Ferndinho/Gundogen.

I do. I think he would perform and stand out more if he were to break into that team. I don't know for a fact, I just believe he would. Impossible to gauge though. The City system would suit him more (probably)

TitianGerm

Liverpool

The Talking Bread wrote: »

"‘If you bring one player in for £100m and he gets injured, then it all goes through the chimney,’

‘The day that this is football, I’m not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together ‘That is how everybody in football understands it. You always want to have the best, but building the group is necessary to be successful. ‘Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players. I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.’


Jurgen Klopp......................last year.

Phew... its lucky he only spent £75m so.

Wrongway1985

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Well if you are going to be going around talking about high and low prices and value for money etc, don't be expected not to be pulled up on it when you twist these money amounts to suit your agenda!

Makelele was bought when Roman took over Chelsea. That was the Summer he spent over circa £115 million. We were talking about club by club prices, if you followed the conversation.

The conversation was mad money spent came a thing when Jose arrived in England!

Excuse me but Vidic was brought up as he was one of the signings in a year United were referenced to not spending as much in the preceding years my so called agenda was suggested by another poster but that was tripe what agenda? It's not my money if it was 24.6m or whatever it is; is exactly that so apologies if saying 20 odd million doesn't cut it for you.

Trigger

Liverpool

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Some clubs have been spending that kind of money for years, Klopp makes one big buy and all of a sudden he's a hypocrite?

How much did he spend on Keita? Don’t think many clubs have been dropping 75m on a CB for years he hence why it’s a record for defender..

Look I have no problem with him spending money as I have said, you need to spend the money if you want to progress and that’s the way the market is going, it’s more Klopp has also stated that even if he had that money he wouldn’t spend it on one player..

In short, yes he is a hypocrite

The Talking Bread

Everton

emmetkenny wrote: »

Phew... its lucky he only spent £75m so.

And that makes his comment any less hypocritical.

If you can't see the irony in forking out £75 million for a defender who has been plying his trade for a mid table PL club who has a relatively low appearance rate for his national team to forking out £90 million for a young player who had played and stood out in Champion League and European Championship finals I am at a loss as to what your quantification of irony and hypocrisy is!

VVD is and will be a top defender going forward and as a player is a brilliant asset to Liverpool but Klopp cannot moan and pontificate about transfer fees to the point he is stating he will leave the game if he is willing to fork out that amount the following season!!