General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

irishman86

Everton

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

There is the eye poking, Mourinho would be back to it I'm sure!

I'd love to see what would happen if he tried it with Conte :pac:

KERSPLAT!

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

There is the eye poking, Mourinho would be back to it I'm sure!

Poke in the eye and run away.

pjohnson

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Same as Hughes really...

Not quite, but Hughes I always thought was highly regarded by many for doing SFA.

Giggs has done nothing, and would be crazy. Would keoman fancy it in wonder? MoN would be a strange move, can't see the likes of Shaquri or Jesse buying into his 'style'.

Jesé has gone home

Berserker

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I hope MON takes it and fcuks off out of the Ireland job.

He'll take Stoke down. You should get McCarthy back. Best football I've seen you play was under him.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Berserker wrote: »

He'll take Stoke down. You should get McCarthy back. Best football I've seen you play was under him.

It helps having players such as Duff and Keane as opposed to McClean and Long you know.

Berserker

Rekop dog wrote: »

It helps having players such as Duff and Keane as opposed to McClean and Long you know.

Fair point but he'd get you playing some football.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Berserker wrote: »

Fair point but he'd get you playing some football.

Playing football and getting results are two very different things. Our current and previous manager have enough self awareness to realise our limitations and adapt the playing style accordingly.

Wheeliebin30

blueser wrote: »

I have no problem with being proved wrong (it's happened a few times on here!). In the last two weeks, yeah? Care to list them?

One more and my point is proved!!!

Johner

Lukker- wrote: »

Wtf has Giggs done to deserve a real job?

He seems to want a top job handed to him, he doesn't seem the brightest spark anyway, I don't think he'd be successful as a manager.

Fitz*

What exactly is Peter Beardsley accused of doing?! (or are we allowed say?)

Trigger

Liverpool

FitzShane wrote: »

What exactly is Peter Beardsley accused of doing?! (or are we allowed say?)

Racism and bullying u23 players,there is no court case AFAIK so should be allowed discuss, he has been suspended by the club at the mo. It supposedly goes back years. Accusations where brought against him in the early 2000’s too

Fitz*

astradave wrote: »

Racism and bullying u23 players,there is no court case AFAIK so should be allowed discuss, he has been suspended by the club at the mo. It supposedly goes back years. Accusations where brought against him in the early 2000’s too

I'm kind of confused.

Would the bullying constitute that he would only play players of certain ethnicity, or not play players of certain ethnicity? Racism is Racism, like verbal stuff?

Trigger

Liverpool

FitzShane wrote: »

I'm kind of confused.

Would the bullying constitute that he would only play players of certain ethnicity, or not play players of certain ethnicity? Racism is Racism, like verbal stuff?

The bullying was to do with how he would treat players who got call ups and the like, continuously putting the players down instead of trying to build up confidence

The racism was saying stuff like” your type should be good at this” to black players while in the gym n that

This article gives a bit of insight into it;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5251815/How-Peter-Beardsley-went-national-treasure-bully.html

Bret Hart

Liverpool

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jan/12/graham-rix-gwyn-williams-accused-racism-bullying-chelsea

Three former youth-team footballers at Chelsea have launched legal claims against the club after allegations that black players were subjected to horrific racism by their own coaches, including physical attacks and one instance when Graham Rix allegedly threw a cup of hot coffee in the face of one of their young prospects.

Rix, then the youth-team coach, is named along with Gwyn Williams, a prominent figure at Stamford Bridge for more than 25 years, in a case that contains such serious allegations Chelsea felt compelled to notify the Football Association and the police were brought in. The police decided after a seven-month investigation there was insufficient evidence to take any action but Chelsea have launched their own inquiry and the FA’s safeguarding team has so far interviewed two of the players. Chelsea have also offered in-house counselling to at least one of the players.

Rix and Williams have declined to comment after the Guardian informed them of the allegations but Chelsea have released a statement about a civil claim that was instigated in a letter to the club last February and, until now, has never been reported. “We take allegations of this nature extremely seriously,” Chelsea’s statement said. “We are absolutely determined to do the right thing, to fully support those affected, assist the authorities and support their investigations.”

Rix and Williams were key members of the backroom staff at a time when Glenn Hoddle, Ruud Gullit and Gianluca Vialli put in place a pre-Abramovich transformation to re-establish Chelsea as one of the more glamorous clubs in the country during the 1990s. Behind the scenes, however, evidence submitted to the FA and seen by the Guardian describes it as a “feral environment” for some of the black players in the youth team, one allegation being that they were treated “like a race of fecking dogs”.

Williams, 68, joined Chelsea in 1979 and was so close to Ken Bates that he later followed him to Leeds United as technical director. His period at Chelsea also included a spell as assistant manager to Claudio Ranieri and he was involved in the scouting department for José Mourinho before leaving the club in 2006. Williams, who is credited with discovering John Terry, has been accused in the past of making homophobic comments to Graeme Le Saux, the former Chelsea defender. “He would wander up to me before training and say: ‘Come on, poof, get your boots on,’” Le Saux wrote in his 2007 autobiography. Williams was dismissed by Leeds for gross misconduct in 2013 after emailing pornographic images of women to a number of colleagues, including a female receptionist.

Rix, 60, also has a chequered past after admitting, in March 1999, two charges of unlawful sex with a 15-year-old girl and indecent assault and being sentenced to 12 months in prison – serving six of them – as well as being put on the sex offenders’ register for 10 years. He was reinstated by Chelsea immediately after his release from Wandsworth prison and was the first-team coach when Vialli’s team won the FA Cup in 2000. Rix had previously been the assistant manager to Gullit and had a brief spell as caretaker manager after Vialli’s departure. After that, he managed Portsmouth, Oxford United and Hearts, as well as coaching at the Glenn Hoddle Academy in Spain and having a brief spell as manager of a club in Trinidad. His last managerial job in England was at AFC Portchester of the Wessex League Premier Division but he left the club last August.

Rix and his solicitor have not replied to a question from this newspaper about whether the FA temporarily suspended him after the allegations surfaced. The FA, asked the same question, has refused to comment and Paul Kelly, Portchester’s chairman, was due to speak to the Guardian before changing his mind after consulting the governing body. He had previously said the club was aware of the allegations and had followed all the procedures and guidelines set out by the FA.

The allegations from the player are also that Williams seemed to target him by “flicking my scrotum, flicking my penis, patting my bum” when he was still a minor. There is no suggestion Williams was getting sexual gratification but it was deemed serious enough to form part of the questioning when David Gregson, the FA’s safeguarding team leader, and Stefania Sacco, the safeguarding investigation manager, interviewed the player at Wembley on 23 October. Williams has been informed by the Guardian of the allegation but his solicitor, Eddie Johns, who also represents Rix, said neither of his clients would comment.

The player says he tried to ring Graham Kelly, the chief executive of the FA, years later to talk to him about what had allegedly happened but says he was not even put through. “The FA have failed me in the way of not protecting me as a minor,” he says. “I was failed in terms of there not being enough parameters for protection.”

Williams with Ruud Gullit, the then Chelsea manager, in 1997. ‘Ruud Gullit didn’t even know what was going on,’

According to that player’s account, seen by the Guardian, the racist abuse at Chelsea started after joining the club on schoolboy terms. “Even at 12, 13, the vernacular he [Williams] was using was: ‘You little black bastard, you coon, you little wog, how are you doing?’ I was a minor, I’d never heard those words being said to someone [in football]. He addressed me like that every time he saw me. He’d walk in [the dressing room] and go: ‘Hey, look at the fecking blackies here then. fecking rubber lips. Look at their fecking big noses. You black bastard. Been fecking robbing cars, have you?’ Let me tell you something – that is the most demoralising feeling you could ever have.”

In his interview with the FA’s safeguarding officials, the player adds: “I knew it was unacceptable but I was a minor. When you’re in that position, where this guy is a powerful guy at the club … I didn’t know how to handle it. I thought it would stop. I just didn’t know how to handle it and it was constant … the racial slurs of ‘coon’, ‘wog’, ‘monkey’ … ‘smoking wacky-backy’, which is marijuana, or ‘black bastard’, ‘fecking black bastard’, ‘mango-muncher’, ‘******’.

“Gwyn Williams has been at the club since 1979. He was powerful. He was Ken Bates’s mate. The guy [Williams] is a walking piece of dirt but he had power. It was said he had the biggest black book in London – he knew everyone. That guy was the governor. No matter what role he had, that man had power.”

When the player, then 15, was offered YTS terms Rix was youth-team manager, with Williams in the role of youth development officer. Hoddle, who had been the manager, left Chelsea to take the England job and Gullit took over at Stamford Bridge. “The amount of times I wanted to say something to Ruud Gullit,” the player says in his FA interview. “But Ruud Gullit didn’t even know what was going on. They didn’t do these things in front of Ruud.”

The player goes on to state in the same interview that when he asked Rix to stop “digging me out” he was struck on the back of the head and, later in a training session, kicked twice while sitting on the floor. Rix, he says, was singing the Billy Ocean song When the Going Gets Tough as the alleged assault took place.

In another training game, Rix joined in and, according to the player, hurled the ball into his face from a throw-in, leaving him on the floor with a bleeding nose.

The same player is said to have decided to stand up to Rix when, according to the evidence, the coach asked him whether he had “tried to feck any of our white girls” at the weekend. In the ensuing argument, Rix allegedly threw a cup of coffee in his face. “It burned my face,” the player says. “I went to grab him. I wanted to kill this guy. Then I had to think … black boy, six foot whatever, hits a white coach – he’s out of football. So I had to hold myself in and I went in to put water on my face because it was burning.”

In a follow-up legal letter to Chelsea, another alleged incident refers to the teenager asking Rix to stop making his sister feeling uncomfortable by making what were, in the player’s view, suggestive remarks. Rix allegedly went red with anger and replied: “I will do whatever I want and if I fancy a bit of black I guarantee her black arse will get it,” and then punched him in the scrotum. “Our client fell to the floor in excruciating pain and Rix walked off laughing while looking over his shoulder.”

The Guardian has offered Rix and Williams the opportunity since Tuesday to respond but they have repeatedly said through their solicitor they do not want to comment.

Such a delightful pair.

JPA

Horrific stuff and worse in the link.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Absolute scummy behaviour from both of them.

Rix should have had the book thrown at him for what he was up to with the underage girl too from nearly 2 decades back.

A peado racist bully. Classy guy.

Guy:Incognito

astradave wrote: »

The racism was saying stuff like” your type should be good at this” to black players while in the gym n that


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5251815/How-Peter-Beardsley-went-national-treasure-bully.html

Said once , during a team outing ( the way I'd read your sentence is that is was an on going thing) which he says wasn't a race thing but referring to the lads being young, fit footballers.

For clarification .

Everton

Paul Merson is just awful
Talking some ****e on SSN
A half hour il never get back

Berserker

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Paul Merson is just awful
Talking some ****e on SSN
A half hour il never get back

Find it really difficult to listen to him at times. He comes out with some awful nonsense. Don't get why Sky are still sticking what the same crew on Soccer Saturday. Would much prefer to see a panel of pros who have retired over the last few years. The likes of Danny Murphy, Danny Higginbotham, Kevin Kilbane, Joey Barton, Jermaine Jenas, Martin Keown would all be much better.

KERSPLAT!

Liverpool

Joey Barton, jaysus. I think some are there for entertainment more than their expert football knowledge. I enjoy it anyway, though I didn't see it today

Turtwig

Wait why are sky showing Newcastle Swansea ? Chelsea are playing Leicester.

Harry Palmr

Watfords season is in full collapse mode - even Soton have managed to score twice and they are the away side.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Mahrez playing so hard for a new club. I'm surprised there isn't a bidding war for him, he's phenomenal when motivated.

Rekop dog

Spurs

NBC commentator trying to claim that wasn't a second yellow lol. Could have been a straight red.

Mushy

Sounds like drama at vicarage road

Collie D

Everton

Rekop dog wrote: »

NBC commentator trying to claim that wasn't a second yellow lol. Could have been a straight red.

Who is that? I always thought it sounded like Glenn Hoddle but noticed the other guy calling him Tony today.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Watfords season is in full collapse mode - even Soton have managed to score twice and they are the away side.

Ft 2-2, so some spirit.

Chelsea on the other hand....Conte is off isn't he?

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Without being full of hyperbole, that was the worst performance ive seen from Chelsea in years.

Leicester deserved to win the game TBH.

ongarite

Handball goal Maradona would be proud of to level it for Watford.

Got to hand it to Moyes too. He has Arnautovic motivated and he is banging in the goals now.
Some turn around.

Turtwig

Whatever about moyes, Roy has really restored his cred.

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

This system conte is playing is very negative only ever 3 creative players on the pitch and one of them fabregas wouldn't be that high up the pitch.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

This system conte is playing is very negative only ever 3 creative players on the pitch and one of them fabregas wouldn't be that high up the pitch.

Its head scratching, ask any Chelsea fan and they dont want to play 352, its forcing Hazard and Morata on the pitch when theyre woefully out of form and tired and all the goals are on them.

Theyve 4 goals between them since mid November, which is a shambles.

It doesnt help either that in CM, Bakayoko or Drinkwater are rotating and are playing as bad as each other so the more free role in the CM, is being wasted on two average players. Barkley might walk into the team quicker than he expected TBH.

Turtwig

I can't help but wonder if that negativity is part of the prep for Barca. Iron out the creases before the real event for when Conte feels they actually need to execute it flawlessly?

pjohnson

Contes formation this year is awful. Dont think it suits his squad at all in the least.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Turtwig wrote: »

I can't help but wonder if that negativity is part of the prep for Barca. Iron out the creases before the real event for when Conte feels they actually need to execute it flawlessly?

Nah, we've been seriously below par for some weeks now.

Hes not rotated enough and hes effectively ran, 12 or 13 players into the ground over the festive period and its coming back to haunt us now.

Hazard was taken off after 60mins to boos, he wa the worst player on the park for either side but I'm not sure were the boos for his performance or the fact he was being brought off.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

pjohnson wrote: »

Contes formation this year is awful. Dont think it suits his squad at all in the least.

He doesnt trust any of the other CMs next to Kante it seems. Matic, for all his limitations last year for us, was perfect to sit in and rough it out.

Bakayoko is more box to box but doesnt have the discipline to do the doggy work in there and Drinkwater has been really average throughout his time so far.

Barkley joingin wont change much TBH, he'll be dropped in next to Kante and Cesc or Drinkwater.

pjohnson

GavRedKing wrote: »

He doesnt trust any of the other CMs next to Kante it seems. Matic, for all his limitations last year for us, was perfect to sit in and rough it out.

Bakayoko is more box to box but doesnt have the discipline to do the doggy work in there and Drinkwater has been really average throughout his time so far.

Barkley joingin wont change much TBH, he'll be dropped in next to Kante and Cesc or Drinkwater.

Theres no real shape to it.

DM Kante
CM Bakayoko
CM Fabregas
AM Hazard

That could work as a diamond midfield but then he has 3CB's and 2 WB's. The WB's are completely isolated as is Morata up top.

Ye looked much better when ye got Willian and Pedro either side of Morata today. Conte just seems to completly swamp the middle of the pitch. 7 players central and only two widemen.

ERG89

pjohnson wrote:

Contes formation this year is awful. Dont think it suits his squad at all in the least.

Players don't care. Conte is probably gone in the summer; for no apparent reason & the players know that.
Signing players like Barkley, Drinkwater & Rudiger isn't going to push you on. Morata has gone off the boil too in recent weeks.

Loafing Oaf

God the gremlins are having a field day with Soccer Saturday!:P

Rekop dog

Spurs

Spurs have really struggled in games like West Brom and Ham this season when faced with an ultra defensive formation.

Feel an early goal is vital for them or the same frustration will kick in.

Rekop dog

Spurs

New Turk up top for Everton has been a handful already.

Lukker-

ERG89 wrote: »

Players don't care. Conte is probably gone in the summer; for no apparent reason & the players know that.
Signing players like Barkley, Drinkwater & Rudiger isn't going to push you on. Morata has gone off the boil too in recent weeks.

Rudiger has been an excellent signing IMO. Barkley is up in the air, but yeah there was no signing's that were statements, it was really maintenance at best, and downgrades in some situations.

Rumpy Pumpy

Moyes looked about 20 years younger in the post match interview than he did when he took over.

The Big Sam honeymoon bubble has well and truly burst.

davycc

Man City

3 nil and Kane beat sheringhams record of pl spur's

ERG89

Lukker- wrote:

Rudiger has been an excellent signing IMO. Barkley is up in the air, but yeah there was no signing's that were statements, it was really maintenance at best, and downgrades in some situations.

Honestly if Chelsea want to improve like Conte wanted them to you need to be doing better then those. But he seems to have no say in what is being done.
If criticise Everton but Holgate & Kenny for the 3rd was more insulting than anything I could say.

Turtyturd

The Allardyce effect gone already?

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

The Allardyce effect gone already?

4 losses in a row and no wins in 6.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Played Chelsea, United Liverpool and Spurs recently, much easier run coming up for them.