General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

Loafing Oaf

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Did I miss soenthing. Is he not part of the fab four that before tonihht were free scoring and the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Yes, free scoring against Arsenal one week, draw a blank against Huddersfield the next. Will never win the league that way...

Jayop

Everton

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yes, free scoring against Arsenal one week, draw a blank against Huddersfield the next. Will never win the league that way...

About as consistent as when I make a packet of powdered soup.

smileyj1987

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Did I miss soenthing. Is he not part of the fab four that before tonihht were free scoring and the greatest thing since sliced bread.

For a striker that you think you think is poor he has 17 goals in 32 games wouldn't call that a bad return at all.

Rekop dog

Spurs

I'd say he's overtaken Jesus in contention for starting place in Brazil's X1 for the world cup based on this seasons form.

Loafing Oaf

davycc wrote: »

Rickey Lambert must be awaiting the phone call from Klopp before the window slams shot again

I've just remembered they already have Danny Ings. Problem solved.

the whole year inn

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

I'd say he's overtaken Jesus in contention for starting place in Brazil's X1 for the world cup based on this seasons form.

Id would seriously doubt it, even at Jesus at 20 I'd sooner play him, Jesus is a natural striker Firmino is not.

Rekop dog

Spurs

the whole year inn wrote: »

Id would seriously doubt it, even at Jesus at 20 I'd sooner play him, Jesus is a natural striker Firmino is not.

Yeah but they obviously have Neymar up there who scores lots and plenty of goals from midfield from likes of Coutinho and Paulinho too. Think in Firmino's current form he offers more than Jesus who may find it hard to get back in City side after return from injury.

Turtwig

City are way more coherent with Jesus in the side. His movement is sublime.

Loafing Oaf

irishman86 wrote: »

So even less defence :pac:
It might just be crazy enough to work

Play two proper DMs behind them. No more gung ho than most other top teams IMO...

the whole year inn

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

Yeah but they obviously have Neymar up there who scores lots and plenty of goals from midfield from likes of Coutinho and Paulinho too. Think in Firmino's current form he offers more than Jesus who may find it hard to get back in City side after return from injury.

Where would you play Firmino out-of interest in that squad.

Utopia Parkway

Donnielighto

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

How many of them are confirmed?

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Hazard is Chelseas highest earner on 200k, AFAIK.

Cesc is meant to be on 175K.

Courtis and Hazard will be getting bumps soon, thats assuming they sign contract extensions.
Courtois will probably double his wages to 200k and Hazard will push towards 300k.

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

Biggest squad and biggest wage bill yet their has been a bit of a narrative that Jose didn't stand a chance up against pep this year due to resources. I've no problem with utd splashing the cash they have earned it and Sanchez is a great purchase . I'd say their best signing since fergie stepped down but they are in no way financial underdogs.

Trigger

Liverpool

Footyleaks confirmed Pogbas salary as 201k

Zlatan took a 220k hit from his last contract to re-sign which is 140k

So that’s 2 wrong already

Loafing Oaf

According to this Sanchez is on 350K
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5301837/Alexis-Sanchez-goes-Premier-League-wage-table.html

TitianGerm

Liverpool

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Was Boards a source for some of those wages

Harry Palmr

Money money money

Deloitte Football Money League


2016-17 revenue in £m (v 2015-16 revenue)

1) Manchester United 581.2 (515.3)
2) Real Madrid 579.7 (463.8)
3) Barcelona 557.1 (463.8)
4) Bayern Munich 505.1 (442.7)
5) Manchester City 453.5 (392.6)
6) Arsenal 419 (350.4)
7) PSG 417.8 (389.6)
8) Chelsea 367.8 (334.6)
9) Liverpool 364.5 (302)
10) Juventus 348.6 (253.5)
11) Tottenham 305.6 (209.2)
12) Borussia Dortmund 285.8 (212.3)
13) Atlético Madrid 234.2 (171)~
14) Leicester City 233 (128.7)
15) Internazionale 225.2 (134)
16) Schalke 197.8 (167.9)
17) West Ham 183.3 (143.8)
18) Southampton 182.3 (124.3)
19) Napoli 172.5 (107.8)
20) Everton 171.2 (121.5)

TitianGerm

Liverpool

astradave wrote: »

Footyleaks confirmed Pogbas salary as 201k

Zlatan took a 220k hit from his last contract to re-sign which is 140k

So that’s 2 wrong already

So Zlatan was on £360k last season? I thought it was much less.

pjohnson

Didn't Sanchez get a 150k increase over 4 hours according to one paper?

pjohnson

Everton

pjohnson wrote: »

Didn't Sanchez get a 150k increase over 4 hours according to one paper?

It's been indicated direct from Man Utd to the Independent that he's earning approx 300-350k a week

To get the best you have to pay the best

I do enjoy the saltiness which typically adds on another 150k on to that

Jayop

Everton

pjohnson wrote: »

Didn't Sanchez get a 150k increase over 4 hours according to one paper?

Yep, The Mail had a tweet saying Pogba was complaining and he wanted his wages bumped to match Sanchez on 450k p/w then a few hours later the same paper tweeted something about Sanchez being on 600k p/w. They're all bull****ters and I don't think anyone really believes them, but it's seemingly something that oppos can cry about so let them off.

Rekop dog

Spurs

the whole year inn wrote: »

Where would you play Firmino out-of interest in that squad.

I literally said ahead of Jesus. It was either or for most of qualifying but Roberto is the more complete of the two right now so I'd opt for him.

citytillidie

Truth is no body on boards or in the papers know what a player is earning unless they either see a private contract or the player misplaces their pay slip like John Arne Riise did once and it gets posted online.

ERG89

pjohnson wrote: »

Didn't Sanchez get a 150k increase over 4 hours according to one paper?

Nice work if you can get it

Jayop

Everton

citytillidie wrote: »

Truth is no body on boards or in the papers know what a player is earning unless they either see a private contract or the player misplaces their pay slip like John Arne Riise did once and it gets posted online.

I think the footy leaks are pretty reliable by all accounts but with them you tend to get some information on some players several years later.

United payroll is 45% of turnover, that we know. I guess you could work from there to see what kind of figures the squad could be on in averages if you had the desire to do so.

Loafing Oaf

'based on multiple sources,' and here's a typical example:

irishman86

Everton

the whole year inn wrote: »

Id would seriously doubt it, even at Jesus at 20 I'd sooner play him, Jesus is a natural striker Firmino is not.

I really dont get this natural striker nonsense, surely the player who makes the team better is the way to go rather than stick to stone age ideas of football

irelandrover

Everton

Why do people really care what their club supposedly pay players.

Why would United fans care if they pay Sanchez 600k a week? If he helps win a league thats surely all that matters for fans.

irishman86

Everton

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Play two proper DMs behind them. No more gung ho than most other top teams IMO...

But they dont have two proper dm's
So just to accomdate a new striker they should go and sign two new players

Loafing Oaf

irishman86 wrote: »

But they dont have two proper dm's
So just to accomdate a new striker they should go and sign two new players

Well sign one Kante-type player and play Henderson or Can alongside him

the whole year inn

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

I literally said ahead of Jesus. It was either or for most of qualifying but Roberto is the more complete of the two right now so I'd opt for him.

What does that mean,you left some of the sentence?

Rekop dog

Spurs

the whole year inn wrote: »

What does that mean,you left some of the sentence?

As in they either started Jesus or Firmino in that position in the last first years of qualifying, so it's a place very much in the balance between the two of them, unlike say a Neymar or Coutinho who have their positions in the side pretty much locked down.

the whole year inn

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

As in they either started Jesus or Firmino in that position in the last first years of qualifying, so it's a place very much in the balance between the two of them, unlike say a Neymar or Coutinho who have their positions in the side pretty much locked down.

Well not really,it seems to me that Jesus get the place pretty much locked down unless he was injured but it is a direct sub for Jesus to Firmino .This is just looking over the last Brazil World Cup qualifying games and shows he has the position locked down with 7 goals and Brazil top goal scorer for that period of games and Firmino with one.
I couldn't find the exact minutes they played in that maybe you could find out but to me anyway it seems its Jesus spot with Firmino with a late sub.

Rekop dog

Spurs

the whole year inn wrote: »

Well not really,it seems to me that Jesus get the place pretty much locked down unless he was injured but it is a direct sub for Jesus to Firmino .This is just looking over the last Brazil World Cup qualifying games and shows he has the position locked down with 7 goals and Brazil top goal scorer for that period of games and Firmino with one.
I couldn't find the exact minutes they played in that maybe you could find out but to me anyway it seems its Jesus spot with Firmino with a late sub.

I know Jesus has played more, but Firmino has started games and played plenty of minutes for them. My initial point you quoted i said "I think Firmino has overtaken Jesus now", so I know Jesus was ahead in the reckoning but I now think based on form since Brazil's last game, which is obviously hugely important in a world cup year, that Firmino has outperformed him.

We'll see obviously, if Jesus can't displace Kun much at City for the rest of the season he's in trouble imo.

the whole year inn

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

I know Jesus has played more, but Firmino has started games and played plenty of minutes for them. My initial point you quoted i said "I think Firmino has overtaken Jesus now", so I know Jesus was ahead in the reckoning but I now think based on form since Brazil's last game, which is obviously hugely important in a world cup year, that Firmino has outperformed him.

We'll see obviously, if Jesus can't displace Kun much at City for the rest of the season he's in trouble imo.

What metrics are you using to gauge that Firmino is out performing Jesus?

Loafing Oaf

Rekop dog wrote: »

I'd say he's overtaken Jesus

Oo don't say that around all those evangelicals in Brazil.:eek:

Jayop

Everton

the whole year inn wrote: »

What metrics are you using to gauge that Firmino is out performing Jesus?

In fairness if you're using actual metrics like stats (largely rubbish but anyway) he does rate quite favourably to Jesus in most attacking stats per 90.

Firmino is higher on forwards passes, key passes, chances created, and assists. Jesus has a higher total attack score and goals scored.

Again all per 90 and I don't agree that Firmino has been better but using stats he does rate well.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2017/2018/roberto_firmino/819/819/2021/0/p|premier_league/2017/2018/gabriel_jesus/819/819/18137/0/p#attack_score/total_forward_passes/key_passes/chances_created/assists/goals_scored#90

Rekop dog

Spurs

the whole year inn wrote: »

What metrics are you using to gauge that Firmino is out performing Jesus?

Better goals to game ratio in all comps this season. Better assists to game ratio. More key passes. And he doesn't have nearly as good a supply line from midfield as Jesus does which makes it more impressive. Also has more tackles per game, more interceptions per game, so doing more without the ball too. No injury worries really. And just basically has looked better from a i watch a lot of games and he's been better perspective.

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

Apart from Kane I can't think of any striker that has had a better season than firmino so far.

Jayop

Everton

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Apart from Kane I can't think of any striker that has had a better season than firmino so far.

Unless you're going by goals scored which is kinda key to a striker then Aguero has 6 more than him and Lukaku has 1 more than him. Rooney and Vardy level with him despite playing for weaker sides.

Not a lot between any of them tbh.

the whole year inn

Liverpool

Jayop wrote: »

Unless you're going by goals scored which is kinda key to a striker then Aguero has 6 more than him and Lukaku has 1 more than him. Rooney and Vardy level with him despite playing for weaker sides.

Not a lot between any of them tbh.

Well if you compare Jesus with Firmino its 1007 minutes played 8 goals 4 assists to Firminos 1685 minutes 10 goals and 6 that is 7.5 games more played.
As a striker goes I cant see why anyone would think Firmino would take Jesus spot at Brazil .
Suppose we will have to wait and see but id be pretty confident that Jesus is going to be leading the line and Firmino bench warming and be getting minutes as a sub.

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

Jayop wrote: »

Unless you're going by goals scored which is kinda key to a striker then Aguero has 6 more than him and Lukaku has 1 more than him. Rooney and Vardy level with him despite playing for weaker sides.

Not a lot between any of them tbh.

I'm not going by goals scored i think there is more to a strikers game than that. Rooney has been very poor for Everton this year and should be nowhere near the discussion. Everton have had 3 managers this year and all 3 have dropped him as far as I recall . Aguero who is the best striker in the league IMO has been off the boil a bit this year.

Rekop dog

Spurs

the whole year inn wrote: »

Well if you compare Jesus with Firmino its 1007 minutes played 8 goals 4 assists to Firminos 1685 minutes 10 goals and 6 that is 7.5 games more played.
As a striker goes I cant see why anyone would think Firmino would take Jesus spot at Brazil .
Suppose we will have to wait and see but id be pretty confident that Jesus is going to be leading the line and Firmino bench warming and be getting minutes as a sub.

My point was better in all comps. You can pick and choose the stats you want to suit you I guess and conveniently dismiss Firmino is the second top scorer and second top assister in Europe's elite competition also.

And Jesus has 2 assists not 4 so stop doubling his total.

Jayop

Everton

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I'm not going by goals scored i think there is more to a strikers game than that. Rooney has been very poor for Everton this year and should be nowhere near the discussion. Everton have had 3 managers this year and all 3 have dropped him as far as I recall . Aguero who is the best striker in the league IMO has been off the boil a bit this year.

Agree with you about Rooney although his goal scoring has been impressive. He'll be dropped/rotated now for the rest of his career as you'd expect.

Disagree with you about the best striker in the League. For me it's now Kane by a distance. Aguero has been the best for quite a while but Kane is better now and imo will be better than Aguero ever was over the course of his career.

Jayop

Everton

Just read a funny one that strikes me as a huge number but maybe I'm wrong. Lukaku has hit the woodwork 19 times in his premier league career. Anyone think of someone with a higher number?

edit: Rooney has 29 but with many more games.

ERG89

Jayop wrote:

Just read a funny one that strikes me as a huge number but maybe I'm wrong. Lukaku has hit the woodwork 19 times in his premier league career. Anyone think of someone with a higher number?

Different league but Messi has hit the woodwork 15 times this season so far which is crazy

Iused2likebusts

Liverpool

Jayop wrote: »

Agree with you about Rooney although his goal scoring has been impressive. He'll be dropped/rotated now for the rest of his career as you'd expect.

Disagree with you about the best striker in the League. For me it's now Kane by a distance. Aguero has been the best for quite a while but Kane is better now and imo will be better than Aguero ever was over the course of his career.

Although I do have to say that goal Rooney got from the halfway line is as good a goal as I've seen all season. He just can't get around the pitch anymore which is sad to see from someone still relatively young.

the whole year inn

Liverpool

Rekop dog wrote: »

My point was better in all comps. You can pick and choose the stats you want to suit you I guess and conveniently dismiss Firmino is the second top scorer and second top assister in Europe's elite competition also.

And Jesus has 2 assists not 4 so stop doubling his total.

I was just going by the Official Fantasy Football stats which are up to date but they do give an assist if it goes for an own goal and Jesus was the last one to tocuh it before the og
I only use the PL because both play against the same teams while the CL and other comps high scores can be racked up against some far weaker teams.
Either way I stand by what I said Jesus would have easo;y out scored Firmino in the near 8 games he missed if you dont think that fair enough we have to wait and watch the World Cup and see who plays and scores.Fancy a wager?

the whole year inn

Liverpool

Jayop wrote: »

Agree with you about Rooney although his goal scoring has been impressive. He'll be dropped/rotated now for the rest of his career as you'd expect.

Disagree with you about the best striker in the League. For me it's now Kane by a distance. Aguero has been the best for quite a while but Kane is better now and imo will be better than Aguero ever was over the course of his career.

Yea the way its going it looks very much like that.