General Premier League Thread - 2017/2018

ERG89

BullBlackNova wrote:

A keeper to replace Navas - Donnarumma, de Gea, Courtois, Lloris, Kepa; an attacking winger/number 10 to replace/add to Bale/Ronaldo - Hazard, Salah, etc; and a striker - Kane, Aguero.

They could go for Courtois to try take advantage of his contract situation & I expect Neymar to go there in the next 18 months.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

ERG89 wrote: »

They could go for Courtois to try take advantage of his contract situation & I expect Neymar to go there in the next 18 months.

They really wanted De Gea a few years ago though. I wonder would they go back in for him?

BullBlackNova

ERG89 wrote: »

They could go for Courtois to try take advantage of his contract situation & I expect Neymar to go there in the next 18 months.

I expect Kepa to move there in the summer. Apparently a January bid was put on hold because of a metatarsal injury but he would be significantly cheaper than the other options they have, freeing up funds for Kane or Hazard, etc.

€20 million fees were mentioned earlier this month and, while Madrid's transfer strategy has changed in the last few seasons, all the connected experts are expecting at least one statement signing this summer. For Real, a keeper or CB don't tend to tick that box. Instead, they could throw huge money at Verrati, Hazard, Kane, Salah, Aguero and so on.

Judging by this January window - Aubameyang to Arsenal, City apparently breaking their record twice, Liverpool shattering the record for a CB, United signing Sanchez and Chelsea chasing Carroll, Barnes, Crouch, Giroud - the summer could be nuts.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Kepa signed a contract extension with a higher release clause, mean to be €80m, so if they do go after him, tis going to cost them.

BullBlackNova

GavRedKing wrote: »

Kepa signed a contract extension with a higher release clause, mean to be €80m, so if they do go after him, tis going to cost them.

Ah! I didn't know that.

Well, back to the drawing board for Perez then.

theoneeyedman

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Money talks. A huge record breaking fee might persuade him!

Also, what if Kane doesn't want to go abroad? Maybe he does, I've no idea.

I can't see Kane going to Real.

He looks and acts like a homebird. He's settled at Spurs on a low paying contract (relatively speaking of course). Given his performances over the last 3 years or so, he should command a wage of at least 10m/pa...that he probably earns half that points to a guy that is happy enough to be well paid, and doesn't want to rock the boat too much.
To be a success at the likes of Real, skill and ability is only part of the deal. You have to have big balls, and be a cocky bastard, especially if you go there for big money. Kane hasn't this type of personality, and if he goes there he will be swallowed up IMHO.
If he does decide to look for his market worth/get pissed off at spurs, I think he'll stay in England, and that's effectively a market of 2 teams at the moment, unless Roman decides to wash some of his dirty money and keep him on London.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I can't see Kane going to Real.

He looks and acts like a homebird. He's settled at Spurs on a low paying contract (relatively speaking of course). Given his performances over the last 3 years or so, he should command a wage of at least 10m/pa...that he probably earns half that points to a guy that is happy enough to be well paid, and doesn't want to rock the boat too much.
To be a success at the likes of Real, skill and ability is only part of the deal. You have to have big balls, and be a cocky bastard, especially if you go there for big money. Kane hasn't this type of personality, and if he goes there he will be swallowed up IMHO.
If he does decide to look for his market worth/get pissed off at spurs, I think he'll stay in England, and that's effectively a market of 2 teams at the moment, unless Roman decides to wash some of his dirty money and keep him on London.

He might have thought that Spurs would win a league/trophy in the last few seasons and that's why he stayed but it's not looking likely that they will in the coming years because City and United are building very strong squads.

If United went in with a huge bid (£200m) and matched Sanchez wages he very well could move.

Johner

I get the impression Kane would love to have a crack at Shearers record. City to replace Aguero? Now there’s a scary thought.

Johner

I get the impression Kane would love to have a crack at Shearers record. City to replace Aguero? Now there’s a scary thought.

Lukker-

theoneeyedman wrote: »

I can't see Kane going to Real.

He looks and acts like a homebird. He's settled at Spurs on a low paying contract (relatively speaking of course). Given his performances over the last 3 years or so, he should command a wage of at least 10m/pa...that he probably earns half that points to a guy that is happy enough to be well paid, and doesn't want to rock the boat too much.
To be a success at the likes of Real, skill and ability is only part of the deal. You have to have big balls, and be a cocky bastard, especially if you go there for big money. Kane hasn't this type of personality, and if he goes there he will be swallowed up IMHO.
If he does decide to look for his market worth/get pissed off at spurs, I think he'll stay in England, and that's effectively a market of 2 teams at the moment, unless Roman decides to wash some of his dirty money and keep him on London.

You don't reach the levels of Harry Kane without having some ridiculous self belief. He has everything it takes to make it at Real. Whether he ends up there is another matter. Bale is pretty much exactly how you describe Kane, he would be flourishing there if it wasn't for injury.

You are also forgetting the Levy factor. He'd sell for 25% less abroad than he would to United/City/Chelsea..

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Johner wrote: »

I get the impression Kane would love to have a crack at Shearers record. City to replace Aguero? Now there’s a scary thought.

I think only City and Utd could afford him in England.

Pool dont have that money.
They wont sell to Arsenal
They're more likely to sell to Chelsea than Arsenal but its still close to zero chance and we cant afford him.

That leaves either Manchester club right now, his ability and style of play would be better suited to City.

Be interesting to see if he moves in the summer but if I was guessing, he'll move in summer 2019 and give it one more year at Spurs, to play in the new stadium.

Everton

Why does anyone think Utd will go for Kane after investing in a 24 year old Lukaku last Summer?
And why Couldn't Chelsea afford him? Surely they would technically need him the most?

Lukker-

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Why does anyone think Utd will go for Kane after investing in a 24 year old Lukaku last Summer?
And why Couldn't Chelsea afford him? Surely they would technically need him the most?

I mean he's likely to cost £200m at least. I'd like to think we an afford him, but even if Roman decides to loosen our purse strings, that is essentially our entire FFP transfer budget for the year gone in one window.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Why does anyone think Utd will go for Kane after investing in a 24 year old Lukaku last Summer?
And why Couldn't Chelsea afford him? Surely they would technically need him the most?

If United bought Kane you'd win the league (or be very very close). It's as simple as Lukaku is good, Kane is better.

Skylinehead

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Why does anyone think Utd will go for Kane after investing in a 24 year old Lukaku last Summer?
And why Couldn't Chelsea afford him? Surely they would technically need him the most?

There is no way Daniel Levy will ever sell Kane to Chelsea. Remember Modric?

emmetkenny

Everton

emmetkenny wrote: »

If United bought Kane you'd win the league (or be very very close). It's as simple as Lukaku is good, Kane is better.

So we simply ship Lukaku out after one season because Kane is currently better than him?

Just because Kane has progressed faster than Lukaku doesn't mean he's not going to get better.
Utd have invested in Lukaku long term.

Unless you are talking about signing Kane alongside Lukaku, which also doesn't make sense. I'd imagine you play one or the other and not both.

Trigger

Liverpool

emmetkenny wrote: »

If United bought Kane you'd win the league (or be very very close). It's as simple as Lukaku is good, Kane is better.

I agree.. United should put in a 200m bid for Kane

Tonight

At 7pm

Maybe throw in a bid for Eriksen at the same time

Lukker-

Skylinehead wrote: »

There is no way Daniel Levy will ever sell Kane to Chelsea. Remember Modric?

Exactly, he sold him on for cheaper to RM the following summer. Modric got branded a rat for a good chunk of that season too by his own fans. Looking back, what a difference he would have made to that Chelsea team.

Skylinehead

Everton

Skylinehead wrote: »

There is no way Daniel Levy will ever sell Kane to Chelsea. Remember Modric?

Ok fair enough, I was more coming from the perspective of what team actually need him the most.
Just Kane to Utd doesn't make any sense to me. (Again nothing got to do with the players quality, he's class and we all know this)

As for City, sure they are just going to buy everyone anyway.

Lukker-

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So we simply ship Lukaku out after one season because Kane is currently better than him?

Just because Kane has progressed faster than Lukaku doesn't mean he's not going to get better.
Utd have invested in Lukaku long term.

Unless you are talking about signing him alongside him, which also doesn't make sense. I'd imagine you play one or the other and not both.

Lukaku won't come close to the level Kane is currently at. (he's not even at his peak either, FYI I don't think any other PL CF will either)

He is head and shoulders the best centre forward in the league now, and possibly the world.

But United ain't crying out for another top level striker yet anyway, especially after signing Sanchez, who's best position is prob cf anyways

Lukker-

Everton

Lukker- wrote: »

Lukaku won't come close to the level Kane is currently at. (he's not even at his peak either, FYI I don't think any other PL CF will either)

He is head and shoulders the best centre forward in the league now, and possibly the world.

This wasn't my point. You might need to re-read it.
Lukaku will get better. And will be a top striker. That's all I'm saying.
Nothing got to do with Kane and the level he's at.

Lukker-

M!Ck^ wrote: »

This wasn't my point. You might need to re-read it.
Lukaku will get better. And will be a top striker. That's all I'm saying.
Nothing got to do with Kane and the level he's at.

Point was addressed in my edit

Jayop

Everton

I gotta agree that while I rate lukaku very highly Kane is another level. If he was to become available regardless of having lukaku I'd still love to buy him.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So we simply ship Lukaku out after one season because Kane is currently better than him?

Just because Kane has progressed faster than Lukaku doesn't mean he's not going to get better.
Utd have invested in Lukaku long term.

Unless you are talking about signing Kane alongside Lukaku, which also doesn't make sense. I'd imagine you play one or the other and not both.

Who said anything about shipping him out? If you had both they would get plenty of game time and allow Jose to rotate the front man.

With both you'd be favourites for the League and have a great chance at the CL and other cups.

Lukker-

Honestly I'm not sure how Lukaku would react to United signing Kane. He's probably matured since his time at Chelsea, but I still think we might see a strop of some sort.

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

Isn't Kane Originally an Arsenal lad maybe he could head there if he wants to stay in London.

TitianGerm

Liverpool

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Isn't Kane Originally an Arsenal lad maybe he could head there if he wants to stay in London.

Few Spurs fans in here were saying he's Spurs through and through. They forgot he went to the Arsenal academy though.

Loafing Oaf

Lukker- wrote: »

Honestly I'm not sure how Lukaku would react to United signing Kane. He's probably matured since his time at Chelsea, but I still think we might see a strop of some sort.

Be similar to Cech's reaction when Chelsea signed Courtois I'd say...

Jayop

Everton

Lukker- wrote: »

Honestly I'm not sure how Lukaku would react to United signing Kane. He's probably matured since his time at Chelsea, but I still think we might see a strop of some sort.

Wouldn't be overly concerned by his reaction tbh.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Isn't Kane Originally an Arsenal lad maybe he could head there if he wants to stay in London.

200m?? And that's just one reason why it would never happen unless he ran his contract.

Lukker-

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Be similar to Cech's reaction when Chelsea signed Courtois I'd say...

It'd be understandable tbf, the prospect of Kane coming to any club would worry the current first choice

Loafing Oaf

Lukker- wrote: »

It'd be understandable tbf, the prospect of Kane coming to any club would worry the current first choice

And while centre-forward is not quite as specialised a position as goalkeeper, I don't think Kane or Lukaku would be interested in playing anywhere else.

Minderbinder

Johner wrote: »

I get the impression Kane would love to have a crack at Shearers record. City to replace Aguero? Now there’s a scary thought.

If Aguero stubs a toe tonight they’ll have no choice but to make an offer, as they’ll need a striker for the weekend.

theoneeyedman

BTW, there is no guarantee at all that lukaku will improve further 'because he's young'.
He's 25 in May, and relies on power, strength, and pace more than touch, finesse, or skill. He's been playing at a very high competitive level for a number of years, so who knows, he may already have reached his peak.
I'm not dissing the lad, he's no Messi but he's still a fine player, and likely will be for a number of years barring injury, but it's not correct to assume just cause he's 24/25 that he will improve in the coming years.

GavRedKing

Liverpool

If Kane is available, theres only about 8 clubs in the world that could afford him and that list halves when you take out the number of clubs that Spurs would sell to.

Minderbinder

theoneeyedman wrote: »

BTW, there is no guarantee at all that lukaku will improve further 'because he's young'.
He's 25 in May, and relies on power, strength, and pace more than touch, finesse, or skill. He's been playing at a very high competitive level for a number of years, so who knows, he may already have reached his peak.
I'm not dissing the lad, he's no Messi but he's still a fine player, and likely will be for a number of years barring injury, but it's not correct to assume just cause he's 24/25 that he will improve in the coming years.

This was my concern when we signed him. I still think he’ll have better seasons at United than this one when the pressure of his transfer is eased but I don’t see him at United in 5 years.

Urindanger

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Why does anyone think Utd will go for Kane after investing in a 24 year old Lukaku last Summer?
And why Couldn't Chelsea afford him? Surely they would technically need him the most?

Well you say that but the same is true for Chelsea. Why buy Kane after investing in 25 y/o Morata last summer.

For all the criticism he's got, especially after the Arsenal draw where it's been made out he's Ali Dia, he's only scored one goal less than Lukaku in the league.

Morata has a while to go, and has had some brain dead moments but the potential is there for him as much as it's there for Lukaku.

Lukker-

With Morata it seems very much a confidence thing. He had less pressure in Madrid. It took him a year to settle in Turin, so we may not see his best until next season. He may not have the mentality to be a main man at a big club, but I guess we'll find out.

Rekop dog

Spurs

Southampton's loyalty to Shane Long is hilarious. Sign a new striker for 20 odd million but bench him and have the prolific Irishman lead the line on his own.

Big game though, Brighton could leave them in real trouble if they get an away win.

~Rebel~

theoneeyedman wrote: »

BTW, there is no guarantee at all that lukaku will improve further 'because he's young'.
He's 25 in May, and relies on power, strength, and pace more than touch, finesse, or skill. He's been playing at a very high competitive level for a number of years, so who knows, he may already have reached his peak.
I'm not dissing the lad, he's no Messi but he's still a fine player, and likely will be for a number of years barring injury, but it's not correct to assume just cause he's 24/25 that he will improve in the coming years.

As far as age/development is concerned, he's probably better compared with a player like Rooney, in that they both started their senior careers at very young ages. He's more like a 27 year old now in the usual development arc.

hufpc8w3adnk65

My buddy text me there said Conté hinted at quitting there in his interview pre match

Agent Coulson

Liverpool

So are Arsenal setting for Tuchel to take over from Arsene now I wonder with the behind the scene changes and on field changes.

Skylinehead

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So are Arsenal setting for Tuchel to take over from Arsene now I wonder with the behind the scene changes and on field changes.

The behind the scene changes are exactly why Tuchel won't be joining.

ERG89

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So are Arsenal setting for Tuchel to take over from Arsene now I wonder with the behind the scene changes and on field changes.

Doubt it as their head of recruitment left Dortmund because of Tuchel. Good recap here

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/borussia-dortmund/story/3278159/thomas-tuchel-fall-out-behind-borussia-dortmund-exit-arsenals-sven-mislintat

Tuchel will likely join Bayern who have no real alternative to Heynckes who wants to go back into retirement. Nagelsmann hasn't been too impressive this term & probably lacks the experience for that job too.

Urindanger

Theo Walcott with a first half brace. Have to feel happy for him.

City up a goal, and David Silva goes off with what looks like an abdominal injury, was playing with a bandage. There's another one to the injury pile. City might get out the chequebook yet.

Harry Palmr

Chelsea down against Bournemouth.

Chelsea down down against Bournemouth

Newcastle 1-0

Harry Palmr

Bloody hell! Chelsea in meltdown

LuckyGent88

Bye bye Conte??

GavRedKing

Liverpool

Gary Cahill came on and has been at fault for every goal.

Take nothing away from Bournemouth, theyre good for their lead tonight.

Chelsea have been pathetic and to have no CF is beyond insane.

sligeach

3-0 Bournemouth against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. Who would have predicted that?

Urindanger

sligeach wrote: »

3-0 Bournemouth against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. Who would have predicted that?

Don't worry you'll have some fella on Twitter saying he threw a 5er on it "for interest" after the game.