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Apprenticeships mechanics

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    #62
    knipex
    Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    MKelly202 wrote: »
    But thats just it, Trying to get employed and registered so far no one is looking for an apprentice, Or at least who ive went to.

    Would you be interested in any other apprenticeship ?

    Toolmaiking.
    Mechanic
    Electrical
    metal Fabrication
    Fitter turner
    Aircraft
    Brickie
    Carpenter
    Electrician


    Atlantic Aviation are looking for aircraft apprentices an have been for a while.
    I know a couple of refrigeration companies who have advertised for apprentices and a couple of electrical contractors..


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    #63
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    Autochange wrote: »
    To the guy saying it's not difficult to to become a mechanic ie pass the exams in a way you are correct. You listen somewhat in class then write what you remember on exam day. It's not difficult. They go over and over it and drill it into you.

    It's when you are actually on the job and the variety of issues you come across can be overwhelming for some. The electrical systems in modern vehicles can have up to 15 ecus using coded hi/low 6v and 12v canbus wiring. To be able to diagnose either electrical or mecanical issues you must know how everything works and talks to each other. Faults can be intermittent causing a variety of strange issues. You can spend days going through mountains of wiring and testing while pulling a car to pieces. Then the next job for example could be an engine rebuild on an engine type you have never seen before which will need stripping down leaving a mountain of parts to be reasembbled .It's always evolving new systems, new engines, new diagnostic techniques. More and more training. While all the time your "efficency and productivity" s under scrutiny.

    The fundamentals of an electricians job don't change or evolve unless they move into that field. As a mechanic you don't have a choice you must keep learning and all for half the same pay as other trades in some circumstances.

    If you have never actually worked as a mechanic on modern vehicles you do not have a clue what it's like.


    You're obviously not an electrician or instrument tech in industry. Try tell one of them the fundamentals haven't changed when their trying to figure out how to calibrate or configure profibus stuff when they're used to 4 - 20mA stuff.

    Any mechanic who spends days days going through mountains of wiring should be contacting his local auto spark after a few hours if he has no clue at all what he's at.

    Rebuilding engines types he's never before? Engine overhaul centres are the answer to that conundrum.

    Most mechanics are best left to oil services & pads etc.


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    #64
    Autochange
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Autochange


    Augeo wrote: »
    You're obviously not an electrician or instrument tech in industry. Try tell one of them the fundamentals haven't changed when their trying to figure out how to calibrate or configure profibus stuff when they're used to 4 - 20mA stuff.

    Any mechanic who spends days days going through mountains of wiring should be contacting his local auto spark after a few hours if he has no clue at all what he's at.

    Rebuilding engines types he's never before? Engine overhaul centres are the answer to that conundrum.

    Most mechanics are best left to oil services & pads etc.

    Rubbish!
    Dealerships dont sub out electrical and engine overhaul work. Especially if they are warranty jobs. Manufacturers would not allow it . As i said to previously if you are not in the trade you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

    If an electrician has gone into instrumentation then his pay packet will reflect the extra training. In the motor trade it does not. That is the difference


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    #65
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 18,480 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Augeo wrote: »
    Any mechanic who spends days days going through mountains of wiring should be contacting his local auto spark after a few hours if he has no clue at all what he's at.

    Rebuilding engines types he's never before? Engine overhaul centres are the answer to that conundrum.

    Most mechanics are best left to oil services & pads etc.

    What a load of tosh.

    You vastly understate just how much electronics are in modern vehicles, if you really think most mechanics don't know how to isolate wiring faults then you don't know many mechanics, they wouldn't last a day in our place if they don't have basic electrical competency.

    And engine overhaul centres? Don't make me laugh, our lads consider an engine rebuild to be a handy job compared to some of the other problems they could be given, whereas I wouldn't let some "overhaul centre" near a dti engine.

    Edit: Oh, its just you again, still talking rubbish.


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    #66
    dor843088
    Registered Users Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭dor843088


    Mechanics earn around 30- 35k a year. Years of training to get qualified and every year or new vehicle that comes out you need to train all over again. Mostly filthy dirty damp conditions insanely expensive tools and an utterly thankless job where every joe soap thinks you're out to rip them off because the trade has an ugly reputation. Out of all the trades is the worst paid and the most difficult. Just a former mechanics opinion. Stay in school kid 35k a year ain't worth that sh1t.


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    #67
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    Autochange wrote: »
    Rubbish!
    Dealerships dont sub out electrical and engine overhaul work. Especially if they are warranty jobs. Manufacturers would not allow it . As i said to previously if you are not in the trade you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

    If an electrician has gone into instrumentation then his pay packet will reflect the extra training. In the motor trade it does not. That is the difference

    If they're warranty jobs the mechanic would be familiar with the engine.... try and remain consistent.

    Your point about mechanics pay is correct. It's sh1t money.

    You allude to work being subbed out if it's not warranty work though. Make up your mind.
    bucketybuck wrote: »
    What a load of tosh.

    You vastly understate just how much electronics are in modern vehicles, if you really think most mechanics don't know how to isolate wiring faults then you don't know many mechanics, they wouldn't last a day in our place if they don't have basic electrical competency.

    And engine overhaul centres? Don't make me laugh, our lads consider an engine rebuild to be a handy job compared to some of the other problems they could be given, whereas I wouldn't let some "overhaul centre" near a dti engine.

    Edit: Oh, its just you again, still talking rubbish.

    I'm not the onespeeling on about mechanics spending days on an electrical issue. If they knew how to troubleshoot it wouldn't take days.


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