2017/18 UEFA Champions League

MisterAnarchy

munchkin_utd wrote: »

sure its not as if Bayern ever turned round a 2-1 home defeat against Real to bring the tie to extra time after outplaying Real in the bernabau .....

oh hang on, thats what happened last year.

Why did RTE and BT keep on repeatedly saying that Real have won their last six matches against Bayern ?
Did Bayern not win the second leg last season and force the match into extra time ?

ERG89

GLaDOS wrote:

Id hardly say the Madrid Munich tie is over

I genuinely think Roma have a better chance than Bayern tbh.

Trigger

I’ve really enjoyed it this year, especially watching Madrid, beating PSG, Juve and potentially Bayern to get to the final, it’s as if someone is trying to stop them winning it again :pac:

the whole year inn

astradave wrote: »

I’ve really enjoyed it this year, especially watching Madrid, beating PSG, Juve and potentially Bayern to get to the final, it’s as if someone is trying to stop them winning it again :pac:

They had a very tough run to get there,I would easily say the most deserved team to win it.

martyos121

the whole year inn wrote: »

They had a very tough run to get there,I would easily say the most deserved team to win it.

Whoever wins it in Kiev will be the team who deserves it, nobody else. You have to earn titles, you don’t deserve them purely for beating certain teams.

the whole year inn

martyos121 wrote: »

Whoever wins it in Kiev will be the team who deserves it, nobody else. You have to earn titles, you don’t deserve them purely for beating certain teams.

Fair enough.

Shanotheslayer

martyos121 wrote: »

Whoever wins it in Kiev will be the team who deserves it, nobody else. You have to earn titles, you don’t deserve them purely for beating certain teams.

Some draws are definitely easier than others. The same way some groups are. Don't kid yourself.

Yes whoever wins deserves it but that doesn't mean another club didn't have a tougher route to do it.

marklazarcovic

Madrid have already lost twice in this seasons champions league

citytillidie

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Why did RTE and BT keep on repeatedly saying that Real have won their last six matches against Bayern ?
Did Bayern not win the second leg last season and force the match into extra time ?

and dont forget those offside goals Madrid were handed last year too

Benimar

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Why did RTE and BT keep on repeatedly saying that Real have won their last six matches against Bayern ?
Did Bayern not win the second leg last season and force the match into extra time ?

Extra time counts towards an official scoreline so officially Real Won the game 4-2.

NIMAN

astradave wrote: »

I’ve really enjoyed it this year, especially watching Madrid, beating PSG, Juve and potentially Bayern to get to the final, it’s as if someone is trying to stop them winning it again :pac:

Many on here will tell you Madrid had the help of UEFA, refs, the Illuminati etc to win another CL.;)

munchkin_utd

NIMAN wrote: »

Many on here will tell you Madrid had the help of UEFA, refs, the Illuminati etc to win another CL.;)

the ref appointed for the game tomorrow is the lad who unbelievably sent off Nani for Man Utd against Real a few years back tuning the tie in their favour.
Whether thats a conspiracy to help Madrid, I couldnt possibly comment.

The Bayern team against Frankfurt at the weekend had an average age of just a few days over 24, including 4 debutants from the youth system (and they still won 4 -1 ), 3 of whom are on the squad for tomorrow.
The 3 young lads who are travelling were very good against Frankfurt and slotted in perfectly, one getting the opener. The lad not travelling is the odd one out who did look a little star struck by being chosen for the first team out of the blue.
I wouldnt be surprised if at least one of them starts, in order to inject a little freshness and pace. Alaba is travelling too, but he is just back from an injury so over potentially 120 minutes a liability.

Its hard to see bayern beating Real with the home and ref advantage , but if the ref stays reasonably even handed and doesnt do anything rash I'd at least hope that the tie is still up for grabs approaching 90 minutes.

IncognitoMan

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Its hard to see bayern beating Real with the home and ref advantage , but if the ref stays reasonably even handed and doesnt do anything rash I'd at least hope that the tie is still up for grabs approaching 90 minutes.

If it's Cuneyt Cakir then I wouldn't hold out any hope. He is genuinely one of the worst Ref's currently operating.

A red card or penalty bet might be worth a look though.

inforfun

IncognitoMan wrote: »

If it's Cuneyt Cakir then I wouldn't hold out any hope. He is genuinely one of the worst Ref's currently operating.

A red card or penalty bet might be worth a look though.

Even that he ****s up. The guy is capable of sending off people in friendlies while showing no cards in a Boca - River Plate match.

And yes, it is our little friend Cakir.

NIMAN

there's a few posters on this thread who belong in the flat earth one instead!

IncognitoMan

What?

NIMAN

The anti-Madridista brigade....the ones who think no other teams in football get bad decisions their way.

munchkin_utd

IncognitoMan wrote: »

If it's Cuneyt Cakir then I wouldn't hold out any hope. He is genuinely one of the worst Ref's currently operating.

A red card or penalty bet might be worth a look though.

another one (lest anyone say its a pro bayern, anti madrid view of the world that has me doubting this mans mental ability), Ireland v Italy in a world cup qualifier

Sends off Keith Andrews for a second yellow card for what isnt even a tackle, let alone a free, let alone a yellow card . Unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxhhu6GnLuo

GLaDOS

munchkin_utd wrote: »

another one (lest anyone say its a pro bayern, anti madrid view of the world that has me doubting this mans mental ability), Ireland v Italy in a world cup qualifier

Sends off Keith Andrews for a second yellow card for what isnt even a tackle, let alone a free, let alone a yellow card . Unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxhhu6GnLuo

He was also the ref against Belgium who ignored Shane Long getting kicked in the head in their box right before they scored.

irishguitarlad

munchkin_utd wrote: »

another one (lest anyone say its a pro bayern, anti madrid view of the world that has me doubting this mans mental ability), Ireland v Italy in a world cup qualifier

Sends off Keith Andrews for a second yellow card for what isnt even a tackle, let alone a free, let alone a yellow card . Unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxhhu6GnLuo

Is he the Turk?

MisterAnarchy

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Is he the Turk?

Yes.
Bayern are furious about his appointment.

As Bayern look to turn the score around in Madrid and continue their treble run, they are not entirely happy that Çakir will officiate the match due to dreadful experiences in the past. Bayern were eliminated from the Champions League in 2016 after losing to Atletico Madrid—on away goals—in a very controversial match that still haunts the Germans. After the team’s knockout in 2016, the club chairman Karl Heinz Rummenigge harshly criticized Çakir for wrong calls in the game and said that he felt cheated.

Here is Rummenigge’s reaction to the controversial match against Atletico from two years back:

Our team played great. They deserved to win and deserved to go to Milan. Atletico’s goal was offside; the foul for the penalty was outside of the box.
The UEFA delegate told me it’s a shame what he did.

IncognitoMan

As they should be. Not saying he's pro Real Madrid or anything just he's a ****e ref.

NIMAN

Surely is he's a sh1t ref then he is likely to make bad decisions for both teams?

Why would a Turkish ref be pro-Real Madrid anyway?

I also think its a bit poor form of Bayern to be complaining about the ref even before the game has started. It is kind of making excuses before the event, to cover them getting beat. If they are good enough, they'll do what they have to on the pitch and get through. If they go out over 2 legs, is it always a ref who causes it, or themselves not being good enough?

IncognitoMan

It's because he's randomly ****e. You've no idea what he'll do as there's absolutely no consistency at all with him. It's a pure gamble.

Would you want the fate of your club hanging in the balance with an unpredictable lunatic?

The fact so many people are aware of who he is in here should tell you something. I doubt I'd have any idea who the ref is in the other semi as I know very few refs. But this guy stands out every time I see him.

I've genuinely no idea how he's still taking charge of any games at the top level. He's beyond useless.

The least a club could expect in a champions league semi final is a competent referee.

Edit: and for the record I want Real Madrid to go through.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Many on here will tell you Madrid had the help of UEFA, refs, the Illuminati etc to win another CL.;)

It is a pyramid. Real get the benefit against all other clubs that are below them. Then the next level, Man U, Barca, Bayern get the decision against all below them, then Liverpool, Milan etc.

So all the clubs can be claimed to get bad decision in their favour, but only against the smaller club.

Mr.Nice Guy

Here's the Madrid and Bayern teams:

Real Madrid XI: Navas; Vazquez, Varane, Ramos, Marcelo; Kovacic, Modric, Kroos, Asensio; Benzema, Ronaldo.

Bayern Munich XI: Ulreich; Kimmich, Sule, Hummels, Alaba; Tolisso, Thiago, James; Muller, Lewandowski, Ribery.

Can Bayern overturn the 2-1 deficit from the first leg?

I think Bayern will take it to Extra-Time and then Ronaldo will settle it for Madrid.

GLaDOS

Has Vazquez played rb much/ever before?

MarkY91

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Here's the Madrid and Bayern teams:



Can Bayern overturn the 2-1 deficit from the first leg?

I think Bayern will take it to Extra-Time and then Ronaldo will settle it for Madrid.

I hope they can overturn it.

As a Liverpool fan, I am frightened about the possibility of Ronaldo v Lovren in the final (if we get there)

NIMAN

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Would you want the fate of your club hanging in the balance with an unpredictable lunatic?

I think if we are honest, the fate of Munich today lies in how awful they were last week.

If they play as badly tonight they deserve to go out.

Will be watching this ref closely tonight to see just how bad he is. But to be honest, most refs I see in the EPL and CL are prone to strange decisions.

ERG89

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Can Bayern overturn the 2-1 deficit from the first leg?

No.
Have to score twice tonight & I don't see it happening. Even after Alonso & Lahm retired last summer Bayern just looked old last week.

Esse85

Be hilarious if James Rodriguez scores the decisive goal that knocks Real out.

GLaDOS

Bayern targeting Vazquez straight away

GLaDOS

Awful defending

Mars Bar

Well that makes it interesting!

KERSPLAT!

Poor from Madrid. Delighted!

TV3 commentary behind?

sligeach

Great start by Bayern, 1-0.

NIMAN

The sound and action is further out than it is on Rte

Mushy

Makes it fun

Esse85

What was Ramos at?

Marcelo was very slow to get out and stop the cross too.

NIMAN

Game on

GLaDOS

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Poor from Madrid. Delighted!

TV3 commentary behind?

Way behind! Thought a flag was raised cause of the lack of reaction

sligeach

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Poor from Madrid. Delighted!

TV3 commentary behind?

Yep, even worse than RTE2 last week. Must be at least 3 seconds.

Mr.Nice Guy

Just what the spectacle needed. Nice.

ERG89

Esse85 wrote:

Be hilarious if James Rodriguez scores the decisive goal that knocks Real out.

Didn't Morientes knock them out years ago with Monaco.
Ugh I don't even like seeing Rafinha on the bench.

Mr.Nice Guy

1-1. Benzema.

ollie1

What a start to the match

PhlegmyMoses

Marcelo is a great player

sligeach

Hate Marcelo but it was a good cross.

At least the sound is synched with the picture now.

kingshankly

Madrid defenders all over the shop here

Amirani

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Marcelo is a great player

Don't think he gets the appreciation he deserves - best LB in the World I reckon.