Interesting article about Travellers by a Traveller

The Bishop Basher

It can only be prejudice if a person has no just cause for having a certain opinion..

This thread has literally hundreds of personal experiences each one giving more then enough just cause.

To ignore this is just ignoring reality.

suicide_circus

As I say in all traveller threads, normalisation of relations between the settled and travelling communities requires a concerted effort from both sides. Travellers have been afforded special protection under discrimination legislation and have had their ethnicity recognised. The Dept of Social Protection, Dept of Education and local county councils also make special allowences for the travelling community to accommodate their particular needs. The travelling community now need to own, address and ultimately change the issues which plague them with particular reference to education, criminality and fraud. Until these changes start to happen, travellers will continue to face discrimination. It's not fair that a child should ever be treated like this but it's only travellers themselves who can fix this.

Game Face MCGee

Swanner wrote: »

It can only be prejudice if a person has no just cause for having a certain opinion..

This thread has literally hundreds of personal experiences each one giving more then enough just cause.

To ignore this is just ignoring reality.

reality isn't a word the liberals and bleeding heart brigade understand.

Game Face MCGee

Game Face MCGee wrote: »

putting words in my mouth, I never said the kid deserved it, I suggested there my be a reason behind it, you suggest prejudice and bigotry immediately with out understanding context.

I understand context.

I also understand no context at all. And you have given no context at all. You suggested a 4 year old girl might deserve discrimination because something something unknown yada yada the experiences of the adult who doled it out. That's not introducing any context.

Anyway, I see you seem to be losing it slightly...

Game Face MCGee wrote: »

simple mistake liberals make all the time, don't worry they will be plenty of opportunities to be hypocritical again

Game Face MCGee wrote: »

reality isn't a word the liberals and bleeding heart brigade understand.

What is it with posters today on this thread getting visibly annoyed because others disagree?

Roger Hassenforder

end of the road wrote: »

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it is wrong to be involved in illegal activity, which yes a number of travelers are involved in, and for which the gards refuse to do anything about, for which the gards are wrong.
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You'll have evidence to support this claim, or are you relying on anecdotal evidence?

end of the road wrote: »

people on wellfare are funded by the tax payer. in fact, all us tax payers are funded by the tax payer to an extent. councils don't fund those who aren't legally in a haulting site.
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85% of us aren't on welfare.
(Councils pay for the halting sites and their maintenance BTW).

end of the road wrote: »

if the EU say we are failing to meet certain standards which we are obligated to meet then we do something about it and meet those standards, i'm not willing to pay fines because we have failed to meet our obligations.
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Don't worry, it's not binding

end of the road

suicide_circus wrote: »

The travelling community now need to own, address and ultimately change the issues which plague them with particular reference to education, criminality and fraud. Until these changes start to happen, travellers will continue to face discrimination.

unless we make it toxic to discriminate against them, like we did with other groups. that's what we need to do. it's not up to the traveling community to change to stop discrimination, it's up to those discriminating to stop discriminating. it's up to the traveling community to change the issues because it's the right thing to do.

suicide_circus wrote: »

It's not fair that a child should ever be treated like this but it's only travellers themselves who can fix this.

no . it's those doing the discriminating who are the only ones who can fix this, and they should be forced to, via legal means if needs be.

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The Bishop Basher

end of the road wrote: »

it's those doing the discriminating who are the only ones who can fix this, and they should be forced to, via legal means if needs be.

So are you says publicans should be forced to open their doors for weddings and funerals ? Who'll pick up the cost of the damage ? The publicans ? Us ?

It won't be the travelers anyway..

Tell us honestly though..

Would you open your pub for a traveller funeral if every other pub had closed ?

Yes or no ?

Roger Hassenforder

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No no, I'm not their spokesperson. So can't say their issues with private property and appearance are all down to "putting it to the man". It might be a bit more than that, I suspect ghettoes of ethnic groups in many areas where they suffer discrimination are not exactly easy on the eye.

And don't think this a human rights issue. The human rights issues were outlined by Council of Europe. they also analysed our responsibilities. I think the evidence pointed to facilities with open sewers and the like provided by local authorities.

there's easy on the eye, and living in filth and squalor, squalor to which you may have directly contributed to by piling it high and deep around you, doing nothing to mitigate your situation, only aggravating it.

i wonder are some of the open sewers a result of the man hole covers been "lifted" and not replaced. Like this chap had a predilection for, albeit not in his own proverbial back yard. (Can you imagine the carnage if a car hit an open manhole on a motorway at 120km. Or this English chap

Hammer89

I gave ma a ferocious kick up the hole when she suggested there was no room in the van for that bike. 'Don't be an eejit all your life woman,' I said to her. I stopped and told my great grandson, little Mikey, to go fetch it from the skip. At 40, I don't have the energy to be lugging things in and out of skips now. He got it and sure enough there was room in the van. But there wasn't enough room for ma after that so I kicked her out in Navan and told her to walk back to the site in Wexford.

www.travellertales.ie

Roger Hassenforder

Hammer89 wrote: »

I gave ma a ferocious kick up the hole when she suggested there was no room in the van for that bike. 'Don't be an eejit all your life woman,' I said to her. I stopped and told my great grandson, little Mikey, to go fetch it from the skip. At 40, I don't have the energy to be lugging things in and out of skips now. He got it and sure enough there was room in the van. But there wasn't enough room for ma after that so I kicked her out in Navan and told her to walk back to the site in Wexford.

www.travellertales.ie

I can't believe I actually clicked that link

corkdave

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

(Councils pay for the halting sites and their maintenance BTW).

Not sure what the relevance of this is. Council pay for all local authority accommodation, and all tenants pay rent including Travellers who live on halting sites. This is despite the overcrowding, the inadequately heated mobile homes, and the lower safety standards.

bobbyss

corkdave wrote:

Not sure what the relevance of this is. Council pay for all local authority accommodation, and all tenants pay rent including Travellers who live on halting sites. This is despite the overcrowding, the inadequately heated mobile homes, and the lower safety standards.

How much is the rent? Is it standard? I have often wondered how electric bills are paid and issued. If there are more than one family in a bay who gets the bill?

Richard Hillman

bobbyss wrote: »

How much is the rent? Is it standard? I have often wondered how electric bills are paid and issued. If there are more than one family in a bay who gets the bill?

Pay as you go metered I reckon.

Annasopra

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The law didnt unfortunately change the culture

bobbyss

Richard Hillman wrote:

Pay as you go metered I reckon.

Yeah I had thought that might be it. It would be interesting to get the experiences of Electric Ireland and the paying of bills on halting sites. As It would any other group of people. But more so halting sites. I am sure they get call outs to sites and I wonder how they are received.

sunrainmooncl

Haven't read the thread at all to be honest.

Anyone have experiences living next to or in the same community as settled travellers?

Jim Bob Scratcher

sunrainmooncl wrote: »

Haven't read the thread at all to be honest.

Anyone have experiences living next to or in the same community as settled travellers?

I doubt it, no one has ever lived to tell the tale.

Professor Moriarty

sunrainmooncl wrote: »

Haven't read the thread at all to be honest.

Anyone have experiences living next to or in the same community as settled travellers?

My own personal negative experiences aside, settled travellers moved in next door to my sister-in-law. She was inconsolable. Turns out they cause no trouble whatsoever and keep to themselves.

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