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GGG V Canelo - Sept 16th( See First post for Info on How to Watch)

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    #812
    willmunny1990
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    The money may be too much to turn down for a rematch but GGG will need a KO to win.

    Unless it's a neutral venue with neutral judges he wont be given a decision.


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    #813
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    That 118-110 card is a joke.


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    #814
    titan18
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    I had that 116-112 for Golovkin, but any score up to 115-113 Canelo would have been correct imo. I think Golovkin had 5 clear rounds in the middle of the fight and Canelo had a few clear rounds early but last 3 rounds were very close and could have gone either way.

    During the fight though, I thought Golovkin was never winning on a scorecard, and was expecting Canelo to win a tight one, but 118-110 is a robbery of the highest order.


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    #815
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    I scored it 115-113 to Golovkin myself and thought i could easily have swung to a draw or 115-113 to Canelo depending on how you saw it, but that 118-110 card is just ridiculous, that judge should never be let near a title fight again.


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    #816
    normanoffside
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    GGG KO
    Good fight.
    Canelo was strong and tough, a tank with an Iron chin as predicted. Also he was very composed on defence.
    GGG did all the work though and I had him winning by 3-4 rounds. I cwn see the argument for a draw all the same.

    The 118-110 scorecard was an absolute joke. I had a small wager on GGG by points so am a bit pissed off! At the same stage if Byrd had scored it 115-113 to Canelo nobody would be batting an eyelid.


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    #817
    PeterTheNinth
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    It's not beyond the wit of man to implement a much fairer system.. Maybe get 10 people to judge the big fights, and discount the most disparate judges. But I think it's in the interests of the promoters to keep the system as it is, as it gives them a pretty easy means to tinker with the result.

    Say the result should have been a win for Golovkin with
    Dave Moretti 114-114
    Dan Trella 115-113 for Golovkin
    Adalaide Byrd 115-113 for Golovkin

    All you need to do is buy off one judge to influence the result.


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    #818
    Gamebred
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    There is no way she could be so incompetent to only give GGG 2 rounds in the fight it just doesnt wash that is nailed on corruption.


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    #819
    begbysback
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    Very true, seems the outrage is about the distance in rounds from that judge, GGG came forward all night, piled pressure on, but didn't land much clean. I don't believe points are scored for coming forward, just looks good - after just watching it once I believe a draw a fair result, but did expect a narrow GGG decision.

    If there is a rematch then GGG goes all out for the ko, hard to believe he's 35


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    #820
    Mantis Toboggan
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    Canelo KO
    Hopefully that's the end for Byrd.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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    #821
    Burial.
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    Canelo KO
    Presuming she's been bought. What clown would make it so obvious by posting that scorecard. Have it 115-113 Canelo instead of what it was. Even if she's scared of later knockdowns and gives Canelo rounds in advance it makes no sense. Just another case of a judge not fit for their job in my eyes. Couldn't give a rats arse about sexism but a woman has no place judging a Boxing fight imo. She's made some awful cards in MMA too.


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    #822
    walshb
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    I was thinking the same thing. This corruption being bandied bout anytime a card is wide during a close fight. Surely if corrupt they'd try and make it somewhat close.

    I'll have to rewatch the fight to find out how many rds were close enough to justify a wide score.

    Let's say it's 3-0 to Canelo after 3 (I had it 2-1 Canelo), of the 9 remaining rds how many were pickems? I recall a few.

    I am not agreeing with Byrd's card, but merely seeing how it could be honest and justified..


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    #823
    snowflaker
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    Burial. wrote: »
    Presuming she's been bought. What clown would make it so obvious by posting that scorecard. Have it 115-113 Canelo instead of what it was. Even if she's scared of later knockdowns and gives Canelo rounds in advance it makes no sense. Just another case of a judge not fit for their job in my eyes. Couldn't give a rats arse about sexism but a woman has no place judging a Boxing fight imo. She's made some awful cards in MMA too.

    A woman has no place judging a boxing fight? That's not even funny


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    #824
    Neil3030
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    I have no idea how these things are scored - is there any closer winning score that Byrd could have given Canelo that could have resulted in GGG winning the fight? Like a 115-113 or something? Because if not, what's the big deal if she went 118 - 110, if ultimately it has no impact on the result?


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    #825
    Burial.
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    A woman has no place judging a boxing fight? That's not even funny

    Not trying to be funny. Again couldn't give a rats about being sexist it's just my opinion, wrong or otherwise. I remember hearing a story from Joe Rogan where he mentioned a female judge asking mid fight about the grappling and what was going on...this was MMA obviously. He didn't mention names but it's obviously her.


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    #826
    walshb
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    I have no idea how these things are scored - is there any closer winning score that Byrd could have given Canelo that could have resulted in GGG winning the fight? Like a 115-113 or something? Because if not, what's the big deal if she went 118 - 110, if ultimately it has no impact on the result?

    No. One judge scored to GGG and one to Canelo. One a draw. It's a draw no matter what the card scores.


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    #827
    Henno30
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    I have no idea how these things are scored - is there any closer winning score that Byrd could have given Canelo that could have resulted in GGG winning the fight? Like a 115-113 or something? Because if not, what's the big deal if she went 118 - 110, if ultimately it has no impact on the result?

    Your question doesn't make much sense.


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    #828
    walshb
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    Your question doesn't make much sense.

    It makes perfect sense. The poster wasn't sure exactly the reason for the draw.


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    #829
    Henno30
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    walshb wrote: »
    It makes perfect sense. The poster wasn't sure exactly the reason for the draw.

    He's asking why 118-110 matters if 115-113 would still have been a draw. Why Byrd turning in a 10-2 card is worse than a 7-5 card.


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    #830
    walshb
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    He's asking why 118-110 matters if 115-113 would still have been a draw. Why Byrd turning in a 10-2 card is worse than a 7-5 card.

    Read his first question again.

    I took it that would a closer "winning card" for Canelo from Byrd have resulted in a GGG win...

    I answered that question.


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    #831
    snowflaker
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    He's asking why 118-110 matters if 115-113 would still have been a draw. Why Byrd turning in a 10-2 card is worse than a 7-5 card.

    An aggregate on the score cards would have given Canelo the win if the differences in victory margin mattered


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    #832
    snowflaker
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    Burial. wrote: »
    Not trying to be funny. Again couldn't give a rats about being sexist it's just my opinion, wrong or otherwise. I remember hearing a story from Joe Rogan where he mentioned a female judge asking mid fight about the grappling and what was going on...this was MMA obviously. He didn't mention names but it's obviously her.

    That's one female. One of the best refs in Irish amateur boxing is female


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    #833
    Neil3030
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    Henno30 wrote: »
    He's asking why 118-110 matters if 115-113 would still have been a draw. Why Byrd turning in a 10-2 card is worse than a 7-5 card.

    Well it was a bit of both actually. Giving any kind of win for Canelo resulted in the draw, so I'm a bit confused as to why such a fuss is being kicked up over the margin, which is arbitrary in the overall result.


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    #834
    blade1
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    That's one female. One of the best refs in Irish amateur boxing is female

    I'd actually like to see how she scored it.


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    #835
    Tiriel
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    Let's leave the sexist comments now please.


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    #836
    walshb
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    Very similar in many aspects to Leonard-Hagler. Score wise and fight flow wise..

    I am not sure how much of a furore there was over the 118-110 card for Leonard. No boards or social media back then, but it sure was talked about.


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    #837
    Maravilla33
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Henno30 wrote: »
    He's asking why 118-110 matters if 115-113 would still have been a draw. Why Byrd turning in a 10-2 card is worse than a 7-5 card.

    Well it was a bit of both actually.  Giving any kind of win for Canelo resulted in the draw, so I'm a bit confused as to why such a fuss is being kicked up over the margin, which is arbitrary in the overall result.
    Even though the margin of her scorecard makes no odds to the actual outcome it's pretty worrying that she could score it that wide. This was a fight that most had as close, the majority giving it to GGG. So how she can think Canelo won 10 rounds to GGGs 2 is mind boggling. You need some consistency. That is the concern.


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    #838
    Neil3030
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    Maravilla33 wrote: »
    Even though the margin of her scorecard makes no odds to the actual outcome it's pretty worrying that she could score it that wide. This was a fight that most had as close, the majority giving it to GGG. So how she can think Canelo won 10 rounds to GGGs 2 is mind boggling. You need some consistency. That is the concern.

    But by the very nature of the fight being close, this means there's lots of marginal calls, right? So is it so strange if one person grants the majority of marginal calls to one person? Again, I just tend to just watch the big fights, or a fight with an Irish person in it, so I could be completely naive here!


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    #839
    Maravilla33
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Maravilla33 wrote: »
    Even though the margin of her scorecard makes no odds to the actual outcome it's pretty worrying that she could score it that wide. This was a fight that most had as close, the majority giving it to GGG. So how she can think Canelo won 10 rounds to GGGs 2 is mind boggling. You need some consistency. That is the concern.

    But by the very nature of the fight being close, this means there's lots of marginal calls, right?  So is it so strange if one person grants the majority of marginal calls to one person?  Again, I just tend to just watch the big fights, or a fight with an Irish person in it, so I could be completely naive here!
    There were definitely a few rounds that could have gone either way. It makes no sense that one judge can score it 6-6, another give it 7-5 to GGG and then one pretty much go the other way and say Canelo dominated the fight. It was a close fight but even if she gave the close ones all to Canelo there is no way he wins 10. 3G won more than 2 rounds.


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    #840
    walshb
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    Neil3030 wrote: »
    But by the very nature of the fight being close, this means there's lots of marginal calls, right? So is it so strange if one person grants the majority of marginal calls to one person? Again, I just tend to just watch the big fights, or a fight with an Irish person in it, so I could be completely naive here!

    You are not naive..

    You could look at rds 4-9. 6 rds in total. Assuming it's not a bad card to give Canelo rds 1-3 and 10-12. That's 6 in total..

    Now, how many of the other 6 rds between 4 and 9 could you argue for Canelo? Is there 3-4, maybe?


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    #841
    walshb
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    Maravilla33 wrote: »
    There were definitely a few rounds that could have gone either way. It makes no sense that one judge can score it 6-6, another give it 7-5 to GGG and then one pretty much go the other way and say Canelo dominated the fight. It was a close fight but even if she gave the close ones all to Canelo there is no way he wins 10. 3G won more than 2 rounds.

    You at not necessarily saying one dominated the fight with a 10-2 card IF many of the rds were very close and competitive.


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