Advice on trying to get a new job after being dismissed

Sunnydays77

I have an unfamiliar situation as I have been dismissed from my job after 3 months. I made the mistake of confiding in someone I trusted another manager about a meeting I had with our superior. I had a bad feeing in the weeks after the meeting that my manager was unhapipy with me as her attitude towards me had changed after I had challenged her about the lack of training and constructive feed back I was reciving in my role and she got very defensive about this.

I discussed this with the 3rd party which this then got back and resulted in my being called to my managers office and asked was I happy when I tried to discuss again I was told this isn't working out and it's best I leave. I was told I breached confidentiality. My letter says that I breached my contract but I am aware that a beach of confidentiality is gross misconduct this is really worrying me how this will effect future prospects in my career.

Up until this point in my life I have never experienced anything like this and have an excellent work history.

My 2 concerns are putting that job on my CV as I live in a small county everyone knows everyone. Also if I do not put it on my P45 will say I worked there.

Is there anything I can do to overcome this?

I have applied for job which I think I have a good chance of getting and do not what this messing up my chances.

dreamers75

Do you have a good reference from that job? if No leave it off your CV.


Dont be talking behind peoples backs in future.

bbari

Sunnydays77 wrote:

My 2 concerns are putting that job on my CV as I live in a small county everyone knows everyone. Also if I do not put it on my P45 will say I worked there.

You don't have to give your P45 to your new employer.

fran38

Hi. I've been in the same boat so I empathise with you 100%. I was dismissed due to gross misconduct. My fault I admit but there is a life after getting the sack. What I done was, went on a JobBridge course, then applied for jobs where I needed to put down my current employer as a reference. OK, I needed to put down other references but I left out my employer who sacked me. Result? I'm in another job getting on with my life.
Plus, as you were in your job for three months, do you need to highlight that on your CV? Three months is not a massive gap in your work history so I would leave it out.

B.A._Baracus

Hi Sunnydays77,
A 3 month gap can easily be explained by being unemployed and looking for a job. Why put that job down on your cv for a future employer to ring to get potentially soured on you?

You say everyone knows everyones business Reality is people don't give a sh*t.

Sunnydays77

dreamers75 wrote: »

Do you have a good reference from that job? if No leave it off your CV.


Dont be talking behind peoples backs in future.

Well no I won't and this is my reason to post. I spoke to the director of my previous company who is happy to give me a glowing reference. Also a business owner who warned me off going for work there but it was too late I had already given my notice at work. He will also give me a personal reference if I need one as he is a very respected and well connected person.

How do I get round not mentioning it when I have to give in my P45?

Sunnydays77

bbari wrote: »

You don't have to give your P45 to your new employer.

I thought I did, how do I get round this?

Also I have filled in the forms for loan parent so I think I will actually have to give my P45 to them would i get one from them when I start work?

Sunnydays77

fran38 wrote: »

Hi. I've been in the same boat so I empathise with you 100%. I was dismissed due to gross misconduct. My fault I admit but there is a life after getting the sack. What I done was, went on a JobBridge course, then applied for jobs where I needed to put down my current employer as a reference. OK, I needed to put down other references but I left out my employer who sacked me. Result? I'm in another job getting on with my life.
Plus, as you were in your job for three months, do you need to highlight that on your CV? Three months is not a massive gap in your work history so I would leave it out.

Hi thanks for you response, I can leave the gap and my previous employer before this job will give me a glowing reference as I spoke to him and told him what has happened he sees it as no reflection on me as I have an excellent career and record at that company.

The perfect job has come up on my door step this is why I'm so worried what to do. I'll obviously have to give them my P45 how do I get round that part?

I have applied for loan parent so maybe Ii have to give them my P45? Would I get on le from the social welfare after?

Sunnydays77

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Hi Sunnydays77,
A 3 month gap can easily be explained by being unemployed and looking for a job. Why put that job down on your cv for a future employer to ring to get potentially soured on you?

You say everyone knows everyones business Reality is people don't give a sh*t.

Hi thanks for your reply

Well I havent put it in the on job I've applied for just used the heading relevant work history and that job isn't relevant to my degree or the job I am applying for.

I am worried about not mentioning it because of my P45. How do I get round that part?

I have a good reason for the gap as I am applying for a part time job I can say I left to find part time work as i am a lone parent

judeboy101

Out of curiosity, does your contract or the company handbook say anything about confidentiality? Unless you are working for CIA?

Sunnydays77

judeboy101 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, does your contract or the company handbook say anything about confidentiality? Unless you are working for CIA?

I don't know my contact was in my desk and I was so shocked I forget and left it there. Also I was never given a company hand book. Until I received a letter in the post yesterday I was unsure what had happened as in the meeting it was said I think it's best if you leave. I tried to responsed but next thing I knew I was escorted out and my daughters car seat removed from the car and I was left standing in the car park bewildered as to what had just happen.

I emailed them Monday night looking for answers and got no reply then the termination letter in the post

con___manx1

The next time you get a job keep your mouth shut and head down. Don't confide In anyone and trust no one for the first year at least.

Sunnydays77

con___manx1 wrote: »

The next time you get a job keep your mouth shut and head down. Don't confide In anyone and trust no one for the first year at least.

I have learnt that from this thank you. Would you have any other advice that relate to the questions I had?

threetrees

On the P45, just tell your new employer that you need to speak to the tax office about your tax credits, (white lie). Give your new employer your PPS number, that's pretty much all you need to give initially. Ask your new employer for their tax number and ring the tax office yourself telling them you are working for a new company since X date, x tax number and you haven't given in your P45. The tax office will issue new certs and your employer will get all the information they need within a couple of days. New employer doesn't get any paperwork, just downloads the information from ROS online. They won't know who your old employer was or any dates.

Sometimes people don't hand in their P45 as they don't want the new employer to know how much they earned in a previous job. Ringing the tax office yourself is totally fine, once you have the employer tax number.

Sunnydays77

threetrees wrote: »

On the P45, just tell your new employer that you need to speak to the tax office about your tax credits, (white lie). Give your new employer your PPS number, that's pretty much all you need to give initially. Ask your new employer for their tax number and ring the tax office yourself telling them you are working for a new company since X date, x tax number and you haven't given in your P45. The tax office will issue new certs and your employer will get all the information they need within a couple of days. New employer doesn't get any paperwork, just downloads the information from ROS online. They won't know who your old employer was or any dates.

Sometimes people don't hand in their P45 as they don't want the new employer to know how much they earned in a previous job. Ringing the tax office yourself is totally fine, once you have the employer tax number.

Thank you so much for that response. I juts wanted to move on and learn a big lesson from that mistake I didt want it to effect my career. Sounds like I will be able too.

Can I ask have you all this knowledge from working in payroll? Or managed to do it yourself before?

threetrees

Glad to help. I run payroll in a small company. I have asked new employees to phone the tax office themselves if they've "mislaid" their P45.

You could always say you had to hand in your P45 for the lone parents, this is completely true so nothing sinister about not having it.

Sunnydays77

threetrees wrote: »

Glad to help. I run payroll in a small company. I have asked new employees to phone the tax office themselves if they've "mislaid" their P45.

Thank you so much this is a big weight lifted off my mind.

Mongfinder General

con___manx1 wrote: »

The next time you get a job keep your mouth shut and head down. Don't confide In anyone and trust no one for the first year at least.

I agree with the above sentiments. Most employers have a speak up and or whistle blowing policy. It is all bollox. Communication is the problem to the answer in most workplaces. In my experience the person speaking up will be seen as the problem and when a problem arises most managers look for the easy way out.

Learn from this. The arsehole who ratted on you probably felt threatened by you. Everybody has their own angle and self interests in the workplace.

ibarelycare

You have to do that all online now. OP just register for revenue's MyAccount service. From there you can register your new employment before you even start (you just need your start date and the employer registration number which you can ask the new employer for in advance of starting, or before the first payroll run). There you will enter your P45 details and then Revenue will issue a tax cert to your new employer. It will show your precious cumulative earnings for the year, but not where you were employed, how many employments, how long they lasted, etc. I work in payroll and more and more people lately are registering their jobs themselves rather than leaving it to their employer to do.

zetalambda

I got fired from a job and left a few on bad terms in my first few years of full-time employment. To get around the P45 issue, simply contact revenue and give them your new employers details and they'll send a new cert with no reference to the previous employer.
Keep your head down, do your job well and try not to get involved in workplace politics, at least until you are there permanent!

Sunnydays77

Mongfinder General wrote: »

I agree with the above sentiments. Most employers have a speak up and or whistle blowing policy. It is all bollox. Communication is the problem to the answer in most workplaces. In my experience the person speaking up will be seen as the problem and when a problem arises most managers look for the easy way out.

Learn from this. The arsehole who ratted on you probably felt threatened by you. Everybody has their own angle and self interests in the workplace.

I have learnt from this believe me the humiliation of being escorted out of the building and left standing in the car park with my child's car seat after having my phone and car taken from me will say with me for the rest of my life.

Sunnydays77

zetalambda wrote: »

I got fired from a job and left a few on bad terms in my first few years of full-time employment. To get around the P45 issue, simply contact revenue and give them your new employers details and they'll send a new cert with no reference to the previous employer.
Keep your head down, do your job well and try not to get involved in workplace politics, at least until you are there permanent!

Oh I've learnt my lesson. Thank you the new position I am applying for is actually much more suitable for me so hopefully there's a silver lining to this big black cloud

Sunnydays77

ibarelycare wrote: »

You have to do that all online now. OP just register for revenue's MyAccount service. From there you can register your new employment before you even start (you just need your start date and the employer registration number which you can ask the new employer for in advance of starting, or before the first payroll run). There you will enter your P45 details and then Revenue will issue a tax cert to your new employer. It will show your precious cumulative earnings for the year, but not where you were employed, how many employments, how long they lasted, etc. I work in payroll and more and more people lately are registering their jobs themselves rather than leaving it to their employer to do.

That's great I am on that all ready. Thank you for your advice

beauf

Sounds like the person you confided in had their own agenda. Also the manager sounds pretty thin skinned. With that culture in place probably wouldn't have worked out long term anyway.

Sunnydays77

beauf wrote: »

Sounds like the person you confided in had their own agenda. Also the manager sounds pretty thin skinned. With that culture in place probably wouldn't have worked out long term anyway.

I've been though 100 different things in my head about the situation haven't slept or eat properly since Monday I just want to get a new job and put it behind me as I have an excellent work history otherwise I don't want this to effect me moving forward.

ibarelycare

Sunnydays77 wrote: »

I've been though 100 different things in my head about the situation haven't slept or eat properly since Monday I just want to get a new job and put it behind me as I have an excellent work history otherwise I don't want this to effect me moving forward.

Try to focus your energy on looking for something new and put this behind you. The good thing is that it was only 3 months so you barely have a gap in your employment history. It's not something that will even be picked up on most likely. Best of luck with the job hunt and don't be beating yourself up!

Sunnydays77

ibarelycare wrote: »

Try to focus your energy on looking for something new and put this behind you. The good thing is that it was only 3 months so you barely have a gap in your employment history. It's not something that will even be picked up on most likely. Best of luck with the job hunt and don't be beating yourself up!

Thank you

bbari

Sunnydays77 wrote: »

I thought I did, how do I get round this?

Also I have filled in the forms for loan parent so I think I will actually have to give my P45 to them would i get one from them when I start work?

No, its not mandatory. Your new employer will set you up on ROS (Revenue On-line Services) and they will electronically receive your tax credits etc. That will not include any information about your previous company name. You can call Revenue on 1890 333 425 and ask them to assign your tax credits/SCOP to the new employment. You need your PPS number and new employer Tax Reg no. for that.

Best of luck with the job hunting.

Edit: Just noticed that threetrees had already answered your query

Sunnydays77

bbari wrote: »

No, its not mandatory. Your new employer will set you up on ROS (Revenue On-line Services) and they will electronically receive your tax credits etc. That will not include any information about your previous company name. You can call Revenue on 1890 333 425 and ask them to assign your tax credits/SCOP to the new employment. You need your PPS number and new employer Tax Reg no. for that.

Best of luck with the job hunting.

Edit: Just noticed that threetrees had already answered your query

Thank you glad I posed it has really helped

jimmycrackcorm

Sunnydays77 wrote:

I am worried about not mentioning it because of my P45. How do I get round that part?

You don't need a p45, make sure you register with revenue.ie and put in your details online when you get a new job.

_Brian

Its a tough situation and you've been dealt a harsh lesson fo your indescression.

I think you should be able to leave the three months as "job hunting" and it will look ok.

The purpose of the P45 is to get your tax affairs in order swiftly and so avoid much emergency tax.

Now, you can say you lost it or last job were dragging their heels and you don't mind sorting the emergency tax out.. The only fly in the ointment is if some proactive admin contacts your last employer looking for the P45 only to find out they werent your last employer at all !!