Dublin routes news and general chat

ax586

1123heavy wrote: »

Yes, also heard from a close friend in Swissport that redundancies are on the cards and a meeting of staff has been called for some time in the coming weeks. He says the staff have known it was a long time coming anyway. The rumours about menzies and BA have been heard too but it's not confirmed yet and swissport are trying to keep it. The biggest surprise for me was American running (or at least planning to do) their own handling from next year, that's another hit for swissport.

Another thing I heard though is that swissport may be getting the qatar contract, apparently when they first started the route they wanted swissport and swissport knew this and so demanded an unreasonable sum ... Qatar buggered off to sky handling.

Hi there,
I work for Swissport in Dublin.
We had a meeting yesterday about this we are loosing B.A,B.A city flyer Veuling and Iberia..there is no redundancies that was just rumors and the reason we don’t have Qatar is because we are stretched and if they got it with would of tipped us over the edge because we haven’t the equipment nor staff. Especially in the summer and American are only doing the front of house aka check in that’s it

Jamie2k9

ax586 wrote: »

Hi there,
I work for Swissport in Dublin.
We had a meeting yesterday about this we are loosing B.A,B.A city flyer Veuling and Iberia..there is no redundancies that was just rumors and the reason we don’t have Qatar is because we are stretched and if they got it with would of tipped us over the edge because we haven’t the equipment nor staff. Especially in the summer and American are only doing the front of house aka check in that’s it

Have you missed out on CX?

ax586

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Have you missed out on CX?

Apparently still in talks

trellheim

Do Cathay fly in to Dublin now ? Missed hearing that one

LiamaDelta

trellheim wrote: »

Do Cathay fly in to Dublin now ? Missed hearing that one

Starts 2nd June

Jude13

Just looking at the Cathy flights as I got an email today asking work I consider a two year secondment to HK. There will be chats this week with the Mrs. I can't seem to get a direct return leg though. Just a direct Dublin to Hong Kong.

JCX BXC

Jude13 wrote: »

Just looking at the Cathy flights as I got an email today asking work I consider a two year secondment to HK. There will be chats this week with the Mrs. I can't seem to get a direct return leg though. Just a direct Dublin to Hong Kong.

Flights aren't daily, switch around the dates and you should find s direct flight back.

LXFlyer

At present the flights are planned to operate from 2 June on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays only.

trellheim

as I got an email today asking work I consider a two year secondment to HK.

Great place, tons of expats , if you get good accomodation and schools for the kids I'd jump at it ,

Bussywussy

I heard Dnata handling are coming to Dub,that'll be Emirates gone to them.

TheFitz13

Bussywussy wrote: »

I heard Dnata handling are coming to Dub,that'll be Emirates gone to them.

I can't see swissport, sky handling, Menzies and Dnata all in DUB..

irishrover99

LXFlyer wrote: »

At present the flights are planned to operate from 2 June on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays only.

This is great for Dublin and Ireland.
It should dramatically increase the amount of Chinese tourists to Ireland wanting to take a selfie with a pint Guiness. But as a destination for Irish, Hong Kong is fine for a few days and perhaps a week at the most so perhaps it could be better as a stopover for Aus or trips to Macau and Shenzhen

Their website is showing flights for the weekend at about 900 Euro so not exactly cheap ATM but its saying they will be using the Airbus A350-900

AoifeOCaa

Miami not showing up for sale from November? is the route going to be scrapped or simply isn't loaded yet?

Jamie2k9

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

Miami not showing up for sale from November? is the route going to be scrapped or simply isn't loaded yet?

Probably only deciding schedules now, they planned a freq switch winder but changed back to current one.

Its been a slow start so wouldn't be a total surprise me if they were to go seasonal but feel they will probally give it another try next winter.

JCX BXC

Very early to expect things loaded and confirmed for Winter 18/19.

Tenger

trellheim wrote: »

Great place, tons of expats , if you get good accomodation and schools for the kids I'd jump at it ,

Agreed. I have family there, great quality of life. Very vibrant city with strong ex-pat community.

But they do miss Ireland though, it would be a drop in quality if life for them to cone home.

LXFlyer

JCX BXC wrote: »

Very early to expect things loaded and confirmed for Winter 18/19.

Sure exact timings for Summer 2018 could change yet!

Jamie2k9

JCX BXC wrote: »

Very early to expect things loaded and confirmed for Winter 18/19.

I agree but EI have "removed" it. As I already said it hasn't preformed as well as other new T/A routes which is probally why its been removed while they consider their options. Loads have been shocking at times, if only an A320 could fly the route......

It should do well as you come into summer but suspect there are concerns around this assumption as well. I still think they will probally give it another go for some if not all next winter but it going seasonal is just as likely.

It was always a more risky destination and lack of any feed in MIA is going to play a role. We often hear all new EI T/A routes have been profitable from the start, MIA might be the exception.

Not directly related for TCX failed to make their MAN-MIA service work which operated in summer at 2 weekly. While EI are very different it might give you an idea about the challenge.

x567

I do wonder whether EI could make better use of connectivity to the Caribbean via MIA. Not a massive market for sure, but it could offer a viable alternative for Ireland-based holiday travellers who don't want to go via LGW. MIA is a pretty large AA hub, so sorting out the EI/One World/BA-AA JV relationships would help this. The late arrival into MIA means an overnight in Miami for most Caribbean destinations, but the flip-side is the late departure means you can make the EI/DUB flight from most Islands on the way back...

Pat Dunne

x567 wrote: »

I do wonder whether EI could make better use of connectivity to the Caribbean via MIA. Not a massive market for sure, but it could offer a viable alternative for Ireland-based holiday travellers who don't want to go via LGW. MIA is a pretty large AA hub, so sorting out the EI/One World/BA-AA JV relationships would help this. The late arrival into MIA means an overnight in Miami for most Caribbean destinations, but the flip-side is the late departure means you can make the EI/DUB flight from most Islands on the way back...

To my mind EI would have "to pull a major rabbit out of the hat" to make a viable business case to IAG. As they would see a BA connection as the logical means to the Caribbean.

MICKEYG

x567 wrote: »

I do wonder whether EI could make better use of connectivity to the Caribbean via MIA. Not a massive market for sure, but it could offer a viable alternative for Ireland-based holiday travellers who don't want to go via LGW. MIA is a pretty large AA hub, so sorting out the EI/One World/BA-AA JV relationships would help this. The late arrival into MIA means an overnight in Miami for most Caribbean destinations, but the flip-side is the late departure means you can make the EI/DUB flight from most Islands on the way back...

Seem odd that they would not have arranged an interline or codeshare with AA to feed to/from their huge Caribbean and South America network.

goingnowhere

Aer Lingus has full interline and eticket arrangements with AA (and an awful lot of other airlines)

While the Aer Lingus website will only price with JetBlue, United and BA currently (BA was added for TATL and South Africa as soon as IAG took over) a travel agent should be able to price flights with AA and EI


As it stands today the EI IT could sell tickets to any BA destination via LHR. The IT can handle through check on AA but to price AA could be a big project, which you can trace back to why EI pulled out of OW in the first place, IT costs

Marcusm

trellheim wrote: »

Great place, tons of expats , if you get good accomodation and schools for the kids I'd jump at it ,

Do your research if you're ever offered. Very limited school choices post primary, can be very frustrating for a non-working spouse, air quality (esp in Central or TST) very poor.

AoifeOCaa

https://www.total-croatia-news.com/travel/24486-iberia-british-airways-and-aer-lingus-plan-to-increase-operations-to-croatia-in-2018

Aer Lingus launching Zagreb in the future ?

Zonda999

Its a beautiful city and relatively unexplored by Irish people I imagine, I think it would do well as a city break type destination for sure. Would have struck as more of a Ryanair route though to be honest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zagreb_Airport

Its interesting, there isn;t much in the way of LCC activity at the airport, no Ryanair, Easyjet or Wizz and only a couple of destinations from Norweigan.

Jamie2k9

Zagreb is to low yield for EI, Croatian were looking at a DUB service not so long ago. EI operating an extra 3 or 4 weekly next summer.

1123heavy

does anyone know what happened to the Montpellier route Aer Lingus ran in the summer of 2016? I don't think I saw it running again in 2017 ... was it not profitable enough?

IrishYamm

So Miami isnt for sale anymore from october ahead but then there is a flight on the 2nd of Nov. Maybe the winter schedule isnt finished yet? Or are they definitely stopping the route as mentioned here

Jamie2k9

1123heavy wrote: »

does anyone know what happened to the Montpellier route Aer Lingus ran in the summer of 2016? I don't think I saw it running again in 2017 ... was it not profitable enough?

Its operating this sunmer.

JCX BXC

IrishYamm wrote: »

So Miami isnt for sale anymore from october ahead but then there is a flight on the 2nd of Nov. Maybe the winter schedule isnt finished yet? Or are they definitely stopping the route as mentioned here

Who mentioned the route is definitely stopping?

IrishYamm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I agree but EI have "removed" it. As I already said it hasn't preformed as well as other new T/A routes which is probally why its been removed while they consider their options. Loads have been shocking at times, if only an A320 could fly the route......

It should do well as you come into summer but suspect there are concerns around this assumption as well. I still think they will probally give it another go for some if not all next winter but it going seasonal is just as likely.

It was always a more risky destination and lack of any feed in MIA is going to play a role. We often hear all new EI T/A routes have been profitable from the start, MIA might be the exception.

Not directly related for TCX failed to make their MAN-MIA service work which operated in summer at 2 weekly. While EI are very different it might give you an idea about the challenge.

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Dublin pax 2017

29,582,321

Idbatterim

I reckon growth of 7% this year...

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

I reckon growth of 7% this year...

31,653,083 for 2018 at 7%

Beersmith

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Zagreb is to low yield for EI, Croatian were looking at a DUB service not so long ago. EI operating an extra 3 or 4 weekly next summer.

How do you/they arrive at that low yield? So many croatians here now.

Beersmith

Zonda999 wrote: »

Its a beautiful city and relatively unexplored by Irish people I imagine, I think it would do well as a city break type destination for sure. Would have struck as more of a Ryanair route though to be honest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zagreb_Airport

Its interesting, there isn;t much in the way of LCC activity at the airport, no Ryanair, Easyjet or Wizz and only a couple of destinations from Norweigan.

The new terminal only opened last year. It was absolutely tiny before then. Surprised there isn't a dublin route.

JCX BXC

Beersmith wrote: »

How do you/they arrive at that low yield? So many croatians here now.

They're not big spenders. Perhaps an ideal route for Ryanair or other LCC's if the airports were more open to the idea.

Beersmith

JCX BXC wrote: »

They're not big spenders. Perhaps an ideal route for Ryanair or other LCC's if the airports were more open to the idea.

Don't understand what you mean by not big spenders. They will still travel a few times a year home and also family members would travel to visit. Its a whole lot more expensive taking two flights. Zagreb London is always full and a lot fly onto dublin. Its defined not cheap to do that.

JCX BXC

Beersmith wrote: »

Don't understand what you mean by not big spenders. They will still travel a few times a year home and also family members would travel to visit. Its a whole lot more expensive taking two flights. Zagreb London is always full and a lot fly onto dublin. Its defined not cheap to do that.

There's no yield in those routes, Aer Lingus don't fly to Eastern Europe for the very same reason. Ideal for LCC's, but many won't pay the price of higher cost airlines.

I don't know many Croatians, but the few I do know never/rarely travel home.

Another reason for the lack of air traffic there is the airport management itself, not very open to discussion and new routes and are far more interested in protectionism.

Beersmith

JCX BXC wrote: »

There's no yield in those routes, Aer Lingus don't fly to Eastern Europe for the very same reason. Ideal for LCC's, but many won't pay the price of higher cost airlines.

I don't know many Croatians, but the few I do know never/rarely travel home.

Another reason for the lack of air traffic there is the airport management itself, not very open to discussion and new routes and are far more interested in protectionism.

Ok I would disagree though. I would understand no yield if there was competition but there is none. No nearby airports with any easy travel options either. I would imagine those that don't travel is because there is no easy way to fly.

I would imagine it's more likely it is because of the 2nd reason you make coupled with probably different airport management and high costs. Zagreb seems to want to protect upmarket airline services.

I would still be adament there would be demand. Not a daily service but twice weekly.

Pat Dunne

JCX BXC wrote: »

There's no yield in those routes, Aer Lingus don't fly to Eastern Europe for the very same reason. Ideal for LCC's, but many won't pay the price of higher cost airlines.

I don't know many Croatians, but the few I do know never/rarely travel home.

Another reason for the lack of air traffic there is the airport management itself, not very open to discussion and new routes and are far more interested in protectionism.

They're over 10,000 people mostly centred in and around Dublin that have direct ties with Croatia.
I also recall that for a time in the 1980's, Yugoslavia as it was then was very popular with Irish tourists, with Dubrovnic and Split in the south attracting decent numbers. No reason why this can be rekindled.

Tenger

Beersmith wrote: »

How do you/they arrive at that low yield? So many croatians here now.

Large target market doesn’t always correlate to large demand.
And high loads doesn’t directly mean good yield.

EI may prefer to add frequencies to a proven profitable route. Their stated goal with long haul is profitable within 6 months of launch. They could now have a similar goal with short haul.

JCX BXC

Pat Dunne wrote: »

They're over 10,000 people mostly centred in and around Dublin that have direct ties with Croatia.
I also recall that for a time in the 1980's, Yugoslavia as it was then was very popular with Irish tourists, with Dubrovnic and Split in the south attracting decent numbers. No reason why this can be rekindled.

Dubrovnik and Split are to this day linked with Dublin, with Aer Lingus operating flights seasonally to both destinations, as well as various charters to all 3 biggest Irish airports.

However, Zagreb does not attract the same market of tourism.

One must also consider that currently a flight to Dubrovnik or Split suffices for the low demand, plenty of people travel from West/South/North of Ireland to Dublin for flights.

Beersmith

JCX BXC wrote: »

Dubrovnik and Split are to this day linked with Dublin, with Aer Lingus operating flights seasonally to both destinations, as well as various charters to all 3 biggest Irish airports.

However, Zagreb does not attract the same market of tourism.

One must also consider that currently a flight to Dubrovnik or Split suffices for the low demand, plenty of people travel from West/South/North of Ireland to Dublin for flights.

I agree with some of your points. Dubrovnik and split don't suffice though. Terrible transport snd your talking 9/10 hours by public transport from osijek to split. Even worse for dubrovnik. The croatians here aren't from the coast.

Donegal Storm

dnata entering the DUB market, there was speculation they'd be doing handling but seems its just catering

One of the world's largest air services providers, dnata, has announced the setting up of its newest airline catering facility at Dublin Airport, which will create 60 new jobs.

The company, which prepares more than 320,000 meals every day for more than 190 airlines, is part of the Emirates Group.

Dnata's newest facility will focus on catering for premium, long-haul carriers.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/0119/934430-new-dnata-jobs/

Jamie2k9

The typical starting yield per passenger on routes to Dubrovnik, Split and Pula would be 150-180 a head plus a lot of on board revenue from sales also generated.

Immigrants are not known to be big spenders and most wouldn't pay 150+ to visit family in Zagreb regularly nor would many Irish do weekend brakes to Zagreb paying such fares. Immigrants also don't return home often enough to sustain such a route and there would be little premium demand where a lot of EI's core routes would see nor any tour operator to block book seats.

Yes they will happily pay 80 quid to visit EE with Ryaniar. Its a route suited to a low cost carrier.

kevinandrew

I agree with the low yield comments, I'm sure demand is there but not at the fares Aer Lingus need to charge. Airlines like Ryanair and Wizz could easily make a profit on routes of that nature but Aer Lingus struggles, especially when the competition joins them, 


The complete withdrawal from Eastern Europe by Aer Lingus supports this.

L1011

I've been looking for an easy way to do a city break in ZAG - its somewhere oddly badly served from a pan-European perspective and whatever is causing that is going to add to reasons why nobody flies from DUB.

TRN in Winter is somewhere else I find odd in how crap the service is. Massively wealthy area, no TATL despite some huge TATL companies (Fiat Chrysler for one). EI with good connection times could possibly do very well there.

Beersmith

L1011 wrote: »

I've been looking for an easy way to do a city break in ZAG - its somewhere oddly badly served from a pan-European perspective and whatever is causing that is going to add to reasons why nobody flies from DUB.

TRN in Winter is somewhere else I find odd in how crap the service is. Massively wealthy area, no TATL despite some huge TATL companies (Fiat Chrysler for one). EI with good connection times could possibly do very well there.

Its because they only recently opened a proper terminal. The previous one was like waterford size. They are quite far behind air transport wise due to the balkan war. A lot of destinations to Germany as a lot work there.

L1011

WAT's terminal is so small I was expecting my pint to be delivered in a glass the height of my torso, to match the general Lego Airport theme.