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It will be very interesting to see how this will be branded, and marketed.
I'm kind of imagining Aer Lingus advertising their LH product "via Dublin" at the origin of these FR flights, and branding it as a wholly Aer Lingus product.
I'm also imaging a separate Aer Lingus checkin at these airports for the transfer passengers. Thereafter it would be a normal Ryanair flight until they get to DUB.
I could easily be wrong there
Depends on the agreement and what each party wants from it, but fwiw I had imagined it the opposite - fully Ryanair branded and marketed, with the booking just having the TA part as 'operated by EI' similar to their agreement with Air Europa at the moment.
This won't really need Aer Lingus input as they already have their own markets from Europe, and it will be predominantly Europe-originating traffic rather than trying to build a presence in the US.0 -
LiamaDelta wrote: »Depends on the agreement and what each party wants from it, but fwiw I had imagined it the opposite - fully Ryanair branded and marketed, with the booking just having the TA part as 'operated by EI' similar to their agreement with Air Europa at the moment.
This won't really need Aer Lingus input as they already have their own markets from Europe, and it will be predominantly Europe-originating traffic rather than trying to build a presence in the US.
I had wondered if Ryanair would actually brand this as their own product (thus my intrigue). Essentially the long fabled "RyanAtlantic", but in the form of IE inter-lining via DUB.
However my gut feels that their instincts would be to avoid calling it a Ryanair product. Doing so might imply that FR would be responsible for missed connections at DUB, which I feel is something they tend to not want to do.
My feeling is that it might suit them fine for IE to brand and sell the flight packages as an IE product. That way, if the FR flight is delayed or cancelled, it'll be IE that will have take care of the stranded transfer pax. FR will still get seats filled by IE's TATL customers being sent their way.
That's my guess anyway 0 -
LiamaDelta wrote: »Depends on the agreement and what each party wants from it, but fwiw I had imagined it the opposite - fully Ryanair branded and marketed, with the booking just having the TA part as 'operated by EI' similar to their agreement with Air Europa at the moment.
This won't really need Aer Lingus input as they already have their own markets from Europe, and it will be predominantly Europe-originating traffic rather than trying to build a presence in the US.
I had wondered if Ryanair would actually brand this as their own product (thus my intrigue). Essentially the long fabled "RyanAtlantic", but in the form of IE inter-lining via DUB.
However my gut feels that their instincts would be to avoid calling it a Ryanair product. Doing so might imply that FR would be responsible for missed connections at DUB, which I feel is something they tend to not want to do.
My feeling is that it might suit them fine for IE to brand and sell the flight packages as an IE product. That way, if the FR flight is delayed or cancelled, it'll be IE that will have take care of the stranded transfer pax. FR will still get seats filled by IE's TATL customers being sent their way.
That's my guess anyway
To be honest I can’t see it being anything other than a industry standard interlining/codeshare arrangement0 -
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Idbatterim wrote: »wonder if norwegian would fly cork to dublin to also feed routes that they serve from dublin but not cork...
You seem to be obsessed with the idea of getting Cork passengers to go through Dublin airport.
A spokesman for Norwegian said just last week that “We still have ambitions to launch future new routes from Cork,”. By this, I assume he means future routes to European destinations and possibly Newark. I'm not so sure about Dublin though. 0 -
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LiamaDelta wrote: »Or you could explain why you think they're 'crippled'
Yeah, maybe when I have nothing better to do.
It would be very naive to think that everything is rosy at Ryanair now. I'd imagine they're still hemorrhaging pilots albeit at a slower rate and i don't see how they could run a competitor out of town at the moment when they can hardly find the pilots to fly their current scheduled flights. As far as their reputation is concerned, I'd say a lot of people will think twice about using them. I certainly have no intention of using Ryanair again and the reason is completely to do with that balls up last year. You might get a cheap flight off them for 20 euro but what happens when they cancel the flight 24 hours beforehand? You get stuck paying 250 euro with a competitor, that's what.
And Aer Lingus are just the Bus Eireann of the skies. 0 -
zetalambda wrote: »And Aer Lingus are just the Bus Eireann of the skies.
Can you explain how you think Aer Lingus are the Bus Eireann of the skies?0 -
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zetalambda wrote: »LiamaDelta wrote: »Or you could explain why you think they're 'crippled'
Yeah, maybe when I have nothing better to do. It would be very naive to think that everything is rosy at Ryanair now. I'd imagine they're still hemorrhaging pilots albeit at a slower rate and i don't see how they could run a competitor out of town at the moment when they can hardly find the pilots to fly their current scheduled flights. As far as their reputation is concerned, I'd say a lot of people will think twice about using them. I certainly have no intention of using Ryanair again and the reason is completely to do with that balls up last year. You might get a cheap flight off them for 20 euro but what happens when they cancel the flight 24 hours beforehand? You get stuck paying 250 euro with a competitor, that's what.
And Aer Lingus are just the Bus Eireann of the skies.
Honestly airline passengers have goldfish memory, either that or they are blinded by price and convenience, and will flock to Ryanair in their millions this year again. I’ll bet Ryanair will have another record year for pax this year. People literally don’t care.0 -
Honestly airline passengers have goldfish memory, either that or they are blinded by price and convenience, and will flock to Ryanair in their millions this year again. I’ll bet Ryanair will have another record year for pax this year. People literally don’t care.
They're some sweeping statements you're making about people. I can only speak for myself but I certainly don't have a goldfish memory and do care! Maybe you mean specifically Ryanair passengers? They're all scuttered getting on the flights anyway so you might be right there.
Airline travel is set to double in the next 20 years so every successful airline in the world can expect record passenger numbers and profits during the next 20 years.0 -
California Dreamer wrote: »Can you explain how you think Aer Lingus are the Bus Eireann of the skies?
More like a public service than a commercial business. 0 -
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It’s less a sweeping statement and more of an observation of 15+ years of people moaning and complaining about Ryanair yet flying with them more and more every year. This year will be no different and I can say with certainty they won’t miss your custom! Plenty more to fill your seat!zetalambda wrote: »Honestly airline passengers have goldfish memory, either that or they are blinded by price and convenience, and will flock to Ryanair in their millions this year again. I’ll bet Ryanair will have another record year for pax this year. People literally don’t care.
They're some sweeping statements you're making about people. I can only speak for myself but I certainly don't have a goldfish memory and do care! Maybe you mean specifically Ryanair passengers? They're all scuttered getting on the flights anyway so you might be right there.
Airline travel is set to double in the next 20 years so every successful airline in the world can expect record passenger numbers and profits during the next 20 years.0 -
zetalambda wrote: »More like a public service than a commercial business.
You're suggesting that IAG are running Aer Lingus like a public service?
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Are you sure you’re not living in 1997 ?zetalambda wrote: »California Dreamer wrote: »Can you explain how you think Aer Lingus are the Bus Eireann of the skies?
More like a public service than a commercial business.0 -
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It’s less a sweeping statement and more of an observation of 15+ years of people moaning and complaining about Ryanair yet flying with them more and more every year. This year will be no different and I can say with certainty they won’t miss your custom! Plenty more to fill your seat!
Perhaps, I'm not sure really. The last time I flew with them was almost 20 years ago but I still remember it fondly. I missed a return flight from Stanstead by 2 days. I told the check in counter what happened and they put me on the next flight for free. I'd never consider to fly with them now though as I explained earlier. You won't see me on a Ryanair plane again until they have first or business class so i'd imagine it's going to be a while! 0 -
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