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Tenger

Jack1985 wrote: »

Would imagine a quick amalgamation of services. No need for two airlines of the same now group to operate the same city pairing.

I would assume we will see Icelandic and WOW becoming differentiated in their market position. A little like Air Canada and Rouge.
This will most probably impact Norwegian across the Atlantic. (And may make an IAG offer more attractive)

Ireland trains

Is there a reason why most of the big uk airlines dont fly to dublin.
Eg easyjet, jet2, thomas cook.
Is it because of ryanair?
I Virgin think virgin atlantic could do well on 2 or 3 routes at dublin.

theguzman

Ireland trains wrote: »

Is there a reason why most of the big uk airlines dont fly to dublin.
Eg easyjet, jet2, thomas cook.
Is it because of ryanair?
I Virgin think virgin atlantic could do well on 2 or 3 routes at dublin.

Whenever we see a competitor onto Ryanair's turf they will launch a fare-war and a bloodbath will ensure, I remember a few years ago Ryanair succeeded in getting rid of Wizz Air out of Cork by dumping seats at like €9.99 until Wizz pulled out, Ryanair quickly jacked up their prices and then got rid of many of the routes which they took Wizz on at like Cork - Warsaw Modlin.


Why bother competing when your biggest competitor will dump capacity and lose money to ensure you can't compete on those routes.

Locker10a

Ireland trains wrote: »

Is there a reason why most of the big uk airlines dont fly to dublin.
Eg easyjet, jet2, thomas cook.
Is it because of ryanair?
I Virgin think virgin atlantic could do well on 2 or 3 routes at dublin.

EasyJet previously attempted to serve Ireland flying to Cork, Shannon, and Knock, and you guessed it, Ryanair launched all the exact same routes, sold tickets for nothing, they had one objective, and that was to drive competitors out, even at a loss, after easyJet pulled out Ryanair dropped some of the routes and of course readjusted prices

Ireland trains

But could the DAA not grant ryanair additional flights to give airlines a chance because the DAA know that the flights will go back to previous levels otherwise
Eg ( lets just say warsaw)
Senario 1
1)Fr 1per day
2)fr 1per day, -wizz 1 per day
3) fr 3per day, -wizz 1 per day
4) fr 1 per day

Senario 2
1)Fr 1per day
2)fr 1per day, -wizz 1 per day
Ryanair request more slots and DAA says no.

theguzman

Ireland trains wrote: »

But could the DAA not grant ryanair additional flights to give airlines a chance because the DAA know that the flights will go back to previous levels otherwise
Eg ( lets just say warsaw)
Senario 1
1)Fr 1per day
2)fr 1per day, -wizz 1 per day
3) fr 3per day, -wizz 1 per day
4) fr 1 per day

Senario 2
1)Fr 1per day
2)fr 1per day, -wizz 1 per day
Ryanair request more slots and DAA says no.

Since the airline market was deregulated I think this would be highly unlikely. Basically it is a dog eat dog kind of industry with survival of the fittest.

goingnowhere

No, while Dublin is slot restricted, those slots are not specific to a destination

So Ryanair could in theory just move flights around.

There is a long standing game of cat and mouse with EI to match the EI morning schedule

toushea

California Dreamer wrote: »

I know it hasn't been long but was wondering how that Aeroflot flight to Moscow is doing?

I know I’m jumping back a few pages but I’m on it tonight and I’d say tonight it’s operating close to capacity, good few people connecting onwards too by sounds of it. Hopefully tonight is representative of the ongoing loads

L1011

Any ideas/hunch as to where they are connecting onwards to?

East Asia could show demand for at least enhanced frequency on what we already have to HKG and PEK; various CIS destinations are more what I'd expect but could encourage some of the airlines of that part of the world to consider the route.

Van.Bosch

L1011 wrote: »

Any ideas/hunch as to where they are connecting onwards to?

East Asia could show demand for at least enhanced frequency on what we already have to HKG and PEK; various CIS destinations are more what I'd expect but could encourage some of the airlines of that part of the world to consider the route.

Who are they taking the CIS traffic from do you reckon - LH/TK?

Stephen Strange

toushea wrote: »

I know I’m jumping back a few pages but I’m on it tonight and I’d say tonight it’s operating close to capacity, good few people connecting onwards too by sounds of it. Hopefully tonight is representative of the ongoing loads

It's not representative of the SVO-DUB leg anyway. From what I've seen, loads have been between 30 and 110 pax (with average being about 70 pax).

L1011 wrote: »

Any ideas/hunch as to where they are connecting onwards to?

East Asia could show demand for at least enhanced frequency on what we already have to HKG and PEK; various CIS destinations are more what I'd expect but could encourage some of the airlines of that part of the world to consider the route.

I've seen connections on to UAE and some on to China as well. Majority just to SVO though.

Jamie2k9

Given the short notice launch, loads of 70+ are pretty respectable.

Kev11491

Nice to see United will be placing their 787-10 on the DUB-EWR route from the 22nd of May

john boye

The difference between that and the B772s used atm will be like night and day.

trellheim

The difference between that and the B772s used atm will be like night and day.

Is not the seat pitch supposedly absolutely pox ?

john boye

trellheim wrote: »

Is not the seat pitch supposedly absolutely pox ?

I was referring more to the Polaris product up front. I don't know what the economy seat pitch is like but I've flown on 9-abreast B787s twice (not with United) and the seats were indeed awful. Does any airline have 8 abreast on their 787s?

steve-o

john boye wrote: »

The difference between that and the B772s used atm will be like night and day.

Business class may be better, but 9 across on a 787 is just as unpleasant as 10 across on a 777.

kevinandrew

john boye wrote: »

trellheim wrote: »

Is not the seat pitch supposedly absolutely pox ?

I was referring more to the Polaris product up front. I don't know what the economy seat pitch is like but I've flown on 9-abreast B787s twice (not with United) and the seats were indeed awful. Does any airline have 8 abreast on their 787s?

The Japanese carries ANA and JAL both opted for 8 abreast, I believe JAL has it on all aircraft but ANA has a mix of 8 and 9 abreast.

Kev11491

steve-o wrote: »

Business class may be better, but 9 across on a 787 is just as unpleasant as 10 across on a 777.

At least there will be seat back IFE.

JCX BXC

What capacity change will this have?

john boye

JCX BXC wrote: »

What capacity change will this have?

Will surely be quite a drop if those 772s are in domestic config.

Third_Echelon

steve-o wrote: »

Business class may be better, but 9 across on a 787 is just as unpleasant as 10 across on a 777.

Yeah, 3-3-3 on the Dreamliner (BA) was the most uncomfortable flight I have ever been on. Poxy IFE power box also taking up a good proportion of the under seat foot area too (window seat). Couldn't put your legs out straight at all. Knee was in bits after the flight (Heathrow -> Toronto).

goingnowhere

john boye wrote: »

I was referring more to the Polaris product up front. I don't know what the economy seat pitch is like but I've flown on 9-abreast B787s twice (not with United) and the seats were indeed awful. Does any airline have 8 abreast on their 787s?

JAL does

Nijmegen

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Yeah, 3-3-3 on the Dreamliner (BA) was the most uncomfortable flight I have ever been on. Poxy IFE power box also taking up a good proportion of the under seat foot area too (window seat). Couldn't put your legs out straight at all. Knee was in bits after the flight (Heathrow -> Toronto).

787 economy as most airlines fly it is just awful in economy. Too many seats crammed in, narrow armrests etc it just negates any benefit of the pressure difference or the big windows. But alas that is just the economy experience all over. I think premium economy (aka, economy from 10-15 years ago) is going to be driving a lot of value for airlines compared to the seat conditions down the back as we move forward.

New Polaris is the business, if you’re lucky to be flying it. Delta’s new suites are the top of the bunch but I’d say United with proper Polaris is better than anything on Dub US routes today, including AA’s 787

Idbatterim

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/united-to-deploy-latest-dreamliner-on-dublin-route-1.3697845?mode=amp

315 capacity. I’m assuming that is a better experience than an a330 Aer Lingus ?

Third_Echelon

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/united-to-deploy-latest-dreamliner-on-dublin-route-1.3697845?mode=amp

315 capacity. I’m assuming that is a better experience than an a330 Aer Lingus ?

Same capacity as the A330-300, but sounds like it will have a lot more business and premium economy seats.

United will configure its 787-10s to hold 318 seats, including 44 of its new “Polaris” lie-flat business-class seats and 21 international-style “Premium Plus” premium economy seats. There also will be 54 extra-legroom Economy Plus seats and 199 in standard coach.

- https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2018/11/14/united-airlines-boeing-787-10-fly-six-international-cities/1998789002/

Aer Lingus A330-300 is 287 Economy + 30 Business.

goingnowhere

I'd say the A330 will be more comfortable, 9 across in the 787 is not fun

318 seats and it’s a reduction of 46 seats a 16% capacity reduction.

Nijmegen

Deleted User wrote: »

318 seats and it’s a reduction of 46 seats a 16% capacity reduction.

I'd say they'll make it up in the extra legroom, premium economy and biz seats.

Jamie2k9

Ryanair add x2 weekly Kiev begining in May.

Noxegon

Preemptive strike against Ukraine International, I suspect.

I may well use this. Timings are good for a weekend break and Kiev is not a bad place.

Tenger

Deleted User wrote: »

318 seats and it’s a reduction of 46 seats a 16% capacity reduction.

This is a great example of airline economics.
The new aircraft will offer 16% less seats but the remaining 84% will be more heavily weighted towards the premium side of things.
United have 2 domestic B777 configs: 28/102/234 or 50/80/162. I believe it was the former that operated to Dublin.
Looking at those 2 'domestic' configs you can see that 22 J class and 22 Y+ are equal in space to 72 Economy seats.

United will configure its 787-10s to hold 318 seats, including 44 of its new “Polaris” lie-flat business-class seats and 21 international-style “Premium Plus” premium economy seats. There also will be 54 extra-legroom Economy Plus seats and 199 in standard coach.
So the B787-10 will be an increase in J Class revenue (depending on the United ratio of FFP upgrades)While it does offer less Prem Economy seats there is the opportunity for increased revenue as those who dont book Premium Economy may well be inclined to pay for the extra legroom seats. (what I would call Economy Plus)

Nijmegen

Tenger wrote: »

While it does offer less Prem Economy seats there is the opportunity for increased revenue as those who dont book Premium Economy may well be inclined to pay for the extra legroom seats. (what I would call Economy Plus)

Does United do a proper premium economy, I didn't think they do? I thought it just did the "economy plus", aka more legroom. According to Seatguru for the 777 running Newark:

Economy Plus is offered on this aircraft type. Economy Plus is not a separate class of service but is standard economy with up to 5 inches of extra legroom. These seats are located nearer to the front of the aircraft and passengers in this section will be served first.

Loads of airlines passing off the same economy seat with some extra legroom. It's width that's worth paying for in my opinion, otherwise I'm just gonna buy an exit row seat. Air Canada for example has a proper offering here on the 788, 19.5" vs 17.3" in economy as well as the added 7" of pitch. 2-3-2 config vs 3-3-3.

But yes, United's move is gonna get them revenue with fewer seats.

Ireland trains

Any chance they will brink back 2nd newark flight, upgrade capacity on other routes or start flights to a new destination.
Where would be the most likley place united would lauch flights to

lynchie

Nijmegen wrote: »

Does United do a proper premium economy, I didn't think they do? I thought it just did the "economy plus", aka more legroom. According to Seatguru for the 777 running Newark:



Loads of airlines passing off the same economy seat with some extra legroom. It's width that's worth paying for in my opinion, otherwise I'm just gonna buy an exit row seat. Air Canada for example has a proper offering here on the 788, 19.5" vs 17.3" in economy as well as the added 7" of pitch. 2-3-2 config vs 3-3-3.

But yes, United's move is gonna get them revenue with fewer seats.

They are doing the same as AA did when they introduced premium economy. Being sold as same service as economy with free upgrades for elites until enough of the aircraft are retrofitted with the new seats.


They are different seats and widths: 2-3-2 vs 2-4-2 on the 787 and 2-4-2 vs 3-4-3 on the 777

Claiomh

Have Aer Lingus cut back on German flights in response to Ryanair? It seems that the DUB-HAM route has lost the morning flight for January.

rio1

Interesting. They have stopped their Stuttgart flight also. It was always seasonal but I can’t see anything for early next summer even and the last two years I’ve flown there in the summer months with Aer Lingus.

Frankfurt flight back to Dublin has also had its departure time brought back. Used be just before 9, now before 8, I was wondering if it was to compete with Ryanair now they are flying to actual Frankfurt rather than Hahn.

Locker10a

I think EI changing flight times or tampering with flight schedules is probably more to do with them offering connections to/from their US network which has been a real winner for them. I wouldn’t heed scheduling reductions in January it’s a very very low performing month for airlines, most would cut back a lot. Also summer schedules may not be finalised yet so give it a few months yet before the final schedule is published

Kev11491

lynchie wrote: »

They are doing the same as AA did when they introduced premium economy. Being sold as same service as economy with free upgrades for elites until enough of the aircraft are retrofitted with the new seats.


They are different seats and widths: 2-3-2 vs 2-4-2 on the 787 and 2-4-2 vs 3-4-3 on the 777

3-3-3 in economy on the American 787

trellheim

AA 787-8 Main Cabin 31-33 pitch 16.2-18.1 width
AA 787-9 Main Cabin 31 seat pitch 16.2-17.2 width

all 3-3-3

For comparison

EI A330-300 V2 31-32 pitch 17 width 2-4-2

Although looking at SIA 787-10 its 32 pitch and 19 width which looks nice

marno21

WestJet announced seasonal daily 737 MAX service from Dublin to Halifax

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/westjet-to-launch-seasonal-non-stop-service-to-dublin-from-halifax-701072381.html

29 April 2019 - 25 October 2019.

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

WestJet announced seasonal daily 737 MAX service from Dublin to Halifax

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/westjet-to-launch-seasonal-non-stop-service-to-dublin-from-halifax-701072381.html

29 April 2019 - 25 October 2019.

St. John’s cancelled however

ongarboy

Ireland trains wrote: »

Any chance they will brink back 2nd newark flight, upgrade capacity on other routes or start flights to a new destination.
Where would be the most likley place united would lauch flights to

Houston and San Francisco are other UA hubs. I don't see a pent up demand for Houston, particularly as the new AA DFW route will satisfy a lot of Texas bound Irish passengers next year. SFO probably could absorb a competitor route to EI considering the Bay Area has such strong Irish diaspora, tourism and Tech connections so SFO would be my bet if UA were to add a new destination!

theguzman

ongarboy wrote: »

Houston and San Francisco are other UA hubs. I don't see a pent up demand for Houston, particularly as the new AA DFW route will satisfy a lot of Texas bound Irish passengers next year. SFO probably could absorb a competitor route to EI considering the Bay Area has such strong Irish diaspora, tourism and Tech connections so SFO would be my bet if UA were to add a new destination!

Houston offers connections to Brazil albeit requiring a transit visa , DUB-IAH-Brazil would be a winner for the considerable sized Brazilian student and immigrant population in Dublin now.

Stephen Strange

theguzman wrote: »

Houston offers connections to Brazil albeit requiring a transit visa , DUB-IAH-Brazil would be a winner for the considerable sized Brazilian student and immigrant population in Dublin now.

TAP are launching a route to DUB, nobody will be competing with them on the market from Brazil.

theguzman

Stephen Strange wrote: »

TAP are launching a route to DUB, nobody will be competing with them on the market from Brazil.

Much faster via Lisbon too.

WishUWereHere

theguzman wrote: »

Much faster via Lisbon too.

Was on holiday in Lisbon 2 weeks ago. Flew into T2 & out T1. Must say, it was a pleasure travelling both in & out.

Not sure if there would be any difference if transitting though.

L1011

LIS has capacity issues and isn't quite as fun in peak summer

Chris_5339762

Most Brazilians living here, as far as I know, transit via Amsterdam.

PlaneLover

Hey all,

Couple of random Dublin Airport Questions... (sorry if this is the wrong place - assumed it falls under general chat!)

Recently started working on the Dublin Airport Campus, and have an Airside pass. Would frequently go for a dander around the terminals during my lunch. I was wondering what the room with frosted windows is on the arrivals level of T2, before Irish immigration, on the left hand side (looking from the immigration queue area) of the corridor which links to pier 3?

Do the lifts from T2 from departures lounge level to pier 4 stop at arrivals? I see the button there but doesn't seem to work! Would be a quick short cut out after a coffee!

What happens when you're refused CBP? Do they walk you up through the staff passage ways to the Arrivals hall? Or just throw you out at the entrance to CBP in pier 4?

Thanks!