Sleeper cars

PaulKK

tedpan wrote: »

None of those German cars are sleepers. They look like they're going to be quick..

To a lesser extent non car enthusiasts presume all BMWs and Audi's are 'fast' also so they can't be classed as sleepers IMO.

I'd regard something like this as a sleeper:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-golf-v6-2000/15646576

A car that's usually 'invisible' like a golf or corolla or primera that packs a punch.

MarkN

s15r330 wrote: »

I had a starlet that probably would have made a show of both of those, so sorry yourself!

535d has more torque than an M5 before the remap, nevermind after. I'm sure the Starlet would have many advantages such as weight etc but "a show" I think we'd all have to witness it.

s15r330

MarkN wrote: »

535d has more torque than an M5 before the remap, nevermind after. I'm sure the Starlet would have many advantages such as weight etc but "a show" I think we'd all have to witness it.

A starlet with 298bhp that weighed just over 850kg vs a 535d with say 340bhp? and weighing close to 1900kg.

372bhp/tonne starlet against 179bhp/tonne 535d.

The bmw's torque would surely have it off the line quicker but as soon as the starlet came on boost forget it.

wotswattage

These Mazda 6 MPS's comes in completely below 95% of peoples radar.

AWD
260bhp 380Nm
Blends in with the crowd, though there are noticeable differences if you go looking.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-6-mps-awd-260bhp-2-year-nct/15179330

Supergurrier

s15r330 wrote: »

I had a starlet that probably would have made a show of both of those, so sorry yourself!

I've had a couple fast hatchbacks myself and as i said not a sleeper as any turbo hatch making big power will have a 3 inch exhaust system which will make it very noticible when on boost as you say

Same reason i don't consider my old S4 avant to have been a sleeper even though parked it was, because you would have to be deaf to think so.

grogi

wotswattage wrote: »

These Mazda 6 MPS's comes in completely below 95% of peoples radar.

That is opposite of a sleeper...



Lovely car though.

IrishZeus

Cant find one on sale to link to but my past Insignia would be borderline sleeper. 2.0l Turbo, 220BHP.

Didnt stand out to look at but left many a car surprised at the lights

s15r330

IrishZeus wrote: »

Cant find one on sale to link to but my past Insignia would be borderline sleeper. 2.0l Turbo, 220BHP.

Didnt stand out to look at but left many a car surprised at the lights

Mental tax though!

elperello

Phaeton W12 all day long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp8KYtj3QeY

bazz26

Passat 4.0 litre W8, take away the badges and it looks like just another smokey Passat TDi:

bladespin

bazz26 wrote:

Passat 4.0 litre W8, take away the badges and it looks like just another smokey Passat TDi:

Perfect example

Carpentry

Subaru Forester 2.5 AWD with looks of a farmers SUV, especially older one with two-tone exterior. 0-60 in 6.3 sec

elperello

bazz26 wrote: »

Passat 4.0 litre W8, take away the badges and it looks like just another smokey Passat TDi:

No way it's got to be a W12 Volks-Bentley!

If you really want to confuse the boys at the mart put on a towbar dress it up with Al Hayes stickers and plates.

selectamatic

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2jz-lexus-is300-read-add/15934290




Lexus is300 estate n/a 2jz 210bhp and to almost everyone it'll look like a run of the mill auto 2.0

Lots of tuning potential too if a person wanted to make a serious sleeper.

Reventon93

elperello wrote: »

Phaeton W12 all day long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp8KYtj3QeY

There was a 3l TDI hanging around here a few months ago. Had no idea what it was till i googled it. Would definitely be a sleeper, but this one had all the badges on the back.

John_Rambo

Are Volvo the masters of sleepers? I've always had a hankering for a V70R. None for sale in Ireland, but they're a cracker sleeper car.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/volvo/v70/volvo-v70-2-5-r-geartronic-5dr/7025438

Someone on boards.ie had one from Beshoffs in Howth with orange nappa seats. I almost bought it before them.

tedpan

John_Rambo wrote:

Are Volvo the masters of sleepers? I've always had a hankering for a V70R. None for sale in Ireland, but they're a cracker sleeper car.

Like it. The only let down is the rear end and the lightweight racing alloys.. They make it look like a beast

Carpentry

Continuing with Volvo theme.... Volvo V50 T5. 2.5 petrol AWD with 220 BHP, 0-60 6.9 sec

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/v50-t5-volvo-estate-65-000miles-nct-taxed/15564494

Reventon93

This could be a decent contender. No badges on the back. Looks like a normal wagon. Hidden inside is a 4.2l

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-s4-quattro/14400924

Or this older 728i

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-728i-sport/15685480

draiochtanois

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E36Ross

A BMW or Merc can never really be a sleeper....
It needs to be a common boring bread and butter car that no one would blink an eye at.




It has a 550bhp Cosworth YB.




Google the Royal Nail Van.

Reventon93

In terms of looking at them, i'd assume run of the mill cars. I know little to nothing about audi/BMW so if i saw thoses with no badges i would assume 1.8/2l max.

Carpentry

Reventon93 wrote: »

In terms of looking at them, i'd assume run of the mill cars. I know little to nothing about audi/BMW so if i saw thoses with no badges i would assume 1.8/2l max.

So after seeing any 5m long car you would assume that is being run by 1.8l engine ? You for real ?

Reventon93

Carpentry wrote: »

So after seeing any 5m long car you would assume that is being run by 1.8l engine ? You for real ?

Well unless donedeal is wrong, i count everything but 5 audi wagons with a 2l engine or under, when i look them up.

bladespin

Reventon93 wrote: »

Well unless donedeal is wrong, i count everything but 5 audi wagons with a 2l engine or under, when i look them up.

Irish imagination for you right there

Carpentry

Reventon93 wrote: »

Well unless donedeal is wrong, i count everything but 5 audi wagons with a 2l engine or under, when i look them up.

Well equivalent to BMW 7 series is in Audi A8, hard impossible to find one with less than 2l engine.

wotswattage

To be fair, all of the 'S' Audis could be considered sleeper cars as the vast vast majority of the population would guess that they have 2.0tdi engines and wouldn't look twice at one.

Any S-line with twin exhausts would be hard for joe public to tell apart from something with real pedigree. Same for most of the AMG mercs.

Even yesterday I walked past a black S4 avant with two friends and commented 'serious car'. They said 'what do you mean it's just an a4 estate?!?' their Jaws dropped when I explained it had a 4.2 v8 under the bonnet!! They couldn't believe it and first comment was about the tax on it...

Supergurrier

draiochtanois wrote: »

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True, this is what my old one sounded like with some exhaust work, still had 2 cats

You would want to be deaf.

tedpan

Carpentry wrote:

Well equivalent to BMW 7 series is in Audi A8, hard to find one with less than 2l engine.

Huh? The smallest 7 series or A8 is a 2.8 litre petrol. It's been that way for 30 or so years

I'd say hard to find is a bit of an understatement :-D

Carpentry

tedpan wrote: »

Huh? The smallest 7 series or A8 is a 2.8 litre petrol. It's been that way for 30 or so years

I'd say hard to find is a bit of an understatement :-D

That was meant to be a bit of an irony but fixed that for you know

tossy

wotswattage wrote: »

To be fair, all of the 'S' Audis could be considered sleeper cars as the vast vast majority of the population would guess that they have 2.0tdi engines and wouldn't look twice at one.

Any S-line with twin exhausts would be hard for joe public to tell apart from something with real pedigree. Same for most of the AMG mercs.

Even yesterday I walked past a black S4 avant with two friends and commented 'serious car'. They said 'what do you mean it's just an a4 estate?!?' their Jaws dropped when I explained it had a 4.2 v8 under the bonnet!! They couldn't believe it and first comment was about the tax on it...

I wouldn't class an S model as a sleeper but then my real world experience is most people think mine is a diesel. Ireland is a hard one to jusdge though in terms of car heads, most people who know what it is will spot the signs on any fast car .

In my experience of Ireland and i guess i've owned a few sleepers ..


People assume it's a diesel.
Then when the find out it's petrol they ask why.
They assume it would be slower because it's petrol.

Cienciano

Here's the bog standard Rover 75 2Litre diesel:



And here's the 4.6 Litre petrol rwd v8 limited to 155mph. Only difference on the outside is the 4 exhausts (which are fairly hidden), the small V8 badge on the side and some had an extended grille on the front.

Carpentry

Cienciano wrote: »

Here's the bog standard Rover 75 2Litre diesel:

And here's the 4.6 Litre petrol rwd v8 limited to 155mph. Only difference on the outside is the 4 exhausts (which are fairly hidden), the small V8 badge on the side and some had an extended grille on the front.

the ONLY ? Id say thats more than only. You see the car with quad exhaust you can tell straight away that is seriously powered, especially when you join it together with V8 badge. Not to mention the sound of it.

wotswattage

tossy wrote: »

I wouldn't class an S model as a sleeper but then my real world experience is most people think mine is a diesel. Ireland is a hard one to jusdge though in terms of car heads, most people who know what it is will spot the signs on any fast car .

In my experience of Ireland and i guess i've owned a few sleepers ..


People assume it's a diesel.
Then when the find out it's petrol they ask why.
They assume it would be slower because it's petrol.

I agree fully, what we consider a sleeper vs what the general public wouldn't be able to spot are two different things...

Most people would consider a 2.0tdi a high performance car!

mloc123

Carpentry wrote: »

Cienciano wrote: »

Here's the bog standard Rover 75 2Litre diesel:

And here's the 4.6 Litre petrol rwd v8 limited to 155mph. Only difference on the outside is the 4 exhausts (which are fairly hidden), the small V8 badge on the side and some had an extended grille on the front.

the ONLY ? Id say thats more than only. You see the car with quad exhaust you can tell straight away that is seriously powered, especially when you join it together with V8 badge. Not to mention the sound of it.

Plenty of dual/quad exhaust 150bhp Audis knocking about... in fact I would say most new 'sport' trim cars have some kind of fake exhaust.

Sexual Chocolate

mloc123 wrote: »

Plenty of dual/quad exhaust 150bhp Audis knocking about... in fact I would say most new 'sport' trim cars have some kind of fake exhaust.

Sure the i40 has a dual exhaust

Carpentry

mloc123 wrote: »

Carpentry wrote: »

Plenty of dual/quad exhaust 150bhp Audis knocking about... in fact I would say most new 'sport' trim cars have some kind of fake exhaust.

Dual/Quad ??? Its quite a difference, actually double the difference between dual and quad.

Carpentry

Mercedes A200 Turbo 196 bhp with kerb weight 1305kg its a rocket.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/mercedes-benz/mercedes-a200-turbo-black-manual-a-class-immaculate-condition/1183144139

mloc123

Carpentry wrote: »

Mercedes A200 Turbo 196 bhp with kerb weight 1305kg its a rocket.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/mercedes-benz/mercedes-a200-turbo-black-manual-a-class-immaculate-condition/1183144139

8 seconds to 60.. hardly a Rocket. About average compared to almost all new 2l diesel family cars

fancy pigeon

I fitted a turbo from an E300TD and mongrel pump to my old 406. Surprised many cars on the road

Going to go with a vnt in due time though

I do love a good sleeper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQh7yZs-1Xw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMHiLdTAia4

Oh no, E36 beaten by a little Seicento

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVBMlYWWcvc

Carpentry

mloc123 wrote: »

8 seconds to 60.. hardly a Rocket. About average compared to almost all new 2l diesel family cars

and ONLY 280 Nm of torque, yeah, that is slow, I guess you got a car that will do better.
Do your maths before posting, seriously. I guess you are from the crowd that would be easily cheated by the sleepers car.

grogi

Carpentry wrote: »

and ONLY 280 Nm of torque, yeah, that is slow, I guess you got a car that will do better.
Do your maths before posting, seriously. I guess you are from the crowd that will be easily cheated by the sleepers car.

Torque figure alone is meaningless.

mloc123

Carpentry wrote: »

mloc123 wrote: »

Dual/Quad ??? Its quite a difference, actually double the difference between dual and quad.

A car with quad exhausts generally has twin back boxes.. right?

A dual backbox with letterbox tips is the same as a dual backbox with split tips like this IMO

mloc123

Carpentry wrote: »

and ONLY 280 Nm of torque, yeah, that is slow, I guess you got a car that will do better.
Do your maths before posting, seriously. I guess you are from the crowd that would be easily cheated by the sleepers car.

haha.. as it happens, I do

350Nm, 5.8 to 62 etc.. I wouldn't class it as 'a rocket' tho

Carpentry

mloc123 wrote: »

Carpentry wrote: »

A car with quad exhausts generally has twin back boxes.. right?

A dual backbox with letterbox tips is the same as a dual backbox with split tips like this IMO

thats an aftermarket exaust, not manufacturers spec.

Carpentry

mloc123 wrote: »

haha.. as it happens, I do

350Nm, 5.8 to 62 etc.. I wouldn't class it as 'a rocket' tho

Skoda SuperB its a hardly a rocket too, even on 19" wheels

mloc123

Carpentry wrote: »

Skoda SuperB its a hardly a rocket too, even on 19" wheels

Indeed.. hence why I say I would not classify it a rocket.

heroics

something like this

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-e34-fitted-with-m3-3-2-engine-s50b32-3-0-m3-m5/15688364

the S50B32 engine produces ~320 bhp and 258 lb·ft

To me sleeper cars should be unmodified cars.

The epitome of the concept has to be the Volvo 850r.

morritty

glasso wrote: »

To me sleeper cars should be unmodified cars.

Personally for me, it should be a modified car, a sleeper should shock even the biggest car people out there.

For me, this would be a classic example. http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/01/want-good-sleeper-try-brick-shaped-supra/