Sleeper cars

cruizer101

I thought the thread was mean to be links to Sleeper cars for sale as opposed to a debate on what a sleeper car is which has discussed plenty of times before and is something people will never agree on. Some people think a C55 AMG is a sleeper as most people won't see it as different to a bog standard C-class, some think its not a sleeper as it says C55 on it so isn't it obvious its fast, most people won't change their mind on this so its a bit of a pointless debate. Also there aren't that many modified sleepers for sale I would think.

Better I think to post links to actual sleeper cars for sales, or at least cars that you would consider sleeper cars that are for sale and maybe it can be discussed then, it is the Buying forum after all.

Personally I'd consider these sleepers E 500 and S55, both are giving a hell of a lot of bang for your buck and would surprise a lot of people.

Also thought I'd include this 500 SEL, lovely looking car and I'd say plenty of poke for its age.

bladespin

morritty wrote: »

Personally for me, it should be a modified car, a sleeper should shock even the biggest car people out there.

For me, this would be a classic example. http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/01/want-good-sleeper-try-brick-shaped-supra/

That is truly awesome!

Cienciano

Carpentry wrote: »

the ONLY ? Id say thats more than only. You see the car with quad exhaust you can tell straight away that is seriously powered, especially when you join it together with V8 badge. Not to mention the sound of it.

No, no other difference on the outside. Some don't have the big grille. The v8 badge is tiny. Exhausts you might notice. You wouldn't notice from the sound of it unless you put the foot to the floor.
The engine takes up so much room in the engine bay they had to put the battery in the boot.

morritty

OSI wrote: »

This is the buying forum, and the spirit of this thread was to be similar to that of the Luxobarges thread. Posts should be limited to links to relevant cars for sale, and discussions of same.

Might be better to rename the title sleepernomics? or something to that effect? just to keep it on par with the other threads?

tedpan

heroics wrote:

something like this

heroics wrote:

the S50B32 engine produces ~320 bhp and 258 lb·ft

Lol, the ad says the 3.2 litre M3 engine is taken from a 3.0 M3.. the trickery

heroics

tedpan wrote: »

Lol, the ad says the 3.2 litre M3 engine is taken from a 3.0 M3.. the trickery

:D:D The idea is still what I class as a sleeper.

selectamatic

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ford-transit-st-sport-now-with-6-months-road-tax/15477640

165bhp transit
Nothing too hectic but it'd be enough to surprise a fair few cars on the road especially since it's a van.

Really needs a set of Steelies and the sport badges removed to go full stealth.

Standard Toaster

Ford S-max 2.5T

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rl77ckJ7dA

Teddington Cuddlesworth

I'd say these classify as sleepers.
Other than bigger alloys and a slightly different grill, most people would be hard pushed to distinguish it from the average 1.3/1.6

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mazda-3-mps/15878058

Although, the red color doesn't help my case. If it was done in the usual drab mazda 3 color....

Duke O Smiley

selectamatic wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ford-transit-st-sport-now-with-6-months-road-tax/15477640

165bhp transit
Nothing too hectic but it'd be enough to surprise a fair few cars on the road especially since it's a van.

Really needs a set of Steelies and the sport badges removed to go full stealth.

TSW Venoms! Class

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-550i/15974497



550i

tedpan

That 550i is nice, but if it shot off in front of me from the lights I wouldn't be shocked. Not really a sleeper in my opinion.

bazz26

Take off the 550i badge though and it just blends in with the other million 520ds on the road.

Odyssey 2005

That 550 is lovely. But nearly 2.5k for tax
Them greens have a lot to answer for.

B00056718

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs-450-hybrid-executive-nct-just-passed-/15507180

Just another old man's Lexus. Won't be far behind the 550i on takeoff. Not many people realize the amount of power in these.

MAJJ

bazz26 wrote: »

Take off the 550i badge though and it just blends in with the other million 520ds on the road.

Especially with the hitch on it.

MAJJ

B00056718 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs-450-hybrid-executive-nct-just-passed-/15507180

Just another old man's Lexus. Won't be far behind the 550i on takeoff. Not many people realize the amount of power in these.

To continue the Lexus theme

The power in these for similar reason as the 450H really surprised me and the look shape of car never gave it away.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-lexus-rx400h-massive-spec-nct-2019-unreal-value/14943145

selectamatic

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-b-class-b-200-turbo-/12905755

Manual and about 200bhp. Looks very sedated even for a warm mpv.


And then for me this is even better than a normal sleeper especially in Ireland. Altezza's have a bad rep and many many car enthusiasts loathe them. They're also not that fast about 200bhp on Irish fuel when they're healthy but there's a fierce amount of lazy wrecked ones knocking about putting out alot less and they're a good heavy car for a revy 2.0n/a to shift along.

All this culminates in basically anyone in a car that's anyways near 200bhp or higher trying to make a bit of a show of said Tezza pilots should they be in command of a lazy 3sge diffin wagon or even worse a tarted up is200.

Step forward: 1jz altezza
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-altezza-1jzmanual/15534011

colm_mcm

Off topic, but that strut brace doesn't look like it would do a very good job?

tedpan

colm_mcm wrote:

Off topic, but that strut brace doesn't look like it would do a very good job?

Lol, does look like it will fold

bear1

tedpan wrote: »

That 550i is nice, but if it shot off in front of me from the lights I wouldn't be shocked. Not really a sleeper in my opinion.

Not sure how a regular 5 series with a 5 litre V8 under the bonnet wouldn't be classed as a sleeper.
Stick a 520d badge at the back and you wouldn't look twice.

James Bond Junior

bear1 wrote: »

Not sure how a regular 5 series with a 5 litre V8 under the bonnet wouldn't be classed as a sleeper.
Stick a 520d badge at the back and you wouldn't look twice.

The only thing is the twin exhaust which those in the know will assume it's a 535d at the very most. And us in the know would get some surprise from that.

I have a 2.5 petrol e36 with a single exhaust and it's debadged. I've had a few laaaads in tdi pisshats and the like take me on thinking it's a 318is and I've eaten them up and spit them out. Maybe not a sleeper but enough to surprise people.

Bushmanpm

Going back a few years I used to have a Ford 100E 2 door Popular in red oxide (I kinda liked the colour so just left it!)
Externally, apart from the Mk IV Cortina steels it looked like a bog standard grandads Sunday motor.
Internally it had a Pinto 2 litre breathing through a Weber twin choke on a 2L Capri axle and front clip. It used to fishtail like a startled dolphin and at 'ye olde traffic lights grand prix' it would absolutely devastate any XR3i or Golf GTi. Much fun was had with that one.
THAT is what a sleeper is and is all about.

Teddington Cuddlesworth

James Bond Junior wrote: »

The only thing is the twin exhaust which those in the know will assume it's a 535d at the very most. And us in the know would get some surprise from that.

I have a 2.5 petrol e36 with a single exhaust and it's debadged. I've had a few laaaads in tdi pisshats and the like take me on thinking it's a 318is and I've eaten them up and spit them out. Maybe not a sleeper but enough to surprise people.

That's a great sounding engine. Particularly with the original exhaust around 4k rpm.

James Bond Junior

Teddington Cuddlesworth wrote: »

That's a great sounding engine. Particularly with the original exhaust around 4k rpm.

Once the roar kicks in after 3.5k revs there is nothing like it! A nice change when used to the narrow band of a diesel

Micky 32

I'd consider my own car a sleeper. An ordinary looking Highline Passat TDI with 290bhp, 600nm torque( was 240 standard but got a slight remapp) Easily does 0-62 5-5.5 secs and top speed 150-160mph. It just blends in with the rest of the 1.6s, insurance reasonable on it too :-)

tossy

MAJJ wrote: »

To continue the Lexus theme

The power in these for similar reason as the 450H really surprised me and the look shape of car never gave it away.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-lexus-rx400h-massive-spec-nct-2019-unreal-value/14943145

I met a guy on the M7 a few weeks ago in one of them who tried to play the sleeper card , i guess he figured he'd show the little white TDI A3 who was boss.

bear1

600nm?!

extra-ordinary_

bear1 wrote: »

600nm?!

They're 500nm stock.

bear1

Not doubting it just a massive amount of torque.
It's the bi turbo?

bidiots

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I have a 2.5 petrol e36 with a single exhaust and it's debadged. I've had a few laaaads in tdi pisshats and the like take me on thinking it's a 318is and I've eaten them up and spit them out. Maybe not a sleeper but enough to surprise people.

Got to be honest here, that paragraph - ****ing cringe.

James Bond Junior

bidiots wrote: »

Got to be honest here, that paragraph - ****ing cringe.

Why?

Tigger

I have a cx-7 for farting round the wife and kid and shopping
It's a 2.3 MPs running gear and engine defined for torque at 244bhp
Its got funny in gear acceleration

Teddington Cuddlesworth

Tigger wrote: »

I have a cx-7 for farting round the wife and kid and shopping
It's a 2.3 MPs running gear and engine defined for torque at 244bhp
Its got funny in gear acceleration

As in the ratios?

It's the same in the 3 sport, sitting at 120kph in top gear and it's revving somewhere between 3.5 and 4k

Tigger

Teddington Cuddlesworth wrote: »

As in the ratios?

It's the same in the 3 sport, sitting at 120kph in top gear and it's revving somewhere between 3.5 and 4k

The three sport is a beast I'd say
Think I'd like a 6 on decent suspension

Teddington Cuddlesworth

The 3 mps is something else, had a lend of one for a couple weeks a year ago.
The 3 sport is only 150/160bhp, it's no slouch but it's nothing like the mps.

Very strange gearing in the 5 speed gearbox, it's really not made for motorway driving.
It's great fun on windy B roads, I don't know if it's standard but the one I picked up has very subtle negative camber on the front wheels. Just enough to notice as you really push it through a corner.

Tigger

Teddington Cuddlesworth wrote: »

The 3 mps is something else, had a lend of one for a couple weeks a year ago.
The 3 sport is only 150/160bhp, it's no slouch but it's nothing like the mps.

Very strange gearing in the 5 speed gearbox, it's really not made for motorway driving.
It's great fun on windy B roads, I don't know if it's standard but the one I picked up has very subtle negative camber on the front wheels. Just enough to notice as you really push it through a corner.

Yeah it's the 3mps or 6 mps I was meaning
The cx-7 is very easy to drive fast but you could lose the run of yourself very easily going into bends too fast cos you don't feel it

tedpan

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

They're 500nm stock.

Eh no.. I had the 170BHP Passat, that was 350nm stock

http://www.parkers.co.uk/volkswagen/passat/saloon-2005/20-sport-tdi-(170ps)-4d/specs/

Which Passat are you talking about?

mloc123

tedpan wrote: »

Eh no.. I had the 170BHP Passat, that was 350nm stock

http://www.parkers.co.uk/volkswagen/passat/saloon-2005/20-sport-tdi-(170ps)-4d/specs/

Which Passat are you talking about?

http://www.parkers.co.uk/volkswagen/passat/saloon-2015/r-line-(panoramic-sunroof)-20-bitdi-scr-bmt-240ps-4motion-dsg-auto-4d/specs/

IrishZeus

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/opel-insignia-2-0i-16v-turbo-sri/15793025



2.0l Turbo, 220BHP. 0-60, 7.2 seconds.

bazz26

Wasn't that your old car?

IrishZeus

bazz26 wrote: »

Wasn't that your old car?

Similar - I had the Elite spec rather than the SRi spec. Same engine. Great car to drive, very comfy and very quick.

Oddly enough the reg numbers are very similar given there would not have been many of these engines in the country - mine was 08D69205 vs the above 08D69201

bazz26

Probably Opel Ireland launch cars I'd say.

bear1

Colleague has one and the petrol costs drive him to tears.

Brian?

bear1 wrote: »

Colleague has one and the petrol costs drive him to tears.

Can't be that bad on petrol, surely? What mpg?

bear1

Brian? wrote: »

Can't be that bad on petrol, surely? What mpg?

Think he said he struggles to get less than 11 per 100km.
The though you surely couldn't expect it to sip petrol.

D Trent

Sleeper alert

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/chrysler-300c-le-5-7l-hemi-4dr-nct-10-17/15578349

IrishZeus

bear1 wrote: »

Think he said he struggles to get less than 11 per 100km.
The though you surely couldn't expect it to sip petrol.

I averaged 11.5l/100km so about 20mpg.

On a long motorway run, it would drop to about 9l/100km or 26mpg.

Very heavy car on petrol.

tedpan

IrishZeus wrote:

I averaged 11.5l/100km so about 20mpg.

IrishZeus wrote:

On a long motorway run, it would drop to about 9l/100km or 26mpg.

IrishZeus wrote:

Very heavy car on petrol.

What car have you owned that's not heavy on petrol?? :-D

bladespin

IrishZeus wrote: »

I averaged 11.5l/100km so about 20mpg.

On a long motorway run, it would drop to about 9l/100km or 26mpg.

Very heavy car on petrol.

That's not too bad compared to some of the 'petrol' cars I've had, one would struggle to get to 21mpg on a motorway run lol (didn't last long - lovely car though).