Limerick rugby experience

BazzFan123

Skyscrapercity and that person said they saw it in the planning documents

Stab*City

What is the point of this building?

Mc Love

Stab*City wrote: »

What is the point of this building?

To house an experience of Limerick Rugby and Rugby in general

Stab*City

Mc Love wrote: »

To house an experience of Limerick Rugby and Rugby in general

Why just rugby though? Can it be expanded to include other sports?

The Lost Sheep

Stab*City wrote: »

Why just rugby though? Can it be expanded to include other sports?

Because of the history of rugby in the city.
Why should it have to include other sports? With so much of Munster rugbys links to the city and success of Munster Rugby rugby should be prime focus.
What cities have general sports museum focusing on all sports achievements?

Cookiemunster

Stab*City wrote: »

Why just rugby though? Can it be expanded to include other sports?

Because it's a private investor and they can do whatever they want.

Stab*City

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Because of the history of rugby in the city.
Why should it have to include other sports? With so much of Munster rugbys links to the city and success of Munster Rugby rugby should be prime focus.
What cities have general sports museum focusing on all sports achievements?

Do Cork have one?

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Because it's a private investor and they can do whatever they want.

Ok so that's why then. Must be a big rugby fan.

The Lost Sheep

Stab*City wrote: »

Do Cork have one?

There isnt a museum in Cork for any sport/sporting organisation

Ok so that's why then. Must be a big rugby fan.

He's a sports fan. Doesnt differentiate from all accounts. Huge racing. Limerick GAA fan as well.

Cookiemunster

Stab*City wrote: »

Do Cork have one?


Ok so that's why then. Must be a big rugby fan.

Why would Cork have one? This is intended to be unique. It isn't intended to be a Limerick only/specific experience. It's called International Rugby Experience specifically because it's not about the history on Limerick rugby, it's about the history of the sport in general.

Stab*City

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Why would Cork have one? This is intended to be unique. It isn't intended to be a Limerick only/specific experience. It's called International Rugby Experience specifically because it's not about the history on Limerick rugby, it's about the history of the sport in general.

Oh right, Fair enough. Wonder will it be popular with people outside of Limerick other than match days.

Mc Love

Stab*City wrote: »

Oh right, Fair enough. Wonder will it be popular with people outside of Limerick other than match days.

Time will tell, i don't think it will be that busy tbh. But they're throwing a lot of money at it. If it's anything like the last venture JP threw a lot of money at, I'm sure it will be a success

bigpink

Most of the crowd in for the Munster matches is for beer and go to the match can’t see many going in
Only just families but even museums can be boring for them

zulutango

Mc Love wrote:

Time will tell, i don't think it will be that busy tbh. But they're throwing a lot of money at it. If it's anything like the last venture JP threw a lot of money at, I'm sure it will be a success

The footbridge?

Stab*City

Mc Love wrote: »

Time will tell, i don't think it will be that busy tbh. But they're throwing a lot of money at it. If it's anything like the last venture JP threw a lot of money at, I'm sure it will be a success

Ya its just an odd choice I think, I could understand if it was a GAA experience or a more Limerick related topic but Rugby?

bigpink

How well does The Thomond Park experience do?

Stab*City

bigpink wrote: »

How well does The Thomond Park experience do?

Didn't even know there was one..

The Lost Sheep

Stab*City wrote: »

Ya its just an odd choice I think, I could understand if it was a GAA experience or a more Limerick related topic but Rugby?

Why would it be more understanding if it was GAA or general Limerick related.
Rugby between Munster, parish clubs in the city and success of them, Thomond Park etc

Cookiemunster

Stab*City wrote: »

Ya its just an odd choice I think, I could understand if it was a GAA experience or a more Limerick related topic but Rugby?

Again, it's not meant to be Limerick specific. A Limerick specific museum wouldn't pay the bills. I have no idea if it will work, but their aim is to attract rugby fans from around the world who are visiting Ireland to come to Limerick.

Stab*City

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Why would it be more understanding if it was GAA or general Limerick related.
Rugby between Munster, parish clubs in the city and success of them, Thomond Park etc

Well considering Rugby is an English sport and Munsters success has dwindled in recent years, I'm just wondering what impact a, for the most part middle to upper class sport experience would have on a working class town like Limerick.

Cookiemunster

bigpink wrote: »

How well does The Thomond Park experience do?

There is no Thomond Park experience. It's the Munster Rugby museum and stadium tour. The Experience has nothing to do with Munster rugby.

Cookiemunster

Stab*City wrote: »

Well considering Rugby is an English sport and Munsters success has dwindled in recent years, I'm just wondering what impact a, for the most part middle to upper class sport experience would have on a working class town like Limerick.

Rugby in Limerick is most definitely not a middle to upper class sport. Ever heard of Shannon and Young Munster?

And Rugby is not an 'English sport'. The IRFU is older than the GAA.

And for the umpteen time, this project is not related to Munster or dependent on their supporter base.

The Lost Sheep

Stab*City wrote: »

Well considering Rugby is an English sport and Munsters success has dwindled in recent years, I'm just wondering what impact a, for the most part middle to upper class sport experience would have on a working class town like Limerick.

where the sport of rugby originated from should have no relevance to this discussion and Munsters support has steadied/increased from its lowest level and the sport is far from middle/upper class in most of the country.

bigpink

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Rugby in Limerick is most definitely not a middle to upper class sport. Ever heard of Shannon and Young Munster?

And Rugby is not an 'English sport'. The IRFU is older than the GAA.

And for the umpteen time, this project is not related to Munster or dependent on their supporter base.

Don’t doubt one time rugby was huge in working class areas but deffo not now.Not too many locals from Weston playing with Young Munster nowadays

Cookiemunster

bigpink wrote: »

Don’t doubt one time rugby was huge in working class areas but deffo not now.Not too many locals from Weston playing with Young Munster nowadays

How do you know? Have you been to any under age or junior games? I'm from a working class area and I guarantee you that it's still popular.

The Lost Sheep

bigpink wrote: »

Don’t doubt one time rugby was huge in working class areas but deffo not now.Not too many locals from Weston playing with Young Munster nowadays

Still very much is between work being put in by Marys, Thomond etc.
Still extremely popular and how do you know? Do you attend club games be they adult or age grade?

bigpink

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Still very much is between work being put in by Marys, Thomond etc.
Still extremely popular and how do you know? Do you attend club games be they adult or age grade?

Father is Young Munsters go sometimes still but he tells me the working class heart is dying in the club it’s becoming much more middle class

Stab*City

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Rugby in Limerick is most definitely not a middle to upper class sport. Ever heard of Shannon and Young Munster?

And Rugby is not an 'English sport'. The IRFU is older than the GAA.

And for the umpteen time, this project is not related to Munster or dependent on their supporter base.

Yes i have heard of all the clubs actually, Rugby was invented in England, so yes it is an English sport. And the IRFU may be older than the GAA by a few years but the sports are centuries apart. And yes i do think this venture is very much dependant on the Munster supporter base. You think people will come to Limerick especially to see a few jerseys on the wall? I dont think youll get many FAI supporters travelling down from Dublin after the soccer.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

where the sport of rugby originated from should have no relevance to this discussion and Munsters support has steadied/increased from its lowest level and the sport is far from middle/upper class in most of the country.

And why not because you say so? I could understand if Limerick was "the home of rugby" but its not. I have Munster season tickets and you don't need to tell me about attendance i see all the empty seats except for Champions Cup and Leinster games regularly. And i also see the demographic going to these events and yes very very middle - upper class. Go to a Limerick Fc match see the difference first hand if you don't believe me.

tototoe

Stab*City wrote: »

. And yes i do think this venture is very much dependant on the Munster supporter base. You think people will come to Limerick especially to see a few jerseys on the wall?

I think any visitor to the city is a potential customer of this...regardless of their roots or club or sport they support....the same as any attraction in any city. I'm not an art fan, but I've gone to art museums all over the world.

I'd say a few jerseys on the wall is a very low estimation of what this will be tbh. I'd expect from what I'm hearing and the people involved, this is going to be quite high tech and interactive..

I've gone to loads of similar places in other cities, that are not something I would go to or have interest in normally. I'm sure everyone has,.

Squatter

tototoe wrote: »

I'd say a few jerseys on the wall is a very low estimation of what this will be tbh. I'd expect from what I'm hearing and the people involved, this is going to be quite high tech and interactive.

So do you reckon they'll have replicas of some of the skulls that the Claw stamped on, possibly with a bit of artificial blood thrown in? I'm sure the likes of Dan Crowley or Olivier Roumat would be happy to contribute their x-rays.

bigpink

Like say the Croke Park museum it’s grand but boring enough most people just want to see the stadium parts

Stab*City

tototoe wrote: »

I think any visitor to the city is a potential customer of this...regardless of their roots or club or sport they support....the same as any attraction in any city. I'm not an art fan, but I've gone to art museums all over the world.

I'd say a few jerseys on the wall is a very low estimation of what this will be tbh. I'd expect from what I'm hearing and the people involved, this is going to be quite high tech and interactive..

I've gone to loads of similar places in other cities, that are not something I would go to or have interest in normally. I'm sure everyone has,.

Good points. But that's even worse high-tech and interactive gets old very fast what was high-tech when they planned this may not be high-tech anymore. I think the jerseys on the wall would be a safer bet!

I'm going to put myself in an american tourists shoes for a sec.

1. I've never heard of rugby
2. I've never heard of Limerick
3. Lets go to Bunratty

I think museums have a much broader appeal than something a niche as this. I think its somebody's pet project is all and i fail to see how it will survive unless funded by said somebody start to finish.

Cookiemunster

Stab*City wrote: »

And why not because you say so? I could understand if Limerick was "the home of rugby" but its not. I have Munster season tickets and you don't need to tell me about attendance i see all the empty seats except for Champions Cup and Leinster games regularly. And i also see the demographic going to these events and yes very very middle - upper class. Go to a Limerick Fc match see the difference first hand if you don't believe me.

Have you been to any local rugby games? Underage or junior? Where is your ST for in TP? I'm on the West Terrace and it most definitely not a middle to upper class crowd.

Stab*City wrote: »

I think its somebody's pet project is all and i fail to see how it will survive unless funded by said somebody start to finish.

JP isn't funding this. He's putting up €10 of the total €30m cost.

I honestly don't get the negativity towards someone (the only ones) putting private money into developing an empty city center site.

tototoe

Stab*City wrote: »

Good points. But that's even worse high-tech and interactive gets old very fast what was high-tech when they planned this may not be high-tech anymore. I think the jerseys on the wall would be a safer bet!

I'm going to put myself in an american tourists shoes for a sec.

1. I've never heard of rugby
2. I've never heard of Limerick
3. Lets go to Bunratty

I think museums have a much broader appeal than something a niche as this. I think its somebody's pet project is all and i fail to see how it will survive unless funded by said somebody start to finish.

No offence, but I think you are just being negative.

None of us know what this will be like, and none of us know whether it will work or not. But I do believe, the people behind will have their homework done on the market available to them....but sure whatever you are having yourself!

bigpink

Private investment that’s a fair point fair play
Look it’s Jp involved he has huge influence inLimerick and gets his way always so this project will happen
Just debating how it will perform

Cookiemunster

bigpink wrote: »

Private investment that’s a fair point fair play
Look it’s Jp involved he has huge influence inLimerick and gets his way always so this project will happen
Just debating how it will perform

It went to ABP and they approved it. I doubt JP has much influence there.

Nobody is saying it will be successful. In fact those of us 'defending' the project have all said that we don't know how it will turn out,

Stab*City

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Have you been to any local rugby games? Underage or junior? Where is your ST for in TP? I'm on the West Terrace and it most definitely not a middle to upper class crowd.



JP isn't funding this. He's putting up €10 of the total €30m cost.

I honestly don't get the negativity towards someone (the only ones) putting private money into developing an empty city center site.

Yes, both. West stand. So thats where all the rif raf are down below me!!

tototoe wrote: »

No offence, but I think you are just being negative.

None of us know what this will be like, and none of us know whether it will work or not. But I do believe, the people behind will have their homework done on the market available to them....but sure whatever you are having yourself!

Sorry if it sounds negative but i just fail to see how this will be a success. Sounds like a big trophy room for JP.

bigpink

Cookiemunster wrote: »

It went to ABP and they approved it. I doubt JP has much influence there.

Nobody is saying it will be successful. In fact those of us 'defending' the project have all said that we don't know how it will turn out,

Jp has huge influence I’d say

Cookiemunster

bigpink wrote: »

Jp has huge influence I’d say

Over An Bord Pleanala?

Mc Love

Stab*City wrote: »

Sorry if it sounds negative but i just fail to see how this will be a success. Sounds like a big trophy room for JP.

Stop trolling :rolleyes:

bigpink

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Over An Bord Pleanala?

In general in Limerick he got planning permission for a huge house,all the work in Adare and the big vip parties etc plus he’s a millionaire he has influence and the fact he’s investing in the city

Stab*City

Mc Love wrote: »

Stop trolling :rolleyes:

Trolling? i guess time will tell with this project.

Cookiemunster

bigpink wrote: »

In general in Limerick he got planning permission for a huge house,all the work in Adare and the big vip parties etc plus he’s a millionaire he has influence and the fact he’s investing in the city

He may have influence in the city, but what you're inferring is illegal influence on the planning process. This the project also got planning permission rubber stamped by a national body, which points to LCCC making the correct decision in the first place.

phog

bigpink wrote: »

In general in Limerick he got planning permission for a huge house,all the work in Adare and the big vip parties etc plus he’s a millionaire he has influence and the fact he’s investing in the city

What would have stopped him building/altering in either of those projects if you were in a position to do so?

bigpink

Not illegal didn’t say that that means backhanders and criminal activity
I mean he has influence cause he so rich

phog

bigpink wrote: »

Not illegal didn’t say that that means backhanders and criminal activity
I mean he has influence cause he so rich

I don't know what point you're trying to make, your post is all over the place, whether that's on purpose of not I really don't know.

RocketRaccoon

People giving out about nothing in Limerick and empty units. A huge plan is put in place and will be followed through on and same people still give out. Typical of limerick/ireland really.

zulutango

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

People giving out about nothing in Limerick and empty units. A huge plan is put in place and will be followed through on and same people still give out. Typical of limerick/ireland really.

What huge plan are you referring to?

zulutango

Anybody know what this huge plan for Limerick is, and where we can see it?

mart 23

zulutango wrote: »

Anybody know what this huge plan for Limerick is, and where we can see it?

Maybe you have been sleeping I assume its the Opera Centre .

RocketRaccoon

Sorry I was considering this rugby museum as a huge plan, they want to attract rugby fans from all over the world yet here we have people ****ting on it before it has even opened. Its pathetic.