New Legislation commencing today

The_Conductor

stateofflux wrote: »

This is exactly what Ireland needs in the middle of a massive supply shortage

Perhaps Mr. Coveney thought that getting a few tens of thousands of units out of the rental market and onto the second hand market would moderate price rises for second hand property? Don't know- perhaps I'm giving him too much credit.............

One way or the other- tightening regulation of the market- is not a good way to try and increase supply.......

ED E

Successive ministers burying their head in the sand as to the supply issues.

BryanF

pauldavis123 wrote: »

If they push the second WC one rent are going to go thru the roof due to sell ups.

I rang my mate who is a landlord and he says it's the best news he has had all year. The last set of regs made him and absolute fortune.

Can we put this to bed. 1 bathroom with toilet,sink bath/shower, in a 'separate' room.

pauldavis123

BryanF wrote: »

Can we put this to bed. 1 bathroom with toilet,sink bath/shower, in a 'separate' room.

OK fair enough, the post above does not say that thought!

7. A tenant is entitled to both a formal bathroom with a fixed bath or shower present- and a second, separate, toilet room with a hand basin.

Samuel T. Cogley

Conductor and Denny especially - but also a general thanks. I'm willing to admit I'm one LL who gets kept up to date by the efforts of people in this forum.

Fire blankets - pretty sure that was already a requirement, I remember putting one in a couple of years back. Must service the extinguisher!

LionelNashe

GGTrek wrote: »

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We need people with skin in the housing/landlordling business (and I am not talking about the dysfunctional organization called Threshold) to be consulted and their opinions reflected before any other legislation is passed by the jokers at the Oireachtas............

A lot of TDs are landlords. The story below is from this year, but it has been reported in the press in previous years also.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fine-gael-heads-the-landlord-list-as-tds-cash-in-with-property-cwn5j9sv3

"One in four TDs is a landlord, the latest Dail register of interests has revealed. Of 158 deputies, 42 (26.5%) have declared themselves as landlords, with Fine Gael having the highest proportion — 18 of its 50 TDs (36%) have an income from renting out property or land."

mel123

Realistically how will this be enforced? It would be up to the tenant to report the LL is my guess? And at the moment with the crisis we are in I doubt many will

I'm not a LL myself, but my god who would want to be at the moment. I'm all for safety and all that but it's just one knock after another for LL's

If we seriously want to move to a rental economy, the renting of unfurnished accommodation must be encouraged. This legislation seems to do the opposite.
Long term renters are better off in unfurnished acommodation as they can use their own fiurniture and have no hassles if it gets damaged or if they want to change it etc. This is the norm in other juristictions and also suits the landlords too, and should lead to lower rents. They don't have to bother with minor things like wear and tear of appliances or toasters burning out etc.

The_Conductor

Deleted User wrote: »

If we seriously want to move to a rental economy, the renting of unfurnished accommodation must be encouraged. This legislation seems to do the opposite.
Long term renters are better off in unfurnished acommodation as they can use their own fiurniture and have no hassles if it gets damaged or if they want to change it etc. This is the norm in other juristictions and also suits the landlords too, and should lead to lower rents. They don't have to bother with minor things like wear and tear of appliances or toasters burning out etc.

+1

It also encourages a flourishing trade in second hand furniture- most small villages in Rural France/Spain/Portugal have show rooms of second hand furniture- some lovely stuff there.

lcwill

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Conductor and Denny especially - but also a general thanks. I'm willing to admit I'm one LL who gets kept up to date by the efforts of people in this forum.

Fire blankets - pretty sure that was already a requirement, I remember putting one in a couple of years back. Must service the extinguisher!

I'll second the general thanks! I have been worried about the fire issues and recently asked my agent to organise a check up of my apartments to make sure they are all in line with the requirements.

I would actually be wiling to pay someone to do an annual or biennial check up of my apartments to confirm I am in line with all regulations. I am a long distance landlord so its hard to do myself and I would like ask a third party to do it rather than my agent. If someone can sort out the liability insurance required to sign off on something like that it could be a handy business. Unless Government starts offering to do it for me

GGTrek

LionelNashe wrote: »

GGTrek wrote: »

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We need people with skin in the housing/landlordling business (and I am not talking about the dysfunctional organization called Threshold) to be consulted and their opinions reflected before any other legislation is passed by the jokers at the Oireachtas............

A lot of TDs are landlords. The story below is from this year, but it has been reported in the press in previous years also.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fine-gael-heads-the-landlord-list-as-tds-cash-in-with-property-cwn5j9sv3

"One in four TDs is a landlord, the latest Dail register of interests has revealed. Of 158 deputies, 42 (26.5%) have declared themselves as landlords, with Fine Gael having the highest proportion — 18 of its 50 TDs (36%) have an income from renting out property or land."

Just add the word hypocrites in front of jokers then.

Marcusm

The_Conductor wrote: »

Have a read of the SI- I'm scratching my head over several sections/articles in it.........

Under no circumstances could reg 5 be read as meaning the toilet and bath/shower had to be in separate rooms to each other. 5(2) makes it clear that the facilities of a toilet and bath/shower Must be in a room separated from the other rooms by a wall etc. If anything it presupposes that they are in a single room rather than separate rooms.

pauldavis123

Actual wording:

Sanitary Facilities

5. (1) There shall be provided within the same habitable area of the house,
for the exclusive use of the house:

(a) A water closet, with dedicated wash hand basin adjacent thereto with
a continuous supply of cold water and a facility for the piped supply
of hot water, and
(b) A fixed bath or shower with continuous supply of cold water and a
facility for the piped supply of hot water.

(2) The requirements of Regulation 5(1) shall:

(i) be maintained in a safe condition and good working order,
(ii) have safe and effective means of drainage,
(iii) be properly insulated,
(iv) have minimum capacity requirements for hot and cold water storage
facilities, and
(v) be provided in a room separated from other rooms by a wall and
a door and containing separate ventilation.

The_Conductor

Ok- what the hell is the difference between a WC, a bathroom, a toilet, lavatory facilities, closet etc..........

Anywhere I've lived (Germany/France/Spain/Portugal) a WC explicitly meant toilet facilities and 100% definitely no bath/tub or shower. A bathroom- on the other hand- has a bath/tub or shower- and normally, but not always, toilet facilities.

I think someone was trying to be too smart with their use of terminology here.

Michael D Not Higgins

The_Conductor wrote: »

Ok- what the hell is the difference between a WC, a bathroom, a toilet, lavatory facilities, closet etc..........

Anywhere I've lived (Germany/France/Spain/Portugal) a WC explicitly meant toilet facilities and 100% definitely no bath/tub or shower. A bathroom- on the other hand- has a bath/tub or shower- and normally, but not always, toilet facilities.

I think someone was trying to be too smart with their use of terminology here.

Agreed it's ambiguous (I think water closet in this instance just means the toilet itself otherwise you'd have to read it as the sink being beside the room containing the toilet), but reading 5.1 and 5.2 together shows it can be in the same room.

Bushmanpm

The_Conductor wrote:

I think someone was trying to be too smart with their use of terminology here.

Are they pulling our chain?


*get coat ;-)