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Tour de France 2017 stage 4: Mondorf-les-Bains-Vittel 207 km

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    #92
    dahat
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    Did Cav finish the stage? Just looks like hand damage on his Insta Story just now.


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    #93
    Inquitus
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    #94
    Itziger
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    All good, no?


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    #95
    Weepsie
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    Still images like that are useless. Watching it in slo mo is better, albeit still not perfect.


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    #96
    Inquitus
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    Weepsie wrote: »
    Still images like that are useless. Watching it in slo mo is better, albeit still not perfect.

    It does a decent enough job showing how Sagan leapt for Demare's wheel without looking and then elbowed Cav into the barriers, but the video makes it very clear.

    Anyways -80 pts and a 35 sec penalty and relegated from today's stage.


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    #97
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    Can see Roche and Martin came in on same time. Good news once they were not injured during last couple of kms


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    #98
    dastardly00
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    Last km. Video is from official TdF YouTube account so won't be blocked due to copyright etc.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4atl-3Njwg


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    #99
    Moflojo
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    I don't know much about racing, and even less about sprinting, but it looks like Cavendish has gotten a jump onto Demare's wheel. Sagan says no, that's my wheel and comes straight across Cav's line and bundles him into the barrier when Cav tries to hold the line.

    Watch Cav in relation to Demare in the few seconds before the crash, Cav is following his wheel. Then look where Sagan enters the mix.

    Sagan completely in the wrong for me.


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    #100
    SeamusAFA
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    Lot of velo teams taking a hit.


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    #101
    Lionbacker
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    Looks like Sagan did get a hefty penalty

    https://twitter.com/Laura_Meseguer/status/882279770892972033


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    #102
    Inquitus
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    Apparently Sagan has been turfed out of the tour.


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    #103
    velo.2010
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    Wow, Cavendish actually finished the Stage! Tough mofo. Slammed into the barriers, whacked the ground and had Degankolb run over his head. Not many sportspeople are as tough as that.
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    #104
    Inquitus
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    Confirmed

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/peter-sagan-disqualified-from-tour-de-france/


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    #105
    Lionbacker
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    Apparently Sagan has been turfed out of the tour.
    yeah, just heard the same.


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    #106
    [Deleted User]
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    what happens all the bets on Sagan to win the green jersey?


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    #107
    Inquitus
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    glasso wrote: »
    what happens all the bets on Sagan to win the green jersey?

    They lose their money


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    #108
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    They lose their money

    ouch. must have been a fair few with hefty amounts on given the short odds.


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    #109
    velo.2010
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    velo.2010 wrote: »
    Sagan was butting heads with Bouhanni some distance out. His elbow did come out but was it a reaction, the way you see footballers automatically put their hands up when a shot is fired towards their head?

    ASO/commisaires will have a big decision to make now regarding Sagan. If at fault, do they send a message by sending him home or do they keep him in the race for commercial reasons.

    Well, they've sent a message for sure now. No more butting or bumping will be tolerated. Decision makes sense after Mark Renshaw was throw out for nutting another rider in 2010.


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    #110
    Somedude9
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    Sagan at fault for me. He at least body checked Cav, with the use of some arm too, effectively fooking him into the barriers.

    And wtf was Greipel at? With he's careering across into the bunch of them when the sprint was opening up. That set of a chain reaction.


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    #111
    BowSideChamp
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    Is Cav ok??

    Totally over the top to throw out Sagan. A real shame to lose the world champ and the most exciting rider in the peloton.

    It dosnt even look absolutly deliberate.


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    #112
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    Cavandish's manager said that Sagan caused the earlier crash (bit over 1 km to go) also - is it fair to say that?


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    #113
    DominoDub
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    Cant believe he is banned ...from the head on cam shot Cav pushes 1st then Sagan tried to re balance himself ...Cav was going down well before Elbow was pointing fully outwards as part of the re balance move.


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    #114
    MPFGLB
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    To throw Sagan off the Tour is madness. Cavendish was already going down before the elbow...Sagan was clearly body checking ...and the problem was caused by Sagan shifting his line and left no room for Cav but everyone in that sprint moved from their line....

    The whole thing is an over reaction...penalty and fine yes if needed but DQS is so wrong

    Also Cav used his elbow on one of KIttels doms ( tom Veelers I think0 a few years ago at the Tour causing him to crash ...no DSQ then

    And there have been many elbows used by sprinters since like forever ....just ask Sean Kelly .. if these rules were applied he may not have won so much green ...utter madness and unfair


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    #115
    BowSideChamp
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    Can Sagan appeal this decision or is it final? The tour will be over for me if Froome dominates and extends his lead in the GC.


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    #116
    Itziger
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    Complete DSQ is ott, I agree. But I can't agree with this 'Cav was already going down' $hite. Why does anyone think he was going down for God's sake?? He was given a hefty bump by Sagan is why. Sagan drifts well across and shoulders him, the elbow is incidental but it makes it look a lot worse actually.


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    #117
    MPFGLB
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    Itziger wrote: »
    Complete DSQ is ott, I agree. But I can't agree with this 'Cav was already going down' $hite. Why does anyone think he was going down for God's sake?? He was given a hefty bump by Sagan is why. Sagan drifts well across and shoulders him, the elbow is incidental but it makes it look a lot worse actually.

    Look again at it
    Sagan hit Cav with his lower body but its was not intentional and was unseen..as I said it was about their line ..so yes Cav was going down already

    No DSQ for violence in my book ...no DSQ at all


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    #118
    Weepsie
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    Somewhere Tom Veelers was laughing, and then going WTF? He who moans loudest it seems


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    #119
    Weepsie
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    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Look again at it
    Sagan hit Cav with his lower body but its was not intentional and was unseen..as I said it was about their line ..so yes Cav was going down already

    No DSQ for violence in my book ...no DSQ at all

    I thought Sagan was ahead of him too for pretty much the entirety of it so not sure what he could be doing.

    I also thought Cavendish changed his line enough to make it an inevitable when he realised he was running out of road.


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    #120
    MPFGLB
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    This ....and it not like cycling can aford to lose sponsors like this

    https://twitter.com/inrng/status/882290445627400192


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    #121
    Deagol
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    Shocking decision IMO. I've watched the clip 30+ times and eventually I did a start stop start stop on it and it's 100% clear to me that Cavendish was already going down before Sagan through the elbow out.

    If you look at their feet also, it looks to me like Cavendish got his pedals clashing off Sagan's feet?

    By all means send the message that bumping is not going to be tolerated but to DQ Sagan is way over the top IMO.


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