N24 - Cahir to Limerick Junction [design and planning underway]

steeler j

thanks ,how long to select a route ,it is a pity the government didn't have started the early phase in 2014 or 2015 a lot of these projects would be ready to start soon

Bards

Another fatal collision on this road earlier today...RIP to the young woman

steeler j

yes ,lovely girl and a great family rip....when is shane ross going to do something about the the terrible roads in Ireland,shane ross is talk

marno21

steeler j wrote: »

yes ,lovely girl and a great family rip....when is shane ross going to do something about the the terrible roads in Ireland,shane ross is talk

Should be open around 2029-2032 based on current projections

davidk1394

marno21 wrote: »

Should be open around 2029-2032 based on current projections

Big delay at the Piltown turn-off. Kilkenny county council want to put in an overly fancy turnoff and the farmer isn’t letting him in without a deal being struck. Once that junction is complete they will start on the road.

steeler j

I was thinking that would be the timeline because of the back log ,I won't believe anything is getting done until diggers are breaking ground ,so many cities and big towns that are connected by sub standard roads like Cork to limerick ,Cork to Waterford and limerick to Waterford .There is a lot of big towns on the roads as well

road_high

marno21 wrote: »

Should be open around 2029-2032 based on current projections

What a depressing timeline....

steeler j

boardsuser1 wrote: »

From the Cahir exit on the M8 to Tipperary town is a pretty poor road, Bansha needs resurfacing in some places as well.

Been 18 months since i was passing through but can't imagine it has changed very much.

started work in Bansha

piuswal

marno21 wrote: »

Due to the dearth of "pipeline" national road schemes, TII & DTTAS are planning on developing a series of schemes to be advanced when the current funded schemes are completed in the next 5-7 years.

Bar the three Donegal schemes, we got first mention of one scheme today when AK47 asked Shane Ross about any prospective N24 upgrade plans.

Ross mentions that DTTAS are planning on advancing a 27km upgrade of the N24 from Limerick Junction to Cahir, which includes a bypass of Tipp Town, Bansha and the deplorable bends near Cahir. If advanced, this will be the first section of N24 to be upgraded, given the fact that all other schemes are suspended.

Welcome news.

https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2017-07-04a.411

Drove Limerick to Rosslare and back evey 10 days in 1971 and 72 , long left the area but it seems as if not much has changed in some parts.

road_high

piuswal wrote: »

Drove Limerick to Rosslare and back evey 10 days in 1971 and 72 , long left the area but it seems as if not much has changed in some parts.

Parts in co Tipperary are the very worst and haven’t changed much I’d think, especially from Cahir to Oola. Rest has seen some realignments and upgrades in that time

marno21

In addition to starting planning on the 27km Limerick Junction-Cahir dual carraigeway, TII seem to be pushing ahead with realignment schemes at Brookes Bridge north of Oola and at the Ballydrehid Bends where there was a fatal accident this past week. Both these stretches are totally unacceptable for a national primary road. These will likely be progressed in parallel with the DC scheme and open before it, as TII are aware that these stretches need removing and it would be foolish to rely on definite progression of the DC because it's politically vulnerable.

steeler j

marno21 wrote: »

In addition to starting planning on the 27km Limerick Junction-Cahir dual carraigeway, TII seem to be pushing ahead with realignment schemes at Brookes Bridge north of Oola and at the Ballydrehid Bends where there was a fatal accident this past week. Both these stretches are totally unacceptable for a national primary road. These will likely be progressed in parallel with the DC scheme and open before it, as TII are aware that these stretches need removing and it would be foolish to rely on definite progression of the DC because it's politically vulnerable.

any news on what their hoping to do at Ballydrehid bends ,the railway bridge is very narrow with a tight bend on the Cahir side

Ultimate Seduction

Tipperary town roads getting done the last few days. Massive delays

steeler j

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Tipperary town roads getting done the last few days. Massive delays

yes until September this year and then starting on the main street

Christy Browne

steeler j wrote: »

yes until September this year and then starting on the main street

Is this prep work for the dual carriageway?

marno21

Christy Browne wrote: »

Is this prep work for the dual carriageway?

Not at all. We'll be 10 years older at least when the dual carraigeway comes. The route isn't even chosen yet.

Design & planning work are to begin on this in 2019.

steeler j

marno21 wrote: »

Not at all. We'll be 10 years older at least when the dual carraigeway comes. The route isn't even chosen yet.

Design & planning work are to begin on this in 2019.

in your experience when u think a route would be selected

steeler j

Christy Browne wrote: »

Is this prep work for the dual carriageway?

just road works

marno21

steeler j wrote: »

in your experience when u think a route would be selected

I would be thinking 2021 as a realistic hope for it.

Christy Browne

marno21 wrote: »

Not at all. We'll be 10 years older at least when the dual carraigeway comes. The route isn't even chosen yet.

Design & planning work are to begin on this in 2019.

Oh okay fair enough.

In an ideal situation how long will it take to get from Waterford to Limerick when both the Waterford to Cahir and Cahir to Limerick Junction dual carriageways are done?

It's pretty much 2 hours on the nose at the moment

marno21

Christy Browne wrote: »

Oh okay fair enough.

In an ideal situation how long will it take to get from Waterford to Limerick when both the Waterford to Cahir and Cahir to Limerick Junction dual carriageways are done?

It's pretty much 2 hours on the nose at the moment

The Limerick Junction-Waterford DC will be approx 85km, so assuming you can average 90km/h on it (this is being conservative - but it also could have roundabouts which may be busy at peak times) - you would do that in just under 1 hour

From there to Limerick is 30km - which if you can average 75km/h would be 24 mins

It would mean Limerick-Waterford in approx 1hr 20mins - by Limerick-Waterford I mean the M7 at Ballysimon and the N25 at Grannagh - beyond this you are introducing many variables with traffic.

The DC will provide additional journey dependability as you won't have any towns to go through south of LJ also.

Christy Browne

marno21 wrote: »

The Limerick Junction-Waterford DC will be approx 85km, so assuming you can average 90km/h on it (this is being conservative - but it also could have roundabouts which may be busy at peak times) - you would do that in just under 1 hour

From there to Limerick is 30km - which if you can average 75km/h would be 24 mins

It would mean Limerick-Waterford in approx 1hr 20mins - by Limerick-Waterford I mean the M7 at Ballysimon and the N25 at Grannagh - beyond this you are introducing many variables with traffic.

The DC will provide additional journey dependability as you won't have any towns to go through south of LJ also.

Jesus that would be some improvement, I make that return trip every week for college and it would sicken you getting stuck behind a tractor or roadworks on a major national road.

I'll be long finished by the time this is done by the looks of it unfortunately

marno21

Christy Browne wrote: »

Jesus that would be some improvement, I make that return trip every week for college and it would sicken you getting stuck behind a tractor or roadworks on a major national road.

I'll be long finished by the time this is done by the looks of it unfortunately

Limerick-Bearys Cross will likely be pushed by the Limerick Metropolitan Transport Strategy also, which would bring it down to around 22/23km of legacy road.

The biggest benefit would be the HQ road between Waterford and Limerick Junction, no more Clonmel roundabouts, no more Carrick-on-Suir/Mooncoin/Kilsheelan, no more bends between Bansha-Cahir, no more tight railway bridge near Cahir etc etc. Just 85km of decent road.

The sooner it's built the better. (I know what you mean about using it weekly and not using it when built - it's the same with me and the M20).

steeler j

marno21 wrote: »

I would be thinking 2021 as a realistic hope for it.

they had routes picked in 2005 ,I remember being at the meeting but lost all the leaflets ,I remember the 2 routes north and east of Tipperary town were the favoured options

marno21

steeler j wrote: »

they had routes picked in 2005 ,I remember being at the meeting but lost all the leaflets ,I remember the 2 routes north and east of Tipperary town were the favoured options

They have to start from scratch again unfortunately - all the previously completed work has to be redone

Limerick74

steeler j wrote: »

in your experience when u think a route would be selected

At least two years after engineering consultants appointed.

steeler j

Limerick74 wrote: »

At least two years after engineering consultants appointed.

I doubt I will drive on it in the next 15 years

Paddico

marno21 wrote: »

I would be thinking 2021 as a realistic hope for it.

Thats just two years away.
Its not even part of the current transport 21 list pf projects.

I'd think it will be more like 2025 before we're close

marno21

Paddico wrote: »

Thats just two years away.
Its not even part of the current transport 21 list pf projects.

I'd think it will be more like 2025 before we're close

Transport21 is no longer Government policy, the National Development Plan 2018-2027 is. The NDP (and the associated investment framework) specifies the N24 Cahir-Limerick Junction scheme, and the 2018-2022 funding provides for the scheme to be advanced through planning & design over that period.

steeler j

marno21 wrote: »

Transport21 is no longer Government policy, the National Development Plan 2018-2027 is. The NDP (and the associated investment framework) specifies the N24 Cahir-Limerick Junction scheme, and the 2018-2022 funding provides for the scheme to be advanced through planning & design over that period.

wonder will it start at the Limerick side of monard ,there's the railway , racecorse and golf course around Limerick Junction