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readytosnap

Hi, can anyone advise if it is normal practice for a landlord to require pps numbers before renting?

gizmo81

readytosnap wrote: »

Hi, can anyone advise if it is normal practice for a landlord to require pps numbers before renting?

Yes.

https://www.threshold.ie/advice/seeking-private-rented-accommodation/what-information-can-a-landlord-request-from-me/

However,

You should not be asked to supply this information unless you are being offered a tenancy:
- PPS No. (this is required for the registration of the tenancy with the Residential Tenancies Board) (www.rtb.ie)
- A reference from your previous landlord
- A reference from your current employer
- Photo I.D. such as a driving licence or passport
- Evidence of residency
- Recent bank statements
- Payslips

readytosnap

Thanks for that, young one is currently renting, has no tenancy agreement, no deposit was paid, no issues with current landlord.
She now looking at another place and the agent asked for pps, that's why the original question.It is a move of convenience above anything else.:rolleyes:

The_Conductor

The reason is the landlord needs it to register the tenancy property with the RTB. If she has been offered the place- and the landlord seeks the PPS- it simply means he/she is registering the tenancy, nothing else.

davo10

It's probably the clearest sign that the landlord is kosher.

Samuel T. Cogley

To be fair though this shouldn't be requested until a property is offered, like bank statements, but it's a common practice and nothing to worry about.

readytosnap

Thanks for all the replies, I know the landlord personally but he is renting through an agent (I'm guessing it saves him the hassle), He rented the property before himself but I think he got messed about, hence the agent.
I've never rented so that's why I didn't know,Thanks again all.

Samuel T. Cogley

readytosnap wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies, I know the landlord personally but he is renting through an agent (I'm guessing it saves him the hassle), He rented the property before himself but I think he got messed about, hence the agent.
I've never rented so that's why I didn't know,Thanks again all.

He just likes spending money in that case, agents add nothing other than a lease (downloadable) and a extra layer of phone calls if something goes wrong. Not bad for 15% or whatever they're charging.

mrs.doubt.fire

As a landlord...girls are the worst tenants by far. Boys are not as dirty or break as much stuff. Female tenants do my head in and every year I do ask my self...why do I bother?!

The_Conductor

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

He just likes spending money in that case, agents add nothing other than a lease (downloadable) and a extra layer of phone calls if something goes wrong. Not bad for 15% or whatever they're charging.

Depends entirely on the apartment- but esp. if a landlord is not living nearby, it suits some people to have someone on call to sort whatever goes wrong. You'd be surprised at just how many call-outs you'll have, from even a relatively new unit- things do go wrong. If you're in Galway and your apartment is in Dublin- it is worth paying an agent 10% to keep the tenant happy. Plus- its a tax deductible expense.........

Claw Hammer

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

He just likes spending money in that case, agents add nothing other than a lease (downloadable) and a extra layer of phone calls if something goes wrong. Not bad for 15% or whatever they're charging.

there are lots of reasons for using an agent. The landlord may have a full time occupation which means he is not available for viewings. He may not have time to keep up to date with regulations and paperwork. He may not have be good at organising paperwork. Agents will be well used to obtaining references, drafting leases, keeping pre- letting photographs and inventories. Sometimes complaints to the RTB relate back to things which happened years before. Having an agent keep records and back up the LLs version of events can be critical. I was at a hearing recently where it was found crucial that the LL and agent had visited the property together and corroborated their version of events.
Not every LL has the personality for dealing with tenants either. I know one who has to use an agent, who has to force him to do what he should do. His natural instinct is to ignore repairs and resent the tenant complaining. He doesn't want to upgrade furniture etc either when necessary and only does it because the agent insists on it.

The_Conductor

Claw Hammer wrote: »

Not every LL has the personality for dealing with tenants either. I know one who has to use an agent, who has to force him to do what he should do. His natural instinct is to ignore repairs and resent the tenant complaining. He doesn't want to upgrade furniture etc either when necessary and only does it because the agent insists on it.

Had to smile reading this- sounds more like a wife than an agent
My wife does my calendars and makes sure I'm not double booked etc.

Out of curiousity- what do people pay agents- a straight 10% of the gross- or more?

Claw Hammer

The_Conductor wrote: »

Had to smile reading this- sounds more like a wife than an agent
My wife does my calendars and makes sure I'm not double booked etc.

Out of curiousity- what do people pay agents- a straight 10% of the gross- or more?

Some agents have to tell the owners to cop themselves on. Some owners recognise that they are being stupid. I knew and EA who owned flats. He admitted that he was being stupid holding out for the highest rent and leaving them empty for ages. He just couldn't help himself. He treated every letting as a sale. He had to pay someone in his office to take it over.
Letting fees are higher outside Dublin but typical it is 6% letting only and 10% let and manage. The latter figure is rising because of the extra work the new Tenancies Act is causing.

mrs.doubt.fire

The_Conductor wrote: »

Out of curiousity- what do people pay agents- a straight 10% of the gross- or more?

I live a good 45 minute drive from the property (if I don't get stuck in rush hour traffic) so I hire a letting agency to do the work and take care of things for me, I also work 7 days a week (365 year) so I wouldn't have time to go there for every little whim by the tenants. Yes the letting agency takes 10%

Samuel T. Cogley

There are plenty of reasons to use an agent, some of ye have missed the in this case in my previous post. I seriously think some of you are agents or mortgage brokers :pac:

Even at €1200 less 50% tax relief I'd still drive down to Galway (over to Galway?) and fix the shower myself in this case - where the tenant is known to the LL. Or let my fingers do the walking - was that an advert here?

gizmo81

Edit wrong thread

mrs.doubt.fire

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I seriously think some of you are agents or mortgage brokers :pac:

I'm neither

readytosnap

LL lives less than a kilometer from the property, he can see the property from his garden.

Samuel T. Cogley

readytosnap wrote: »

LL lives less than a kilometer from the property, he can see the property from his garden.

I have a feeling someone will still be doing the washing etc. for the nest leavers.