Countryside life or City life.

fergiesfolly

solid_rock wrote: »

fergies folly , is your friend long living there ?

because when your a blow in in a rural area , the locals are all friendly at the start as they want to know your story , once that happens , you often become invisible , happened to us after about eighteen months

About 5 years.
Met them on a few occasions and honestly they're a really friendly bunch.
If I ever move, I'm looking for an area like that

fergiesfolly

John_Rambo wrote: »

So your friend mixes well and you don't?

Cool story bro.

"Bro"
Much like your user name, you're stuck in the 80's.

JMNolan

I'll throw my two cents in.

I've lived in the country in a big house and the city in a tiny house and I hated both. What I wanted was the benefit of the country (space and peace) with the benefit of the city (amenities and employment). So after we sold our tiny three bed end of terrace, me and the spouse went looking for a new home but we had the following criteria

Price
Amenities
Space

Everything else secondary. Our thinking was you can't buy space afterwards and you can't buy amenities. So we found this old bungalow with a massive garden in the city, close to city center. House was barely liveable but bit by bit we have done it up.

John_Rambo

Estrellita wrote: »

While some children would be driven to where they need to go, a lot of them also cycle. Those who are driven normally are due to dangerous back roads etc, for their own safety.

I know. That's why urban areas are healthier for kids. Most rural roads are too dangerous for kids to walk on, therefore they have to be driven everywhere. It's simple really.

Estrellita wrote: »

Often rural children have to help out with tasks at home. If they happen to be living on a farm, even more so. Having a sense of responsibility like that is good for them and makes for a more level-headed child. Where you get the notion that country children are all obese, unhealthy and spoiled I cannot fathom.

Majority of people living rural have no connection to the land, they just live rural. City kids and rural kids have tasks and chores.

meeeeh

John_Rambo wrote: »

I know. That's why urban areas are healthier for kids. Most rural roads are too dangerous for kids to walk on, therefore they have to be driven everywhere. It's simple really.

Would stop already with this nonsense. I saw you claim this so often without ever posting any evidence. You know what will your child's weight be most related to? Your income. Children in disadvantaged areas are more likely to be overweight. As they are less likely to go to third level and so on. This rural/city nonsense is not supported with any actual evidence I could find.

But if we are going to use your reasoning kids in my son's school are driven to school because it is not safe to cross major and busy road. I don't think there is an obese child among 200 or so kids. So what does that mean, that driving is good for kids? Or do you think I might be up to other socioeconomic factors?

freshpopcorn

John_Rambo wrote: »

No. Neither has anyone else, but someone will pipe in and say they use it all the time just to prove a point.



There you go.

Usually when referring to your parents house you'd say "my parents house".

When referring to your own house you'd say "my house".

When referring to your sisters house you'd say "my sisters house".

Let's say if your parents have split up and your father lived in an apartment and your mother in the family house you'd say "My fathers apartment or "my mothers house".

It's fairly elementary.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/homeplace

Homeplace a person's birthplace or family home.
I can easily understand how somebody would also home house. I have even heard it in the past.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

Would stop already with this nonsense. I saw you claim this so often without ever posting any evidence. You know what will your child's weight be most related to? Your income. Children in disadvantaged areas are more likely to be overweight. As they are less likely to go to third level and so on. This rural/city nonsense is not supported with any actual evidence I could find.

But if we are going to use your reasoning kids in my son's school are driven to school because it is not safe to cross major and busy road. I don't think there is an obese child among 200 or so kids. So what does that mean, that driving is good for kids? Or do you think I might be up to other socioeconomic factors?

It's nonsense of the highest order!

John_Rambo

meeeeh wrote: »

Would stop already with this nonsense. I saw you claim this so often without ever posting any evidence.

You need "evidence" to show kids that cycle or walk every where are healthier than kids that get driven every where?

It's a shame people can't work this sort of stuff out themselves and they need a link or "evidence" to back up the obvious.

https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2013/02/kids-who-walk-or-bike-school-concentrate-better-study-shows/4585/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16168866
https://www.utoronto.ca/news/why-walking-school-better-driving-your-kids
http://sciencenordic.com/children-who-walk-school-concentrate-better

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zetalambda wrote: »

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I love the anonymity of town/city living.

There is no price on that. Really there isn't. Culchies are nosey, they hate blow ins and I know this.

Why do culchies dislike newcomers. Anyone? And yes they do. I know.

If you know then why are you asking Anyway, please enlighten us? I've never lived in a hardcore culchie area but i'd imagine you'd be fine unless you turn up there with a massive attitude problem or superiority complex and if that's the case you'd be hated where ever you go whether it be town, city or bog. I suspect it's the lack of interaction you like most!

I live in one of them small country villages and I totally agree, lots of people have moved in of all kinds and only 2 thought they were better/ cooler/harder than everyone else...1 is totally ignored and the other moved out after messing with the wrong lad...goodbye Belfast Jimmy...

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I love living in the countryside (East Clare)
But love going on holidays to cities...

meeeeh

John_Rambo wrote: »

You need "evidence" to show kids that cycle or walk every where are healthier than kids that get driven every where?

It's a shame people can't work this sort of stuff out themselves and they need a link or "evidence" to back up the obvious.

https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2013/02/kids-who-walk-or-bike-school-concentrate-better-study-shows/4585/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16168866
https://www.utoronto.ca/news/why-walking-school-better-driving-your-kids
http://sciencenordic.com/children-who-walk-school-concentrate-better

No I need evidence which shows children in cities are more active and have less problems with weight than kids in rural areas. You are changing goalposts again. As far as I know thread is on city and rural living and not on cycling vs driving. You decided something is true because, well I actually don't know why, and you are shoehorning stuff that has nothing to do with it. At the moment your arguments are on a level of charlatan trying to heal cancer with water.

Estrellita

John_Rambo wrote: »

You need "evidence" to show kids that cycle or walk every where are healthier than kids that get driven every where?

It's a shame people can't work this sort of stuff out themselves and they need a link or "evidence" to back up the obvious.

You are being deliberately obtuse. You know full well nobody needs proof that walking is healthier than being driven.

I've lived in both environments, and your point here is at zero. Why? Because I've seen lazy bástard parents bringing their lazy children to school in cars regardless of the fact that they live in an estate merely around a couple of corners.

Dr Crayfish

I'd never live anywhere else in Ireland but Dublin, but the kids to school in cars thing is a moot point. Why are the roads empty in summer and totally packed when kids are in school, in Dublin anyway?

PhoenixParker

If you look at the census results it's clear that a far higher proportion of kids in rural areas are driven or bussed to school than in urban areas.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/census2011profile10/Profile_10_Full_Document.pdf

Page 27.

The numbers are abysmal for both but 35% of urban kids vs 9% of rural kids walk to school.

freshpopcorn

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I'd never live anywhere else in Ireland but Dublin, but the kids to school in cars thing is a moot point. Why are the roads empty in summer and totally packed when kids are in school, in Dublin anyway?

I did grow up in a rural area. I couldn't have really walked to school by myself when I was small. Possible in secondary school.The reason I know why people got driven to school(including people who could have easily walked) was because it was quicker and their bags were to heavy. A lot of people have heavy bags which are a pain to carry around.

Spanish Eyes

After Brexit all you culchies will be living in the cities to get work. Farming is going. Gone nearly.

I am just being a bit bold though!

Where do you all work in the deepest country, do you do mad commutes or what. I know mad commutes happen in Dublin but at least there is the option to hop on a bus or tram after to have a bit of a life.

How do you manage going out on the weekend. Are there taxis to take you home.

I am just putting forward the things my OH says to me about his home place in deepest country. He will never ever move back for anything. Loves city living. As do I, but I was brought up here.

freshpopcorn

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Where do you all work in the deepest country, do you do mad commutes or what. I know mad commutes happen in Dublin but at least there is the option to hop on a bus or tram after to have a bit of a life.

How do you manage going out on the weekend. Are there taxis to take you home.

I am just putting forward the things my OH says to me about his home place in deepest country. He will never ever move back for anything. Loves city living. As do I, but I was brought up here.

I live in country Cork and can easily access the outskirts of Cork city, Little Island/Mahon all in under 40 minutes. Can get to Limerick in about 50 minutes.
Their are plenty of jobs in my local town chefs, nurses, teachers, care workers, factory workers, retail workers all live close by. I'd say the majority of people living rural either work in farming or in the nearby town. People built in newly built estates seem to commute more so but not all of them.(Clonmel, Mallow,etc) Are all within commuting distance. No traffic jams/ques
When I did work in Cork City for a bit I could have got the bus and I anybody I know would always choose to drive.
When you do go out taxi's are easy to get in my area. Four of us to get out to my are would cost between €12-€15

Spanish Eyes

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I live in country Cork and can easily access the outskirts of Cork city, Little Island/Mahon all in under 40 minutes. Can get to Limerick in about 50 minutes.
Their are plenty of jobs in my local town chefs, nurses, teachers, care workers, factory workers, retail workers all live close by. I'd say the majority of people living rural either work in farming or in the nearby town. People built in newly built estates seem to commute more so but not all of them.
When I did work in Cork City for a bit I could have got the bus and I anybody I know would always choose to drive.
When you do go out taxi's are easy to get in my area. Four of us to get out to my are would cost between €12-€15

Cork is a big enough city. I know it well great spot. Plenty of taxis to and fro.

I suppose I was asking about more rural areas really. Where OH is from there is neither a reliable taxi nor a bus service. I am just presuming that might be replicated elsewhere. Talking North West here. Biggest town Sligo or Enniskillen. But in the middle of nowhere really. I would hate it. Sorry.

freshpopcorn

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Cork is a big enough city. I know it well great spot. Plenty of taxis to and fro.

I suppose I was asking about more rural areas really. Where OH is from there is neither a reliable taxi nor a bus service. I am just presuming that might be replicated elsewhere. Talking North West here. Biggest town Sligo or Enniskillen. But in the middle of nowhere really. I would hate it. Sorry.

Lots of regional town around the country have taxi services not just in Cork.
Another thing is Lots of rural pub owners will drop their regulars home on an evening.
Life doesn't involve going to pub/clubs for everybody tough.

John_Rambo

Estrellita wrote: »

You are being deliberately obtuse. You know full well nobody needs proof that walking is healthier than being driven.

I've lived in both environments, and your point here is at zero. Why? Because I've seen lazy bástard parents bringing their lazy children to school in cars regardless of the fact that they live in an estate merely around a couple of corners.

Yeah, I see it to, but it's not as prevalent as it is in rural areas. Look Estrellita, whatever your observations and anecdotes, urban kids walk/cycle to school more than rural ones do. That's a well known fact, particularly in Ireland where bad planning has rural houses located where it's impossible for kids to walk or cycle to school. (See Pheonix's post quoting the census).

One of the reasons I chose to live in an urban environment is I can leave the car at home for most trips, my family can cycle or walk to places like school and work. This means, we're exercising outdoors instead of sitting in a car. If we lived rural it's unlikely we'd be cycling or walking to school/work. We prefer a more active, outdoor lifestyle.

I'm sorry if this vexes you, but they're the facts.

freshpopcorn

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm sorry if this vexes you, but they're the facts.

Leaving the who debate aside!
Have you honestly never heard of somebody saying there home house or home place?

Dr Crayfish

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Leaving the who debate aside!
Have you honestly never heard of somebody saying there home house or home place?

I never bleedin' heard that either. Are yous just winding us up or what?

freshpopcorn

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I never bleedin' heard that either. Are yous just winding us up or what?

Honeatly 100% no. It might be a rural or country side thing. Homeplace is a very common saying from where I'm from.

Ms2011

Our son starts primary school in September, his school is literally around the corner & we will walk it every morning.
When we are in our rural house our kids are hardly ever inside, they have trampolines, swings, slides, sand pits etc to play on along with chickens, things we could never fit in our back garden in Dublin.
I can have my own section for plants, fruits & veggies. Lots of space for entertaining outdoors especially for kids birthday parties.
Moving to the country has meant we are mortgage free which means financially we can also give our children a better standard of living.
I don't drink so whether in Dublin or the country I always drive, I like knowing I can just up & head home whenever I chose in my car.
I suppose if these things aren't important to you then living in the city won't detract for your lifestyle, for us however it enhances our life & that of our kids.

John_Rambo

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Honeatly 100% no. It might be a rural or country side thing. Homeplace is a very common saying from where I'm from.

No. Never heard it before. Not from rural or urban friends. Home home with an emphasis on the second home maybe. But "My Home House" is a new one for an adult to call ones parents house. All adults would call it their parents house or the family home.

freshpopcorn

John_Rambo wrote: »

No. Never heard it before. Not from rural or urban friends. Home home with an emphasis on the second home maybe. But "My Home House" is a new one for an adult to call ones parents house. All adults would call it their parents house or the family home.

Homeplace is common enough!

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/homeplace

Hans Bricks

Have to agree with listermint.

I dunno how anyone would miss the urban, L.A like sprawl of Dublin. I say this as someone who grew up in Clondalkin my whole life. Very few appealing or more importantly affordable areas to live. Can't wait to get out of this kip. What is there to miss ? a few gigs in the Aviva every now and then ? Coldplay in Croker for the big summer gig ? A couple of decent kebab outlets like Zaytoon in Temple bar and aggressive bouncers on the doors of overpriced & expensive clubs on Harcourt and Camden street ? Employment is whats keeping me here. Nothing else. I'd move to my companies office in Galway in a heartbeat if the process didn't take so long.
Pricing apartments and housing online recently in Citywest, Blanch, Lucan etc. Fucking bland, soulless , replica copycat purgatories for financially uncertain middle class yuppies and young families. On the outskirts of a big regional town like Kilkenny or Letterkenny within less than an hours drive to another medium to large city would be ideal for me. Dublin is just over a 2 hour drive from Galway and Cork these days if you wanna come up for a big event.

The "Diversity and culture" of a thai restaurant or Boojum burrito bar somewhere within the south circular road and maybe talk to a Brazilian or Spanish tourist whilst your pisshhed in the Living Room on Cathal Brugha street. Big wuff. You'll get the same diversity on a smaller scale in the other cities down south and west. The parochial cities just don't have that same level of grim destitution and unattractiveness that a lot of Dublin has I find.

John_Rambo

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Homeplace is common enough!

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/homeplace

Yeah, I've heard that one alright. But not "my home house".

John_Rambo

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Have to agree with listermint.

I dunno how anyone would miss the urban, L.A like sprawl of Dublin. I say this as someone who grew up in Clondalkin my whole life. Very few appealing or more importantly affordable areas to live. Can't wait to get out of this kip. What is there to miss ? a few gigs in the Aviva every now and then ? Coldplay in Croker for the big summer gig ? A couple of decent kebab outlets like Zaytoon in Temple bar and aggressive bouncers on the doors of overpriced & expensive clubs on Harcourt and Camden street ? Employment is whats keeping me here. Nothing else. I'd move to my companies office in Galway in a heartbeat if the process didn't take so long.
Pricing apartments and housing online recently in Citywest, Blanch, Lucan etc. Fucking bland, soulless , replica copycat purgatories for financially uncertain middle class yuppies and young families. On the outskirts of a big regional town like Kilkenny or Letterkenny within less than an hours drive to another medium to large city would be ideal for me. Dublin is just over a 2 hour drive from Galway and Cork these days if you wanna come up for a big event.

The "Diversity and culture" of a thai restaurant or Boojum burrito bar somewhere within the south circular road and maybe talk to a Brazilian or Spanish tourist whilst your pisshhed in the Living Room on Cathal Brugha street. Big wuff. You'll get the same diversity on a smaller scale in the other cities down south and west. The parochial cities just don't have that same level of grim destitution and unattractiveness that a lot of Dublin has I find.

You're going to the wrong places.

Hans Bricks

John_Rambo wrote: »

You're going to the wrong places.

I suppose I'm being a bit dismissive of seaside areas like Howth, Malahide, Portmarnock in the NE of Dublin. Ranelagh, Sandymount-Ballsbridge etc.

....

What am I talking about ? I'll never afford them

John_Rambo

Hans Bricks wrote: »

I suppose I'm being a bit dismissive of seaside areas like Howth, Malahide, Portmarnock in the NE of Dublin. Ranelagh, Sandymount-Ballsbridge etc.

I suppose I'm being a big dismissive about people that aren't happy with where they are living and are keen to get out. However! There are much much better places to spend your time eating, drinking and socialising in the city.

Hans Bricks wrote: »

What am I talking about ? I'll never afford them

I don't live in any of those places, but never say never Hans!

zetalambda

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

After Brexit all you culchies will be living in the cities to get work. Farming is going. Gone nearly.

I am just being a bit bold though!

Where do you all work in the deepest country, do you do mad commutes or what. I know mad commutes happen in Dublin but at least there is the option to hop on a bus or tram after to have a bit of a life.

How do you manage going out on the weekend. Are there taxis to take you home.

I am just putting forward the things my OH says to me about his home place in deepest country. He will never ever move back for anything. Loves city living. As do I, but I was brought up here.

We all know that you are single Aspergers Eyes But in case i'm wrong and you genuinely do have an OH, it doesn't say much for you when the best you can do as a Dublin girl, is a potato headed muck savage culchie! (FTR, i'd say you are highly likely to be single )

Spanish Eyes

zetalambda wrote: »

We all know that you are single Aspergers Eyes

LOL. any offers?

zetalambda

Look at your post count! You spend far too much time on here to have a life

JupiterKid

In all my 42 years on this planet I've never ever heard the term "home house" to describe your family or parents' house. Never.

Hometown? For sure. Home place? A few times. But home house? Never.

JupiterKid

JupiterKid wrote: »

In all my 42 years on this planet I've never ever heard the term "home house" to describe your family or parents' house. Never.

Hometown? For sure. Home place? A few times. But home house? Never.

It must be a regional thing so as basically everyone I know (from my area) uses the term.

The Backwards Man

JupiterKid wrote: »

In all my 42 years on this planet I've never ever heard the term "home house" to describe your family or parents' house. Never.

Hometown? For sure. Home place? A few times. But home house? Never.

I suppose it's a country thing, where we all live in actual houses.

Home shoebox apartment, home hovel or home bedsit don't have the same ring to them

John_Rambo

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Home shoebox apartment, home hovel or home bedsit don't have the same ring to them

You’re loosing the debate when you have to turn to nasty snobbery and insults.

You shouldn’t have to run down others to make yours look better.

The Backwards Man

John_Rambo wrote: »

You’re loosing the debate when you have to turn to nasty snobbery and insults.

You shouldn’t have to run down others to make yours look better.

There's a lot of snobbery and snooty comments in this thread alright.

But sure if those that resort to those tactics can't take what they dish out then they're not too well suited to debate anyway.;)

John_Rambo

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There's a lot of snobbery and snooty comments in this thread alright.

No, it's actually just you that's stooping to calling peoples homes shoeboxes and hovels.

Everybody else is just debating where they'd prefer to live and the reasons why.

Good man, carry on dishing it out the insults if it makes you feel better.

Estrellita

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm sorry if this vexes you

Of course it doesn't. There's no mature debate with you. Your posts are made up of silly generalisations with a nasty undertone, I'm not interested to be honest. Quite frankly, I just feel dirty and a bit disappointed in myself for replying to you at all.

John_Rambo

Estrellita wrote: »

Of course it doesn't. There's no mature debate with you. Your posts are made up of silly generalisations with a nasty undertone, I'm not interested to be honest. Quite frankly, I just feel dirty and a bit disappointed in myself for replying to you at all.

You obviously have me mixed up with someone else, others have been dishing out the insults on this thread. I simply stated why I prefer an urban lifestyle to a rural lifestyle. The main one being car reliance.

You should be thanking me for making you feel dirty. :pac:

LordSutch

Pros & cons with both I guess, although the older I get the more drawn I am towards countryside life.

Daisy78

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I know plenty of people in suburbia who live near things and public transport and they ferry their children around just as much people in the country side.
A big difference between the country side and cities is. In the country you can easily drive around without traffic or hassle!

But I think that is the problem, you have no choice but to drive. Growing up I'd have my mother plagued about joining after school clubs but given there was just the one car which my dad used for getting work this wasn't an option. And public transport wasn't available so it wasn't like we could hop on a bus to get to where we wanted to go. There was no alternative to using the car.

freshpopcorn

Daisy78 wrote: »

But I think that is the problem, you have no choice but to drive. Growing up I'd have my mother plagued about joining after school clubs but given there was just the one car which my dad used for getting work this wasn't an option. And public transport wasn't available so it wasn't like we could hop on a bus to get to where we wanted to go. There was no alternative to using the car.

You have to make sacrifices when you choose where you live tough. If I was to move to the city I'd have to give up my large garden, being able to grow lots of vegetables, being able to keep lots of hens etc(Which I'd consider important to me) but I would be near to public transport, shopping centers,etc in the city(Which wouldn't be important to me)

Chuchote

Daisy78 wrote: »

But I think that is the problem, you have no choice but to drive. Growing up I'd have my mother plagued about joining after school clubs but given there was just the one car which my dad used for getting work this wasn't an option. And public transport wasn't available so it wasn't like we could hop on a bus to get to where we wanted to go. There was no alternative to using the car.

rustynutz

I live in the country but sometimes work in Dublin so I have tasted both sides. In my twenties I enjoyed living in the city and the convenience of everything on my doorstep, but now I am in my thirties with kids I cant imagine living in a city. I live 15 minutes from a big town that has almost everything you would find in a city, but I have the peace and quite of the country side, living in a detached house, on a 1.5 acre site, with nearest neighbors 200 m away.

As I get older, I'm finding when I do end up in Dublin for work, I can't wait to get out of it. Between traffic, lack of convenient parking, everything is more expensive from a coffee to food, clothes etc. people are generally not as helpful or friendly (I know lots of lovely Dublin people, but I find people more friendly outside of Dublin), and recently the house prices make it even less attractive.

Biggest downside I find to country life is obviously the work opportunities are not as good, but I live within an hour of Galway city so could commute if needed.

Chuchote

rustynutz wrote: »

Biggest downside I find to country life is obviously the work opportunities are not as good, but I live within an hour of Galway city so could commute if needed.

I don't understand why highly qualified people in country areas don't get together, use their networking skills and attract businesses to provide work. Tis well I remember a photo of three classes in a Donegal village, virtually all now in America, Europe, Australia, China, Britain, Saudi - and virtually all very highly qualified in really marketable things like statistical analysis, engineering, languages, etc. Why couldn't they have pooled their skills on Skype, WhatsApp, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, pooled their contacts lists too, and brought in even one high-tech factory and a few professional offices? Why should all the work be in Dublin, when the capital's suffering such infrastructural problems?

Neames

Lived in the city for a long time loved it.

I now live in the countryside, love it too. Very quiet and peaceful.

My kid loves the small close-knit community, so of course I love it then as well because she's happy.

I really like getting the odd break away in the city for nightlife and things to do.

Greentopia

Everyone will have a different answer depending on many different factors-age, work, family, lifestyle.

For me the city is to sell your goods, meet friends, enjoy culture not available in rural Ireland. Not to live though unless you're young. Too much noise, people, pollution, cars.

The country to have land and grow food, be closer to nature, get away from the madding crowds, have a relaxed pace of living. That's my future in the next couple of years, all going well. Right now I live in a German city and meh, apart from the fact my fiancee is here I'm not that keen on it. Back to Ireland next year and rural living.

What's great about Ireland is you can have both as you're never too far from either.