Vehicles removed from housing estate.

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 12:28pm #1

Just heard of 3 vehicles being removed from a local housing estate for obstructing manholes. Although these vehicles were parked on the footpath this seems over the top as the owners of the vehicles were not at home and got no warning. I know it is not ideal to be parked on the footpath but in a housing estate this is a common practice. When the workman arrived he proceeded to ring the guards and then the recovery truck arrived. There is a hefty cost to recover these vehicles now and a lot of people would not be aware of this happening. Is this practice entirely legal or should there be a warning first to give the people a chance to remove the Vehicles?

mikeybrennan · 08-07-2017 12:30pm

I'd say its above board unfortunately

blocking access to services

daheff · 08-07-2017 12:32pm

If the cars are parked illegally they can be taken away....parking on footpath would sound to be illegal. Does seem OTT though

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 12:42pm

daheff wrote: »

If the cars are parked illegally they can be taken away....parking on footpath would sound to be illegal. Does seem OTT though

Yes I agree that it is technically wrong but it is something that is common in a lot of estates. It's something I would not have ever thought about until I heard this story.

Gatling · 08-07-2017 12:48pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

Is this practice entirely legal or should there be a warning first to give the people a chance to remove the Vehicles?

If people aren't home how would they be contacted to come and move their cars blocking the man holes ,

08-07-2017 12:52pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

Yes I agree that it is technically wrong but it is something that is common in a lot of estates. It's something I would not have ever thought about until I heard this story.

It is not "technically wrong". It is just wrong. People need to have some thought of outside themselves.

Atlantic Dawn · 08-07-2017 12:55pm

I presume all were also taxed and insured? Why couldn't they not just move them aside instead of seizing them?

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 12:58pm

Gatling wrote: »

If people aren't home how would they be contacted to come and move their cars blocking the man holes ,

Give them warning in advance that there will be working in the area.

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 1:02pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is not "technically wrong". It is just wrong. People need to have some thought of outside themselves.

I posted this on here for a friend as he had no boards account and I said to him there will be some do-gooders coming on giving their opinions. Only had to wait a few posts. I know I wouldn't be happy if my car was seized from outside my house.

fishfoodie · 08-07-2017 1:14pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

I posted this on here for a friend as he had no boards account and I said to him there will be some do-gooders coming on giving their opinions. Only had to wait a few posts. I know I wouldn't be happy if my car was seized from outside my house.

How happy would you be if your house was on fire, & someone had parked their car on top of the hydrant, so the FB couldn't get access to it ?

Bushmanpm · 08-07-2017 1:22pm

sboyle01 wrote:

I posted this on here for a friend as he had no boards account and I said to him there will be some do-gooders coming on giving their opinions. Only had to wait a few posts. I know I wouldn't be happy if my car was seized from outside my house.

I thought that was the idea of boards, you start a thread asking for peoples opinions?
Handy tip: if you don't want your car towed, don't park like an ignorant, selfish, obnoxious, self absorbed, arrogant tw4t.
What about the regular pedestrians trying to get past? And that's before you consider the blind, the less able, people walking dogs, old people, parents with pushchairs, wheelchair users? Sod them, let them walk in the road around the car? This level of self importance is galactic and as much as I doubt the towed vehicles owners will change their habits any time soon, at least its hit them in the wallet.
Oh, and if that makes me a do-gooder, well its been a while since calling me names hurt my feels.

Mrs OBumble · 08-07-2017 1:25pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

I posted this on here for a friend as he had no boards account and I said to him there will be some do-gooders coming on giving their opinions. Only had to wait a few posts. I know I wouldn't be happy if my car was seized from outside my house.

Park legally and it won't happen.

And seriously if someone is dumb[] enough to park over a manhole, are they really smart enough to be driving.

[] = mod deletion

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 1:26pm

fishfoodie wrote: »

How happy would you be if your house was on fire, & someone had parked their car on top of the hydrant, so the FB couldn't get access to it ?

Then why don't the guards drive around every estate in the country and lift every car parked on the footpath?

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 1:34pm

Bushmanpm wrote: »

I thought that was the idea of boards, you start a thread asking for peoples opinions?
Handy tip: if you don't want your car towed, don't park like an ignorant, selfish, obnoxious, self absorbed, arrogant tw4t.
What about the regular pedestrians trying to get past? And that's before you consider the blind, the less able, people walking dogs, old people, parents with pushchairs, wheelchair users? Sod them, let them walk in the road around the car? This level of self importance is galactic and as much as I doubt the towed vehicles owners will change their habits any time soon, at least its hit them in the wallet.
Oh, and if that makes me a do-gooder, well its been a while since calling me names hurt my feels.

I just wanted to find out if it was legal and above board the way they behaved. Not interested in condescending lectures on the moral side of it.

CeilingFly · 08-07-2017 1:37pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

I just wanted to find out if it was legal and above board the way they behaved. Not interested in condescending lectures on the moral side of it.

Answer is yes.

Yes they can remove a car parked illegally and causing an obstruction.

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 1:39pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

Answer is yes.

Yes they can remove a car parked illegally and causing an obstruction.

Thanks. That's all I wanted to know.

Victor · 08-07-2017 1:40pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

Then why don't the guards drive around every estate in the country and lift every car parked on the footpath?

Priorities.

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 1:47pm

Victor wrote: »

Priorities.

Exactly. It's hardly seen as a major crime as some people on here would have you believe.

my3cents · 08-07-2017 1:55pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

Exactly. It's hardly seen as a major crime as some people on here would have you believe.

I've worked on roadside jobs and even if you cone off the area, put up notices and put notes through doors people ignore the notes, move the cones and park anyway.

So from experience I'd be 100% in favour of getting the guards out to move cars if that was an option.

iguana · 08-07-2017 1:57pm

Bushmanpm wrote: »

What about the regular pedestrians trying to get past? And that's before you consider the blind, the less able, people walking dogs, old people, parents with pushchairs, wheelchair users? Sod them, let them walk in the road around the car? This level of self importance is galactic and as much as I doubt the towed vehicles owners will change their habits any time soon, at least its hit them in the wallet.

And that's just the pedestrians. Selfish [] parking where they shouldn't often endangers drivers too as it can reduce visibility. Some [] friend of one of my neighbours always parks half on the footpath, half on the raised cycle path and assumes it's fine because people can get around him. But if I or our other neighbour are coming off our drives we can't see cars or cyclists coming off the t-junction beyond the neighbour's house and those drivers/cyclists can't see us. There are actual reasons why you can't just park on the pavement, it's not just a silly rule put there to piss people off.

[]=mod deletions. Plse be polite

Victor · 08-07-2017 1:59pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

Exactly. It's hardly seen as a major crime as some people on here would have you believe.

But it is a crime. It is a crime because it is offensive and unsafe behaviour.

Realise that you may be coming across as outraged that people can't break the law, whereas others are outraged because people are breaking the law.

judeboy101 · 08-07-2017 2:01pm

Is it a public or private estate?

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 2:03pm

Victor wrote: »

But it is a crime. It is a crime because it is offensive and unsafe behaviour.

Realise that you may be coming across as outraged that people can't break the law, whereas others are outraged because people are breaking the law.

So presumably these people could have been charged by the guards along with having their vehicles removed.

TheChizler · 08-07-2017 2:09pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

So presumably these people could have been charged by the guards along with having their vehicles removed.

Normally dealt with through a fixed penalty notice.

Victor · 08-07-2017 2:12pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

So presumably these people could have been charged by the guards along with having their vehicles removed.

The Garda / council charge people a hefty tow fee / daily rate.

judeboy101 wrote: »

Is it a public or private estate?

Garda / council will normally only intervene when a road is in the charge of the council.

But note that some offences, e.g. relating to insurance or dangerous driving apply to public roads and public places (places where the general public have access, so the road doesn't need to be in the charge of the council).

nuac · 08-07-2017 2:21pm

Bushmanpm wrote: »

I thought that was the idea of boards, you start a thread asking for peoples opinions?
Handy tip: if you don't want your car towed, don't park like Mod deletion. No insults pls.

What about the regular pedestrians trying to get past? And that's before you consider the blind, the less able, people walking dogs, old people, parents with pushchairs, wheelchair users? Sod them, let them walk in the road around the car? This level of self importance is galactic and as much as I doubt the towed vehicles owners will change their habits any time soon, at least its hit them in the wallet.
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Oh, and if that makes me a do-gooder, well its been a while since calling me names hurt my feels.

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sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 2:26pm

judeboy101 wrote: »

Is it a public or private estate?

Not sure. All I know is that the pavement is in such a bad state it would be a hazard to use.

nuac · 08-07-2017 2:27pm

Bushmanpm wrote: »

I thought that was the idea of boards, you start a thread asking for peoples opinions?
Handy tip: if you don't want your car towed, don't park like Mod deletion. No insults pls.

What about the regular pedestrians trying to get past? And that's before you consider the blind, the less able, people walking dogs, old people, parents with pushchairs, wheelchair users? Sod them, let them walk in the road around the car? This level of self importance is galactic and as much as I doubt the towed vehicles owners will change their habits any time soon, at least its hit them in the wallet.
Oh, and if that makes me a do-gooder, well its been a while since calling me names hurt my feels.

[] = mod deletions

HivemindXX · 08-07-2017 2:30pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

Exactly. It's hardly seen as a major crime as some people on here would have you believe.

Nobody here has said this was a major crime. They've said it is an offence and there is nothing wrong with the car being removed. That was stated in both of the first two replies. If you really only wanted the information, instead of validation for the person you are supposedly posting on behalf of, you'd have been happy with that.

In fact the only person trying to make a mountain out of a molehill is you. Wondering if it was legal for the car which was blocking services to be removed.

You and/or your friend should be glad they apparently get away with this behaviour regularly and not be moaning about the one time the tables are turned and they were the one inconvenienced and trying to suggest that unless every example is dealt with the authorities are wrong to deal with any example. In fact removing the car when it was actually blocking work is an extremely reasonable position to take.

Note, by the way, that in general when people moan about do gooders and/or people on high horses it is a very strong indicator that all they wanted wss someone to validate their own bad behaviour and they are upset when they discover that other people don't agree with them. If all you see is a bunch of decent people who agree you didn't do anything wrong and a bunch of stupid do gooders who wrongly think you did then you were never looking for a discussion.

nuac · 08-07-2017 2:33pm

Bushmanpm wrote: »

I thought that was the idea of boards, you start a thread asking for peoples opinions?
Handy tip: if you don't want your car towed, don't park like Mod deletion. No insults pls.
What about the regular pedestrians trying to get past? And that's before you consider the blind, the less able, people walking dogs, old people, parents with pushchairs, wheelchair users? Sod them, let them walk in the road around the car? This level of self importance is galactic and as much as I doubt the towed vehicles owners will change their habits any time soon, at least its hit them in the wallet.
Oh, and if that makes me a do-gooder, well its been a while since calling me names hurt my feels.

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NUTLEY BOY · 08-07-2017 2:36pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

Just heard of 3 vehicles being removed from a local housing estate for obstructing manholes. Although these vehicles were parked on the footpath this seems over the top as the owners of the vehicles were not at home and got no warning. I know it is not ideal to be parked on the footpath but in a housing estate this is a common practice. When the workman arrived he proceeded to ring the guards and then the recovery truck arrived. There is a hefty cost to recover these vehicles now and a lot of people would not be aware of this happening. Is this practice entirely legal or should there be a warning first to give the people a chance to remove the Vehicles?

Not all works requiring access are planned. Sometimes a random issue can arise and immediate access might be required. In any event, access to the manholes should be available at all times.

Parking a car on the footpath is illegal.

ED E · 08-07-2017 2:40pm

Might I ask whose manholes these were?

Irish Water: Touchy subject in some estates
Eir/Virgin: Normally no rush
ESB: Will always get priority access if required

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 2:42pm

HivemindXX wrote: »

Nobody here has said this was a major crime. They've said it is an offence and there is nothing wrong with the car being removed. That was stated in both of the first two replies. If you really only wanted the information, instead of validation for the person you are supposedly posting on behalf of, you'd have been happy with that.

In fact the only person trying to make a mountain out of a molehill is you. Wondering if it was legal for the car which was blocking services to be removed.

You and/or your friend should be glad they apparently get away with this behaviour regularly and not be moaning about the one time the tables are turned and they were the one inconvenienced and trying to suggest that unless every example is dealt with the authorities are wrong to deal with any example. In fact removing the car when it was actually blocking work is an extremely reasonable position to take.

Note, by the way, that in general when people moan about do gooders and/or people on high horses it is a very strong indicator that all they wanted wss someone to validate their own bad behaviour and they are upset when they discover that other people don't agree with them. If all you see is a bunch of decent people who agree you didn't do anything wrong and a bunch of stupid do gooders who wrongly think you did then you were never looking for a discussion.

Let's be clear this case has nothing to do with me. I have no reason to hide that. Its not even in the area i live in so you aren't as clever as you think.

Bushmanpm · 08-07-2017 3:50pm

sboyle01 wrote:

I just wanted to find out if it was legal and above board the way they behaved. Not interested in condescending lectures on the moral side of it.

None of what I posted was condescending, it was factual. The vehicles were illegally parked and caused a hazard/obstruction to everyone else. Are the vehicle owners too lazy to park 10 or 20 metres (or however far before the Pedant Police strike!) further along?

If you feel condescended to perhaps the problem lies with you, I was just illustrating the consequences of the selfishness.

cbreeze · 08-07-2017 3:56pm

Pavements are not meant to be parked on at any time - they are not as hard wearing as roads. The pavement outside my house is cracked because drivers park on it constantly. They are possibly thinking that their cars will be safer from traffic passing.

Bushmanpm · 08-07-2017 4:50pm

sboyle01 wrote:

Not sure. All I know is that the pavement is in such a bad state it would be a hazard to use.

cbreeze wrote:

Pavements are not meant to be parked on at any time - they are not as hard wearing as roads. The pavement outside my house is cracked because drivers park on it constantly. They are possibly thinking that their cars will be safer from traffic passing.

....aaaand QED

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 6:36pm

ED E wrote: »

Might I ask whose manholes these were?

Irish Water: Touchy subject in some estates
Eir/Virgin: Normally no rush
ESB: Will always get priority access if required

Irish water

Panjandrums · 08-07-2017 7:57pm

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ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 08-07-2017 8:02pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

I posted this on here for a friend as he had no boards account and I said to him there will be some do-gooders coming on giving their opinions. Only had to wait a few posts. I know I wouldn't be happy if my car was seized from outside my house.

So you posted only wanting replies that agree with you. Manholes or no manholes, common in estates or not, parking on the footpath is illegal, inconsiderate, an obstacle to many and unwarranted.

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 8:23pm

Lucille Stale Drunkard wrote: »

So you posted only wanting replies that agree with you. Manholes or no manholes, common in estates or not, parking on the footpath is illegal, inconsiderate, an obstacle to many and unwarranted.

Incorrect. I posted here to find out if it was legal. Personally I couldn't care less if they lifted every car in the estate. Some people have come on here to make a lot of snooty and aggressive comments though.

Guy:Incognito · 08-07-2017 8:24pm

sboyle01 wrote: »

Give them warning in advance that there will be working in the area.

They do give them a warning. Years of warning by writing laws.

sboyle01 · 08-07-2017 8:29pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

They do give them a warning. Years of warning by writing laws.

Read my last post. You are just proving my point.

testicles · 08-07-2017 8:44pm

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Vehicles removed from housing estate.

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