Is AH homophobic and transphobic?

gizmo81

Tonight on AH

When will they add S for schizophrenic and other mental illnesses? (Hank Scorpio)

Wouldn't you be happier at one of your poz parties? (Funky Bass)

Thread after thread on AH attacking LGBTQ+ people.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057759716

Is AH homophobic? Does it facilitate homophobia?

Why isn't a ban on homophobia/transphobia included on the charter?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057761627

Great. What brand of Tampons do you use?
God I miss the days when men where men and women where women....
Boys should not be playing with Barbie dolls. If you want to raise your kid to be some sissy then go ahead but I won't be giving out to my son for laughing at yours and his Barbie.
You're not 'allowing' them to do anything, you're deliberately screwing them up in other to further societal acceptance of your abnormality.
Why not just raise them normally?
Blame psychology. F***ed up excuse for a science.
That's the way the world works.If children made decisions for themselves none of them would go to school do their homework and we'd be left with generation after generation of lazy idiots.Although based on some of your posts maybe that's what happened in your house growing up.

This is an extremely bad reflection on Boards.ie

Reporting is making no difference. What have the moderators done to curtail this?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057760208 (Post 5)

Sonics2k

I am honestly so horrible conflicted about this topic.

If anyone knows my posting history here on boards, they'll know I'm extremely pro-LGBT without question.

With that said, boards.ie should be a place for open and frank discussion. To simply ban, block and dismiss those of a different opinion is bloody dangerous stuff, and whilst boards.ie obviously doesn't have 'Freedom of Speech' it set's a bad precedent to simply ban those who say things you don't like.

Frankly I think boards.ie Mods do a great job of banning the re-reg trolls, those who seek to anger or hurt, and also keeping the more 'intolerant' poster restrained in what they can say or get away with.

At the end of the day, outright banning anything we dislike only enforces their belief that they are right and persecuted, and will simply push them further into their cocoon of hatred.

gizmo81

Things are so bad that LGBTQ+ People of boards.ie are not allowed to highlight the bigotry they face here in the safety of their own forum!!!!!

This is akin to IONA trying to redefine homophobic!!!

KERSPLAT!

The thread is an hour and a half old and it's a Saturday night. How about giving the mods a chance to mod. Report the posts and they'll looked at when possible.

gizmo81

This isn't just happening tonight. It's happening constantly.

Lets not ban racism so, let's not ban sexism.

Let's just have a free for all, which it seems to be anyway.

The misogyny, transphobia and homophobia on boards is disgusting.

Mr.Frame

Comments like the following

Originally Posted by Hank Scorpio View Post
The US army now have to enroll transgender people as a requirement because they succumbed to Political pressure.

Can you tell me how that makes America safer?

If thats not transphobic I dont know what is. It is outrageous and disgraceful.

Mr.Frame

Or
Bambis comments "They're worse than world of warcraft for levelling up" again pretty disgraceful

Gremlinertias comment ,, "Bring in 'S' for schizophrenia? Lumping the 'T' in?. What is the distinction for you? All LGB are mentally unwell or?."

ToddyDoodys comment "It used to be GLBT until the lesbians threw their weight around and changed it to them first.

As you can imagine, the gays were helpless in its defence."

You dont have to be a Moderator to see the above comments are hugely offensive to all LGBTQ people , yet there is nothing on AH charter to stop this type of disgusting talk.
Surely any decent person can see the comments are simply offensive.

Peregrine

gizmo81 wrote: »

Reporting is making no difference.

A little unfair.

gizmo81 wrote: »

What have the moderators done to curtail this?

Could you rewrite your post and list the posts that were actioned? There's usually a card or a text indicating that they were banned. If the post is no longer visible, then the user as most likely banned and had their posts deleted.

Because I know I've dealt with a few of the posts you listed. It's not fair for you to list them again as a moderator issue and say reporting isn't making any difference and asking what we've done about it when at least some of it was dealt with.

gizmo81

The Rape of Lucretia

The '+' always seems a little sneaky to me : just put the 'P' rather than being coy and discriminating against Paedophiles.


This is not acceptable.

gizmo81

Equating homosexuality and pedophillia

Nagnata: What if someone is a nonce?

gizmo81

Third time

Traveller Row: They get a P for 'pedosexual'.

Zaph

gizmo81 wrote: »

The Rape of Lucretia

The '+' always seems a little sneaky to me : just put the 'P' rather than being coy and discriminating against Paedophiles.


This is not acceptable.

Nobody said it was and the poster has been banned for 3 month from AH as a result.

gizmo81 wrote: »

Equating homosexuality and pedophillia

Nagnata: What if someone is a nonce?

This post has yet to be actioned by a mod. presumably none have been around or in a position to do so yet.

gizmo81 wrote: »

Third time

Traveller Row: They get a P for 'pedosexual'.

Troll. Permanently sitebanned.

So it would seem that your outrage is somewhat misplaced. It's the weekend, things aren't necessarily going to be dealt with as quickly as there aren't as many mods online, but as you can see in the above two cases they were dealt with, and with serious consequences for the poster at that. And just to point out that you reported the third poster two minutes before posting about them here. It's pretty unfair to expect any action to be taken that quickly, although as it happens they were sitebanned five minutes after the reported post.

Mr.Frame

Zaph wrote: »

Nobody said it was and the poster has been banned for 3 month from AH as a result.



This post has yet to be actioned by a mod. presumably none have been around or in a position to do so yet.



Troll. Permanently sitebanned.

So it would seem that your outrage is somewhat misplaced. It's the weekend, things aren't necessarily going to be dealt with as quickly as there aren't as many mods online, but as you can see in the above two cases they were dealt with, and with serious consequences for the poster at that.

With respect saying to Gizmo that his "outrage is somewhat misplaced" is quite staggering.

The facts of the matter are,that offensive comments were made and are being made against LGBTQ people on a seemingly regular basis on AH.

If he or others had not pointed them out to mods this weekend then they quite possibly could have been let stand and more posters could feel free to say what they liked about LGBTQ people.

Why isnt there something in the AH charter that makes it clear that homophobic comments will get a ban or infraction.

It's not much to ask.

gizmo81

This isn't an issue that has begun this weekend. It'a a recurring issue on AH.

I'm sorry you don't like me pointing this out. Instead of criticising me, why don't you tell me how you are going to stop the issue of recurring threads on AH being used to attack the LGBTQ+ Community.

Please don't tell an LGBTQ+ person not to be outraged at homophobic comments.

Allow my post listing numerous threads in the last 10 months doing that.

Zaph

Apologies, maybe I should have been clearer, I was only referring to the outrage relating to the three posts that gizmo reported above. You are right to be outraged at anyone making homophobic comments and I would hope that all such comments are dealt with appropriately. But you have to give the mods time to do their job, and complaining about a post two minutes after it was reported is pretty unfair.

gizmo81

Zaph wrote: »

Apologies, maybe I should have been clearer, I was only referring to the outrage relating to the three posts that gizmo reported above. You are right to be outraged at anyone making homophobic comments and I would hope that all such comments are dealt with appropriately. But you have to give the mods time to do their job, and complaining about a post two minutes after it was reported is pretty unfair.

You are just trying to deflect. The issue is bigger than you are admitting.

The issue is what have the Mods done to curtail this homophobia in AH?

What are the LGBTQ+ Forum Mods so silent?

A selection from AH the last few months.



http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057743600&page=11

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103649143

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103623588

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103540022

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103518226

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103371480

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101798636

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100896523

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100838596

dudara

gizmo81 - I don't know what's going on but I'm getting 404s when I try to access those links. Are others experiencing the same?

gizmo81

dudara wrote: »

gizmo81 - I don't know what's going on but I'm getting 404s when I try to access those links. Are others experiencing the same?

I don't know Dudara, Sorry.

gizmo81

dudara wrote: »

gizmo81 - I don't know what's going on but I'm getting 404s when I try to access those links. Are others experiencing the same?

Dudara could you go to post 144 on the AH thread in question the links are working there.

I copied and pasted that post to here so that is probably why. Sorry.

Mr.Frame

dudara wrote: »

gizmo81 - I don't know what's going on but I'm getting 404s when I try to access those links. Are others experiencing the same?

Yes me too

Taltos

I've updated all but your first link as I'm not sure what that's linking to.
The other links for some reason got truncated when you posted them, maybe its how you copied them in but I've updated the rest to show where they need to be.

I think it happens if you copy a hyperlink instead of the link itself. The hyperlink works find but the new copy is just text as its missing crucial address info for the link to really work.

gizmo81

Taltos wrote: »

I've updated all but your first link as I'm not sure what that's linking to.
The other links for some reason got truncated when you posted them, maybe its how you copied them in but I've updated the rest to show where they need to be.

I think it happens if you copy a hyperlink instead of the link itself. The hyperlink works find but the new copy is just text as its missing crucial address info for the link to really work.

Apologies Taltos I'm not very good at 'computers'

Annasopra

The links seem to be here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104033322&postcount=144

Gizmo if I could address some of your points

Personally I agree with some of the points you make. In fact you will see in the helpdesk I questioned this week why some moderation in AH was (in my view) quite lenient.

The forum moderators on the LGBT forum are ordinary posters in AH just like you. We do not moderate the whole site. It is not our role to moderate the whole site. You are wrong to suggest our silence. As an ORDINARY USER of the AH forum I am far from silent about homophobia and transphobia on AH. Your accusations of silence are just wrong. If you want me to ask the mods for a list of all the reported posts I have there as proof fair enough but please don't accuse us falsely of silence.

The LGBT forum also simply isn't the correct place to decide to have a go at other forums. That is general etiquette on this site. I wouldn't like it if someone started a thread in AH just to just give out how bad the LGBT forum is. You were directed to report posts and use feedback channels. The thread in the LGBT forum was closed because complaints you had about AH were best directed through other channels.

Lastly I think Zaphs response was fair enough. You said reporting posts doesn't work. It clearly does. I saw quite a lot of posts that were actioned in the last day or two.

MysticMonk

There's no such word as "transphobia"..people are taking political correctness to absurd levels.

gizmo81

I don't expect you to moderate the whole forum. However I think you should be lobbying hard for the inclusion of homo/transphobia on site wide charters.

I don't think it's fair that the LGBT community cannot discuss homophobia within our online community, Believe me if I wanted to have a go I would have gone hard!

Reporting posts may work in the short term, but this is a bigger problem on AH than one thread.

Yes, i found your helpdesk thread and found the responses very dismissive.

The fact is Boards.ie is not a friendly place for LGBTQ+ people. Whether this is a new phenomenon or not I am unaware.

These threads start nearly one after the other and remain on the first page.

If I was to hazard a guess I'd imagine the mods feel this makes them and their forum relevant, what other reason is there for not putting a ban on homophobic and transphobic abuse. The mods reiterating 'we feel there's more to discuss' is absolute bull.

The posts are trollish, uneducated at best, outright homo/transphobia at worst.

I know this is difficult to hear, but you are all shooting the messenger.

KERSPLAT!

It's clear from that thread in AH that homophobia and transphobia isn't tolerated so what is it that you want? Inclusion of "No homophobic/transphobic comments" in the AH charter?

Is it not covered under boards.ie general T&Cs?

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gizmo81

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

It's clear from that thread in AH that homophobia and transphobia isn't tolerated so what is it that you want? Inclusion of "No homophobic/transphobic comments" in the AH charter?

Is it not covered under boards.ie general T&Cs?

The charter includes Racism and Sexism, I see Homo/transphobia the same and should be included sending out a clear message that comments aligning LGBTQ+ to beastiality, pedophilia, mental illness and so on is not tolerated.

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Mr.Frame

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

It's clear from that thread in AH that homophobia and transphobia isn't tolerated so what is it that you want? Inclusion of "No homophobic/transphobic comments" in the AH charter?

Is it not covered under boards.ie general T&Cs?

Perhaps it should be, as it's an excellent idea.

Including the words "no homophobic/transphobic comments tolerated".

It's clear, it's precise and to the point.

Cannot see any reason why it is not stated in the AH charter or covered under Boards.ie

Maybe as of today 10/07/2017, the Mods of Boards.ie can include it.

gizmo81

MysticMonk wrote: »

There's no such word as "transphobia"..people are taking political correctness to absurd levels.

The Oxford and Merriam Dictionaries disagree.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/transphobia

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/transphobia

KERSPLAT!

I don't believe that those spouting homophobic or transphobic nonsense will change their posting style because of a line in a charter but I understand the points raised and I've raised this with the AH mods and will update here once I get some feedback from them.

Jobs OXO

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I don't believe that those spouting homophobic or transphobic nonsense will change their posting style because of a line in a charter but I understand the points raised and I've raised this with the AH mods and will update here once I get some feedback from them.

Sure why have a charter at all if that's your stance????

Why is all feedback (no Matter how valid) always pushed back upon in favour of the status quo???