Season 7 Episode 1 "Dragonstone" - "Non book readers"

frostyjacks

I cringed a little at the part where they agreed to train girls to fight alongside the men. It just felt out of line with everything that's gone before. This reviewer sums it up well, "...Winterfell has been invaded by something more terrifying and insidious even than White Walkers: feminism."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/game-of-thrones-should-have-at-least-arranged-for-ed-sheeran-to-be-stabbed/

kunst nugget

frostyjacks wrote: »

I cringed a little at the part where they agreed to train girls to fight alongside the men. It just felt out of line with everything that's gone before. This reviewer sums it up well, "...Winterfell has been invaded by something more terrifying and insidious even than White Walkers: feminism."

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/game-of-thrones-should-have-at-least-arranged-for-ed-sheeran-to-be-stabbed/

The little Lady Mormont character is slightly annoying but there's been no dramatic change in the female character arcs to have them be suddenly 'woke' to appeal to milennials or whatever nonsense your man is coming out with.

He seems even more insufferable than Lady Mormont.

seamus

If anything the purpose of adding the girls into the mix is to illustrate just how desperate times are, that even the women will be required to fight.

Whoever wrote that article is looking for opportunities to be offended by feminism and dying to shoehorn political agendas into every discussion.

CMOTDibbler

seamus wrote: »

If anything the purpose of adding the girls into the mix is to illustrate just how desperate times are, that even the women will be required to fight.

Whoever wrote that article is looking for opportunities to be offended by feminism and dying to shoehorn political agendas into every discussion.

Yeah. Especially since Jon was talking about the wildlings and how their women fight. It's not as though it was something that was thought up as a sop to political correctness.

redfacedbear

seamus wrote: »

Whoever wrote that article is looking for opportunities to be offended by feminism and dying to shoehorn political agendas into every discussion.

I for one am shocked to the core that frostyjacks found such an article meaningful

Not to mention, the status of women in Westorosi society and the challenging of the norms has been a recurring theme right throughout the show from Arya wanting to learn swordcraft in the 1st season, through Brienne, the Wildlings etc

seamus

redfacedbear wrote: »

I for one am shocked to the core that frostyjacks found such an article meaningful

Not to mention, the status of women in Westorosi society and the challenging of the norms has been a recurring theme right throughout the show from Arya wanting to learn swordcraft in the 1st season, through Brienne, the Wildlings etc

Hell, the episode right before that saw Sansa give up her rightful place as Queen in the North to a bastard, because she felt the other houses wouldn't follow her. If Sansa had been male, there would have been no question that she would be in charge.

DeadHand

seamus wrote: »

Hell, the episode right before that saw Sansa give up her rightful place as Queen in the North to a bastard, because she felt the other houses wouldn't follow her. If Sansa had been male, there would have been no question that she would be in charge.

Sansa has no greater right to the title than Jon.

The title was not hereditary- Ned was never King in the North. Robb won it through exploit during what was essentially a war of independence which was initially successful; he won the title through popular demand and carried it briefly.

It died with him when the war lost and with it independence. No independence means no Kingdom means no succession.

What Jon is now head of is a new, seperate independence movement. He, like Robb, has earned it through exploit rather than inheritance.

In theory, any Northern noble could be declared King though Starks naturally have the best Pedigree for the job being the North's most prominent noble family and owing to the fact the last KITNs before Robb were Starks.

Sansa has a greater right to Winterfell but that is a different thing altogether.

Given that Sansa hasn't achieved a fraction of what Jon has politically and militarily, Jon has the stronger claim to what is a declarative position won mostly on merit.

lazybones32

frostyjacks wrote: »

I cringed a little at the part where they agreed to train girls to fight alongside the men. It just felt out of line with everything that's gone before. This reviewer sums it up well, "...Winterfell has been invaded by something more terrifying and insidious even than White Walkers: feminism.

Disagree. Feminists only want the 'right' to enlist, they don't want to do any actual fighting.

CMOTDibbler

lazybones32 wrote: »

Disagree. Feminists only want the 'right' to enlist, they don't want to do any actual fighting.

That's wrong on so many different levels. But that's for another forum.

But to put it in the frame of the episode just gone, Jon's clearly a feminist.

Arghus

lazybones32 wrote: »

Disagree. Feminists only want the 'right' to enlist, they don't want to do any actual fighting.

Jesus Christ. Leave it out.

Daledge

“I'll tell you what doesn't scare me: Bald cocksuckers like you. You think you're fooling anyone with that 'top knot?' Bald ****.”

rossie1977

3.5 million viewers in the uk for the season opener. Insane numbers

CMOTDibbler

rossie1977 wrote: »

3.5 million viewers in the uk for the season opener. Insane numbers

Some US hit shows don't get those numbers in the US. :eek: