Dublin City Marathon 29 Oct 2017 - *** NOTE: no number transfer!

Reg'stoy

Just wanted to give a different perspective of yesterdays race.
Personally I've completed a Dublin Marathon and ran the last half in Newbridge, so like most here I'd only really seen the race from the little bubble around me.
I've also gone into town and stood by the road and cheered on but yesterday I was in one of the sweeper vehicles following the last participants and so got a fairly unique view of the race.
Obviously from my position I only really got to see those who had chosen or for what ever reason had been forced to walk.
We had a job to do, which was asking people (once they were outside a projected finish time) to move onto the paths as roads would be re-opening to traffic once we passed. Not one person objected, we were always polite as they had paid their entry fee and deserving of respect for the effort that they were putting in; walking 26 miles (in my opinion) is not an easy task.
Now the reason I decided to post this was the current chat about the winners and yes it is a race after all; but there was 20,000 entrants yesterday and the vast majority of them were charity runners or just individuals who wanted to prove something to themselves.
So I just wanted to say well done to all finishers (what ever your time) and unlucky to those who couldn't finish. Give a big thank you to the red coated volunteers on the course and a massive, massive fair play to all the supporters who stood by the side of the road and cheered on everyone who passed them 5,6,7 and longer hours after the race started. I have felt and now seen the boost you give to every entrant.
Now, hopefully I won't have opened an old wound of running'walking a marathon. I just wanted to say I saw the effort and determination of those entrants still on the course while others were long finished.

ooter

Chivito550 wrote: »

He didn't run the time. He was almost a minute outside it.

robinph wrote: »

The time would need to be sub 2:18 to count for that.

Ah right, didn't know it was sub 2:18.

Testosterscone

Haven't seen any mention of the fact that GOH benefits from same rules at a lesser extent.

Clonliffe won Dublin team championships yesterday with GOH, Scullion (who lives in Belfast) and Ciobanu (lives in Tipperary)

doctorchick

2016 Congress passed the following competition rule:-

"For an athlete to be either a Title Holder/Medallist ( to be defined as referring to top 3 finishers or top 3 winning team members , in track
and field - outdoor and/or indoor - cross country or road ) and/or the holder of a Championship Record (individual or team), the athlete must be a holder of, or be eligible to hold, an Irish passport and/or must reside on the island of Ireland ( for a minimum of 6 consecutive months immediately prior to the relevant Championships) and must be a member of an affiliated club on the island of Ireland."

So as long as Freddy satisfied those rules, and I don't think he would have been stupid enough to enter/ be entered for the National Championships (NOT the Championship for Nationals) then he is the National Marathon Champion of 2017 and GOH is not.

I have held 2 National titles in T&F (and several other national medals), am English, don't hold an Irish passport (and don't plan to) as still want the option to represent UK if the chance arose, so should be allowed to compete and hold national titles in future ?

bigslice

Well done everyone on yesterday’s efforts from fellow runners to the brilliant volunteers to the unbelievable support round Dublin who never fail to disappoint and go above and beyond.

Hit a decent PB yesterday and got home just under 2.49 thanks to a fellow runner who kept me at it for last 5km. Dug deep and followed him home and he waited on line for me on the other side to offer his congrats. Says it all about the Dublin Marathon. It’s hard to beat!

Fragile today for obvious reasons but still feels good!

Chivito550

doctorchick wrote: »

2016 Congress passed the following competition rule:-

"For an athlete to be either a Title Holder/Medallist ( to be defined as referring to top 3 finishers or top 3 winning team members , in track
and field - outdoor and/or indoor - cross country or road ) and/or the holder of a Championship Record (individual or team), the athlete must be a holder of, or be eligible to hold, an Irish passport and/or must reside on the island of Ireland ( for a minimum of 6 consecutive months immediately prior to the relevant Championships) and must be a member of an affiliated club on the island of Ireland."

So as long as Freddy satisfied those rules, and I don't think he would have been stupid enough to enter/ be entered for the National Championships (NOT the Championship for Nationals) then he is the National Marathon Champion of 2017 and GOH is not.

I have held 2 National titles in T&F (and several other national medals), am English, don't hold an Irish passport (and don't plan to) as still want the option to represent UK if the chance arose, so should be allowed to compete and hold national titles in future ?

+1

I was eligible to qualify for the Australian National T&F Championships (if I was a lot faster) when I lived there, and thus would have been eligible to be national champion. I was a member of an Australian club and was a resident there. I never had any intention of becoming an Australian citizen and if I was good enough (which I most certainly was not) I'd represent Ireland over Australia in a heart beat. But I was an Australian resident, a member of an Australian club, and very involved in the sport in Australia. Simple as that. A club mate of mine from New Zealand competed in the Australian Nationals.

There's a difference in being National Champion, and being eligible to represent a country.

Murph_D

Bib No.| Username | PB | Predicted Time | Actual Time
2803|echancrure|2:49:20|2:48:59|2:58:12|
9558|diego_b|3:43:41|3:39:30|3:54:53
|robinph|2:49:44|2:49:59|2:58:03
|ISOP|4:18:55|4:15:00|
3868|hot buttered scones|3:21:45|3:09:59|
4514|davedanon|3:14:18|3:09:59|DNF
6501|Lazare|n/a|3:58:xx|3:58:08|
3241|Johnny_Fontane|3:36:18|3:24:59|
1678|withcheeseplease|2:59:58|2:59:57|2:58:35
|Damo 2k9|n/a|3:59:59|
|DC.|2:56:02|2:44:00| 2:42:29 |
|Dexter50|4:14:19|4:10:00|
4591|Wubble Wubble|3:49:01|3:29:59|
7703|RedRunner|3:52:30|4:15:00|4:13:05
|apjb82|3:35:15|3:10:00|3:12:33
|CCR|2:59:52|3:29:59|
|Peckham|2:58:27|3:44:59|
|Krusty_Clown|2:30:01|2:34:59|
|Derco|4:16:04|4:12:59|
|Spirogyra|3:59:02|3:39:59
10404|Unthought Known|4:16:44|3:44:59|3:41:41
3790|HibernianRunner|3:28:22|3:24:00|
|Slow_Runner|3:42:26|3:33:xx|
|Fiftyplus|3:29:45|3:29:44|
1371|Murph_D|3:28:28|3:19:59|3:22:11
|ThePiedPiper|2:49:00|3:19:59|
3364|TFBubendorfer|2:55:07|3:15:00|3:10:20
|jaggiebunnet|3:32:39|3:24:59|
|Jakey Rolling|3:27:15|3:29:59|
|Eric the Eagle|3:26:25|3:19:59|
|El Caballo|3:15:29|3:11:29|
2634|Trampas|3:18:41|3:20:01|3:26:20
|boykev|4:00:56|3:29:30|
1942|MisterDrak|3:07:24|3:14:00|
|ciarraiabu1977|2:57:45|2:57:40
1322|Singer|3:32:04|3:14:15|3:14:11
|Doeshedare|n/a|3:39:59|
2855|Martyboy48|3:18:00|3:30|
|Brusna|n/a|3:27:59|
|Hawkwing|3:58:30|4:59:59|
1805|JohnDozer|3:59:13|3:39:59|3:40:14
20545|Jack Bracken|N/A|5:30:00|5:38:12
3247 |Quickfeet |3:17:30 |3:15:00|3:18:21

Adding my own time, a 6-min PB over last year. A real grind, happy to have kept my wits about me.

And adding Quickfeet.

ultrapercy

doctorchick wrote: »

2016 Congress passed the following competition rule:-

"For an athlete to be either a Title Holder/Medallist ( to be defined as referring to top 3 finishers or top 3 winning team members , in track
and field - outdoor and/or indoor - cross country or road ) and/or the holder of a Championship Record (individual or team), the athlete must be a holder of, or be eligible to hold, an Irish passport and/or must reside on the island of Ireland ( for a minimum of 6 consecutive months immediately prior to the relevant Championships) and must be a member of an affiliated club on the island of Ireland."

So as long as Freddy satisfied those rules, and I don't think he would have been stupid enough to enter/ be entered for the National Championships (NOT the Championship for Nationals) then he is the National Marathon Champion of 2017 and GOH is not.

I have held 2 National titles in T&F (and several other national medals), am English, don't hold an Irish passport (and don't plan to) as still want the option to represent UK if the chance arose, so should be allowed to compete and hold national titles in future ?

Not for me. I dont think anyone should be eligible to compete for national titles in more than 1 country. Its not personal good luck to you and your succes but thats my opinion.

ultrapercy

walshb wrote: »

Women have bested 2.18...that is softer than a gone off viagra..

What a crap ****ing analogy and you call yourself a troll. Whatever about the standards of irish marathon running the standards of trolling are muck.

Chivito550

ultrapercy wrote: »

Not for me. I dont think anyone should be eligible to compete for national titles in more than 1 country. Its not personal good luck to you and your succes but thats my opinion.

But it was ok for Sergiu to compete for national titles in Ireland while competing for Moldova at the 2013 IAAF World Championships in Moscow.

If you are resident somewhere and are a member of a club then you are eligible. Simple as that.

RayCun

doctorchick wrote: »

"For an athlete to be either a Title Holder/Medallist ( to be defined as referring to top 3 finishers or top 3 winning team members , in track
and field - outdoor and/or indoor - cross country or road ) and/or the holder of a Championship Record (individual or team), the athlete must be a holder of, or be eligible to hold, an Irish passport and/or must reside on the island of Ireland ( for a minimum of 6 consecutive months immediately prior to the relevant Championships) and must be a member of an affiliated club on the island of Ireland."

There was some controversy at the Dublin Senior XC in 2015 (?) when Freddie came first and it was decided that he wasn't eligible to win (but could count as first team scorer). This might have been a result of that.

Personally, I'd rather you had to meet the residency requirement for 5 years in a row, or 4 of last 5 years, something like that. (which Freddie might have?) But this is the rule that was agreed by Congress.

It was tweeted on Saturday by AAI, incidentally, they obviously realised it was a potential issue and wanted to clarify things before the race started.

S.L.F.

doctorchick wrote: »

2016 Congress passed the following competition rule:-



So as long as Freddy satisfied those rules, and I don't think he would have been stupid enough to enter/ be entered for the National Championships (NOT the Championship for Nationals) then he is the National Marathon Champion of 2017 and GOH is not.

This comment just got me thinking there, surely GOH knows Freddy well enough to know how long hes in the country and would've checked him out from a competitive point of view if he was dead set on competing for this piece of history?

Either way GOH is an entertaining guy who seems to have a lot of drama with the marathon... one year it was having his mobile phone robbed before the marathon, I remember reading that in the news and then it was running the marathon after a fall and all the glory of it afterwards and now its his query with Freddie.

I have to say Percy has a very good argument and I would agree with him about the significance of winning an iconic trophy and place in Irish history but surely the thought crossed his mind on the start line.

This is in no way a criticism to GOH performance, which was absolutely mind blowing. I really feel for him about the NC.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

That's a really stupid argument. The IAAF tables are based on statistical data based on times run in each distance. WR times in each would be relatively close to each other (some stronger than others as some are outliers), and it's worked backwards in each distance from there. Very simplistic explanation of course, as there's a lot more statistical analysis and mathematical equations that most of us will never understand.

Many marathons are flat as a pancake. Many 400/800 races are run in horrible wind and driving rain.

Yes many marathons are run on flat. But you can't translate a 400m into the same time a person would get in berlin and same for dublin. Dublin is a tougher course.

Weather affects longer distance more also. Most times wind would be against you and with you the same distance on a track, in a marathon it's totally different.

walshb

ultrapercy wrote: »

What a crap ****ing analogy and you call yourself a troll. Whatever about the standards of irish marathon running the standards of trolling are muck.

It’s still a very soft time for an elite top male though.

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

Yes many marathons are run on flat. But you can't translate a 400m into the same time a person would get in berlin and same for dublin. Dublin is a tougher course.

Weather affects longer distance more also. Most times wind would be against you and with you the same distance on a track, in a marathon it's totally different.

Utter nonsense. So a -3.0 headwind in a 100m or 200m has less impact that wind in a marathon. Give me a break!

As for 400m wind can cost you a full second. That's huge.

walshb

So it’s gone from 400/800 to 100/200?

average_runner is talking about 400/800...what you initially brought up.

Far more time and distance and geography to possibly affect you when running a marathon..

Chivito550

S.L.F. wrote: »

This comment just got me thinking there, surely GOH knows Freddy well enough to know how long hes in the country and would've checked him out from a competitive point of view if he was dead set on competing for this piece of history?

Either way GOH is an entertaining guy who seems to have a lot of drama with the marathon... one year it was having his mobile phone robbed before the marathon, I remember reading that in the news and then it was running the marathon after a fall and all the glory of it afterwards and now its his query with Freddie.

I have to say Percy has a very good argument and I would agree with him about the significance of winning an iconic trophy and place in Irish history but surely the thought crossed his mind on the start line.

This is in no way a criticism to GOH performance, which was absolutely mind blowing. I really feel for him about the NC.

To be honest, would he really go down in Irish marathon history? Most of the best Irish marathon runners weren't there yesterday, and quite often that's the case in the marathon these days, as the best chase faster marathons. The depth yesterday was very poor. There was only 7 runners in the 2:20-2:29 range.

Gary is getting lots of publicity out of this though, so he'll benefit from it anyway.

RayCun

Chivito550 wrote: »

To be honest, would he really go down in Irish marathon history?

National marathon champion? Yes, of course.

Chivito550

walshb wrote: »

So it’s gone from 400/800 to 100/200?

average_runner is talking about 400/800...what you initially brought up.

Far more time and distance and geography to possibly affect you when running a marathon..

Losing say 0.75 of a second to wind in a 400m. Losing 2-3 minutes in a marathon. What's the difference. Significant for both.

Chivito550

RayCun wrote: »

National marathon champion? Yes, of course.

Well too bad he was beaten fair and square by a far superior athlete.

S.L.F.

Chivito550 wrote: »

To be honest, would he really go down in Irish marathon history? Most of the best Irish marathon runners weren't there yesterday, and quite often that's the case in the marathon these days, as the best chase faster marathons. The depth yesterday was very poor. There was only 7 runners in the 2:20-2:29 range.

You must have misunderstood me, I'm not talking about him looking into marathon history. I'm talking about his awareness of his competitors and the rules around winning a race. This is his business remember.

Chivito550

average_runner wrote: »

Yes many marathons are run on flat. But you can't translate a 400m into the same time a person would get in berlin and same for dublin. Dublin is a tougher course.

Weather affects longer distance more also. Most times wind would be against you and with you the same distance on a track, in a marathon it's totally different.

You can disagree with the IAAF tables all you like, but in the end of the day 2:18 high is not a strong time at the elite level. There are guys running 2:02 FFS. 2:18 is way behind the women's WR. You won't see Irish National titles on the track won by guys with PBs slower than the women's WR (even the ridiculous doped up WRs).

Imagine a 400 title won in 48, or an 800 title won by a guy with a 1:55 PB.

S.L.F.

Chivito550 wrote: »

You can disagree with the IAAF tables all you like, but in the end of the day 2:18 high is not a strong time at the elite level. There are guys running 2:02 FFS. 2:18 is way behind the women's WR. You won't see Irish National titles on the track won by guys with PBs slower than the women's WR (even the ridiculous doped up WRs).

Imagine a 400 title won in 48, or an 800 title won by a guy with a 1:55 PB.

I wish you would stop comparing mens times to womens times, its a totally physiological argument and has no place in this particular topic.

walshb

S.L.F. wrote: »

I wish you would stop comparing mens times to womens times, its a totally physiological argument and has no place in this particular topic.

He is bang on to compare. It’s to clearly demonstrate performances and levels...

Our top Irish male finisher yesterday was “slow.” No two ways about it.

S.L.F.

walshb wrote: »

He is bang on to compare. It’s to clearly demonstrate performances and levels...

Our top Irish male finisher yesterday was “slow.” No two ways about it.

I wont even go there with either of you, you're just chasing a reaction.

Djoucer

Chivito550 wrote: »

RayCun wrote: »

National marathon champion? Yes, of course.

Well too bad he was beaten fair and square by a far superior athlete.

Which no-one is disputing.

You seem to wilfully ignore the valid points made by people on each side of the debate to engage in whataboutery to the point that you're now comparing fractions of a second in 400 metres to marathon. Nonsense stuff.

I can see why GOH is miffed and I can see why Freddy is the legitimate champion.

walshb

S.L.F. wrote: »

I wont even go there with either of you, you're just chasing a reaction.

Isn’t that what a talk/debate is about? Reacting..

Anyway, you are free to do as you please. His points are still spot on.

healy1835

Chivito550 wrote: »

You can disagree with the IAAF tables all you like, but in the end of the day 2:18 high is not a strong time at the elite level. There are guys running 2:02 FFS. 2:18 is way behind the women's WR. You won't see Irish National titles on the track won by guys with PBs slower than the women's WR (even the ridiculous doped up WRs).

Imagine a 400 title won in 48, or an 800 title won by a guy with a 1:55 PB.

Are you saying that if there was a 100m National Championship where as the case was yesterday, and we'll be generous here, the 3 fastest guys weren't there, the winner's time would be faster than Florence Griffith Joyner's WR?

S.L.F.

walshb wrote: »

Isn’t that what a talk/debate is about? Reacting..

Anyway, you are free to do as you please. His points are still spot on.

I thought it was about making a logical and valid point...its ridiculous to compare women and mens times in sports. Next of all you'll be saying their bits and pieces are more or less the same as well.

walshb

S.L.F. wrote: »

I thought it was about making a logical and valid point...its ridiculous to compare women and mens times in sports. Next of all you'll be saying their bits and pieces are more or less the same as well.

Compared to emphasize a point. That’s all. And in this instance a very valid use.

“If” we cannot produce males that can best any female performance ever then we are in trouble... it’s that simple..