Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Euphoriasean

blowitupref wrote: »

Fine game from Rob Hennelly, can see why tonight he's Horan first choice keeper and only for him tonight Dublin could be leading by 12 points at the break.

Agree he's had a fine game. The complete lack of a defensive structure is baffling. And 3 point is any half is abismal. A lot of work to do.

seligehgit

Indeed fine effort from Robert Hennelly.

Sadly thus far the performance we were hoping for hasn't come to pass.

Lucky not to be ten plus points down.

Comerford doing very well on the kickouts.

Hard to believe Dublin are only weeks back at their training.They're absolutely burning us for pace.

Fionn McDonagh has impressed in the first half.

km79

Euphoriasean wrote: »

Agree he's had a fine game. The complete lack of a defensive structure is baffling. And 3 point is any half is abismal. A lot of work to do.

Is it baffling though ?
This is what we have always gotten from Horan . And he refuses to change
Rochford was probably too tactical at times
Horan not tactical enough

km79

km79 wrote: »

That’s why the black card hasn’t worked
Refs making a ****e of it
If that’s not a black card then I don’t know what it

And now a black card for Seamie a deliberate hand trip when he wasn’t even looking at the player

Needles73

km79 wrote: »

And now a black card for Seamie a deliberate hand trip when he wasn’t even looking at the player

Someone must have explained the rules to him at half time......

enricoh

Pat mustard going off on his milk float!

Mr.Crinklewood

enricoh wrote: »

Pat mustard going off on his milk float!

What happened him?

happyoutscan

Farting around hand passing and looking clueless. No one making any breaks and Andy Moran still on the pitch. Ffs at least put OShea at full forward and kick it into hi, try to create ****ing something.

Same old ****ing Horan.

km79

The sin bin rule is a bit daft !

blackwhite

km79 wrote: »

The sin bin rule is a bit daft !

The rule is fine.

The problem is the inconsistency of referees who selectively choose when to implement the rules and when to ignore them.

km79

Reape is been shown up tonight I’m afraid

charlie14

happyoutscan wrote: »

Farting around hand passing and looking clueless. No one making any breaks and Andy Moran still on the pitch. Ffs at least put OShea at full forward and kick it into hi, try to create ****ing something.

Same old ****ing Horan.

If there is a weakness in that Dublin defence, it`s under the high ball. The way this game has gone from early on it makes no sense whatsoever not to have put A O Shea in at full forward.

happyoutscan

Out of his depth, afraid to take responsibility.

charlie14

blackwhite wrote: »

The rule is fine.

The problem is the inconsistency of referees who selectively choose when to implement the rules and when to ignore them.

The biggest problem with the rule is the ten minutes does not take stoppages into account resulting in messing and play-acting by the team down a player killing time

irishgeo

Very poor performance by mayo.

franklyon

At least with Rochford you always got another option. Horan has no tactical awareness at all.

km79

charlie14 wrote: »

The biggest problem with the rule is the ten minutes does not take stoppages into account resulting in messing and play-acting by the team down a player killing time

Boyle knew what he was at
It is silly

A lot of the same failings from Horans last reign are there for me
As I suspected they would be

Gakway game is tricky now
They will set up as they always do and we could be missing Diarmuid and Paddy durkan who would be vital to break the lines

Thought ruane snowed well tonight. Mcdonagh too at times . Treacy isn’t up to it imo (I know he went off injured ) and I have reservations that Reape has the pace required

km79

franklyon wrote: »

At least with Rochford you always got another option. Horan has no tactical awareness at all.

Be careful what ye wish for was what i said at the time ..........
Rochford never had a right run at the league on due to reaching latter stages of championship
I’d have likes to see how he would have done this year

White lighting

Reape is not good enough. Loads of talk because he scored a goal against Roscommon after taking about 15 steps. Can understand why Rochford didnt fancy him he was right.

jr86

Horrendous stuff.

Can't see mayo beating even a weakened Galway given how they'll set up. Zero up front again. Woeful

seligehgit

charlie14 wrote: »

The biggest problem with the rule is the ten minutes does not take stoppages into account resulting in messing and play-acting by the team down a player killing time

Yeah stupid rule but TBF it was the umpire.

Very disappointing night at the office.

TCM

That was a bit of a pasting.

charlie14

That performance was neither fish nor fowl. I do not know what Horan`s game plan was, (or even if there was one), but there was no plan B. From his time away there does not seem to be much change in that regard.
As too the new blood, Fionn McDonagh looked good at times as did Ruane. Reape I`m afraid just does not have the mobility required at this level.

seligehgit

happyoutscan wrote: »

Farting around hand passing and looking clueless. No one making any breaks and Andy Moran still on the pitch. Ffs at least put OShea at full forward and kick it into hi, try to create ****ing something.

Same old ****ing Horan.

Agreed.

There was a stark contrast in the pace of the Dublin team's transition of passing and seamlessness of same.

We're really struggling in the middle of the park and on our own kickouts.

I lost count on how many times we turned over the ball cheaply.

All things we didn't do so much in the past.

manofwisdom

jr86 wrote: »

Horrendous stuff.

Can't see mayo beating even a weakened Galway given how they'll set up. Zero up front again. Woeful

Galway was just as woeful against Dublin a few weeks ago. Next weeks game in Machale Park will likely be a low scoring dour contest.

Inspector Coptoor

The only mayo player that can be happy with his performance there tonight was Robbie Hennelly.

Top scorer with 2 points and 5 or 6 fine saves.
He should have taken the penalty as well.

Andy Moran’s shot when clear in on goal was abysmal as was the penalty miss.

Cian O Sullivan had Aiden O Shea in his pocket all night.

Drab, dire and insipid stuff.

No energy, no high press, no urgency.
Kerry and Monaghan gave Mayo the game plan on how to at least take Dublin on.
No tactics from Horan and the shooting from Reape in particular was woeful.

Bad night at the office.

White lighting

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

The only mayo player that can be happy with his performance there tonight was Robbie Hennelly.

Top scorer with 2 points and 5 or 6 fine saves.
He should have taken the penalty as well.

Andy Moran’s shot when clear in on goal was abysmal as was the penalty miss.

Cian O Sullivan had Aiden O Shea in his pocket all night.

Drab, dire and insipid stuff.

No energy, no high press, no urgency.
Kerry and Monaghan gave Mayo the game plan on how to at least take Dublin on.
No tactics from Horan and the shooting from Reape in particular was woeful.

Bad night at the office.

Not a Mayo person but from neutral point view apart from Hennelly only other player who looked intrested tonight and put in a shift was the new midfielder Ruane i think

km79

White lighting wrote: »

Not a Mayo person but from neutral point view apart from Hennelly only other player who looked intrested tonight and put in a shift was the new midfielder Ruane i think

Yeah he had a good second half
Optimistic about him
Pretty mobile

I am hoping mayo are in the middle of heavy training Cos a lot of lads you would expect to be tearing around the place seemed unable to
It wasn’t a game we needed to win so maybe

Inspector Coptoor

White lighting wrote: »

Not a Mayo person but from neutral point view apart from Hennelly only other player who looked intrested tonight and put in a shift was the new midfielder Ruane i think

He played well for the first 6-7 mins of 2nd half and clipped over one good score.

Mayo midfield were a non event unfortunately.

Diarmuid O C badly missed.

For all AOS’ new found leanness and mobility, he didn’t show it tonight.

Maybe mayo are in the middle of a heavy training cycle with no taper got this game.
We can but but hope.

PhoneMain

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

He played well for the first 6-7 mins of 2nd half and clipped over one good score.

Mayo midfield were a non event unfortunately.

Diarmuid O C badly missed.

For all AOS’ new found leanness and mobility, he didn’t show it tonight.

Maybe mayo are in the middle of a heavy training cycle with no taper got this game.
We can but but hope.

I don't read too much into 1 off poor performances in the league like this game. 2 years ago we were hockeyed by Dublin in lashing rain and it didn't influence our summer. For all we know, Horan may have run the absolute sh1te out of them this week.

Call me Al

I was expecting a training session for Mayo men's team, and that seems to have been what we got.
Very happy with Hennelly. The Dubs were lobbing in a lot of high balls at him in the 1st half and he acquitted himself well under them.
We had I think a missed penalty and 13 wides?

Fr Tod Umptious

jr86 wrote: »

Horrendous stuff.

Can't see mayo beating even a weakened Galway given how they'll set up. Zero up front again. Woeful

Posters such as yourself we're talking about league finals after Mayo beat Tyrone a few weeks ago and now they won't beat a weakened Galway next weekend.

Get perspective.

I believe in this notion that in the league teams target games they want to win and games where the result is not the most important part.

I never thought Mayo would beat Dublin, because they never do, so I thought this was not a game they were targeting.
And Dublin losing to Kerry made any chance of winning this game even harder.

Sure the performance sucked, the shooting was awful, the defending was awful, but I'm not writing them off v Galway just because of that, just like I was not putting them in the final after two games.

The biggest concern I have is that they are running out of steam.

The win v Roscommon was hard to judge because of the weather, but then they went to Tyrone and won at a canter, but the win v Cavan was good if not spectacular, the performance v Dublin was terrible

I'd much prefer to see a team getting better as the league progresses rather than get out of the blocks fast and then taper off.

grbear

From as close as I can manage to neutral perspective,I thought Mayo were terribly disappointing last night. I know the Championship matters a lot more but last night was a great opportunity for Mayo to take Dublin out of contention for the league and set themselves up knowing that a home win against Galway would leave them in a league final with two games to spare (practically anyway, it'd take a freakish set of results altogether to not make the final in that situation).

Ye could still make a league final and win it but ye sure love making things hard for yourselves.

jr86

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Posters such as yourself we're talking about league finals after Mayo beat Tyrone a few weeks ago and now they won't beat a weakened Galway next weekend.

Get perspective.

Fair point

But I'll be honest I wasn't expecting anything as turgid as last night. Given the layoff we had, I thought we would be much more championship-like in this year's edition.

The main worry was we were slow and ponderous in our build up, had no outlet up front and spent too much time carrying and lateral pointless hand-passing than just letting the feckin thing in and giving the Dublin FB line something to think about

Galway may not be world beaters but if there's one thing Kevin Walsh has made them it's fierce organised in defence (regardless of personnel) and even minus Comer and Burke they still have the talent up front to cause damage on the counter. In short it looks like we're in line for a carbon copy of last year's league game at this rate where Galway were very comfortable at the back and we didn't have near enough nous to break them down

It's frustrating. We had a damn good opportunity to give Dublin a good rattle last night. I don't care if its league or not watching them jogging through us and the fans cheering every single pass in the last few minutes is galling stuff

There really is zero excuse for some of the misses we had

threeball

jr86 wrote: »

Fair point

But I'll be honest I wasn't expecting anything as turgid as last night. Given the layoff we had, I thought we would be much more championship-like in this year's edition.

The main worry was we were slow and ponderous in our build up, had no outlet up front and spent too much time carrying and lateral pointless hand-passing than just letting the feckin thing in and giving the Dublin FB line something to think about

Galway may not be world beaters but if there's one thing Kevin Walsh has made them it's fierce organised in defence (regardless of personnel) and even minus Comer and Burke they still have the talent up front to cause damage on the counter. In short it looks like we're in line for a carbon copy of last year's league game at this rate where Galway were very comfortable at the back and we didn't have near enough nous to break them down

It's frustrating. We had a damn good opportunity to give Dublin a good rattle last night. I don't care if its league or not watching them jogging through us and the fans cheering every single pass in the last few minutes is galling stuff

There really is zero excuse for some of the misses we had

If Galway play the way they have up to now you'll have nothing to worry about. Milk would turn quicker than we turn defence into attack. Your ff line could walk back to your 45 and still be there in time to get ahead of the ball.

jr86

threeball wrote: »

If Galway play the way they have up to now you'll have nothing to worry about. Milk would turn quicker than we turn defence into attack. Your ff line could walk back to your 45 and still be there in time to get ahead of the ball.

I suppose we'll learn a bit more today

Wasn't a bad result to be fair against Monaghan.

km79

threeball wrote: »

If Galway play the way they have up to now you'll have nothing to worry about. Milk would turn quicker than we turn defence into attack. Your ff line could walk back to your 45 and still be there in time to get ahead of the ball.

If durkan and Diarmuid are out mayo are in a similar situation to last year.
Without them 2 and parsons Galway will be able to sit back without much fear of their line being broken
Mayo will need huge games from Keegan and Vaughan. And mcdonagh who looks like he might be up to it.
Reape if he starts will need to improve a LOT

It will be a horrible niggly low scoring tight game .
I can’t wait till it’s over !

threeball

jr86 wrote: »

I suppose we'll learn a bit more today

Wasn't a bad result to be fair against Monaghan.

Monaghan are in the sh1t to be honest. Odds on to be relegated. They have only the Cavan game left where they would expect to win. The rest they are unlikely to win or 50/50 At best. The Tyrone result yesterday was huge for them.

If Galway go at kerry today or Mayo next week they can probably rest easy at the end of the day knowing they won't be getting sucked into a relegation battle. But we both know that won't happen. Probably end up fighting for survival needing a win on the final day to stay ahead of monaghan.

glack

Loads of folks on facebook and twitter moaning about the ref.... lads get off your soapboxes! There was some dodgy decisions but some valid ones too.

We were ****e last night. Plain and simple. We weren't robbed or hard done by, just useless!

I'm not reading too much into it. It's only February. Hopefully next week we'll be competitive.

km79

4 wins in 4 for Kerry after a narrow low scoring win over Galway ......

Blackjack

glack wrote: »

Loads of folks on facebook and twitter moaning about the ref.... lads get off your soapboxes! There was some dodgy decisions but some valid ones too.

We were ****e last night. Plain and simple. We weren't robbed or hard done by, just useless!

I'm not reading too much into it. It's only February. Hopefully next week we'll be competitive.

Agree with the above. Can’t see that anything the ref did or didn’t do would have made any difference. Andy skying a clear goal opportunity wide and Jason missing a penalty, plus scoring 4 from I think 9 placed balls summed it up. 14 wides in total and 4 balls dropping short, most of which was from either very poor shot selection or simply poor execution can’t be explained as anything other than sh*te to be honest.

Robbie certainly put his large number of critics back in their boxes last night.
Other than our keeper, Matty, Fionn and Chrissy were the only ones to give decent accounts of themselves, perhaps Kevin Mc when he came on.

Realistically we should have lost by way more only for Robbie blocking 6 shots, and Keith stopping a few rebounds.

Bad night all around, need to see a lot of improvements for the next 3 games.

PressRun

Tackling was sub par the other night.

seligehgit

Nothing new here but their movement on Comerford's kickouts was superb.

Not sure if we've a Cluxton mark 2 but his restarts were lightning quick.

Quite a contrast with our own and our lads were oftentimes static.

Lots of seemingly rehearsed moves by them with hands raised in the air on occasion.Everything is so well structured.

TBH these Dublin players are IMO a very special group of naturally fit athletes and collective training bans although an issue are not the great hindrance one expects,the last fortnight in all probability brought them along greatly.Our lads seemed to be chasing shadows.I'm not sure if it's a chasm in the respective skillsets or the respective training regimes or an early season phoney war but it's still hard to take our in general early season inability to lay a proverbial glove on them.

Tis early season yet and there is a familiarity to this beating but it outside of Fionn McDonagh and Matthew Ruane it was disappointing the new lads did'nt step up.

It's a pity Conor Loftus did not get some game time.

Kevin Mc's footpassing was probably the best of any Mayo player on the night.

seligehgit

Joe Brolly: 'Omens don't look good for woeful Mayo'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-omens-dont-look-good-for-woeful-mayo-37846763.html

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Joe Brolly: 'Omens don't look good for woeful Mayo'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-brolly-omens-dont-look-good-for-woeful-mayo-37846763.html

There is alot there from Brolly but this is complete bollox .."The fact that this is February football makes it all the more worrying for Mayo. Dublin don't even start serious training until April."

Dublin looked very fit and full of running for February. These guys are either doing it on their own or else as a team and some gob****ers are believing that they have only went back training the other day.

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Tis early season yet and there is a familiarity to this beating but it outside of Fionn McDonagh and Matthew Ruane it was disappointing the new lads did'nt step up.

It's a pity Conor Loftus did not get some game time.

Kevin Mc's footpassing was probably the best of any Mayo player on the night.

I know people are on about Reape, but he looked like a guy that let the game in croker get to him and it ended up in a disaster for him. I just got the feeling he was trying to make a big impression but it just didn't happen for him. Horan needs to stick with him

McDonagh looks a real quality player and Loftus is starting to just float into a player that offers nothing when he is not getting a crack.

Barlett

Audioslaven wrote: »

There is alot there from Brolly but this is complete bollox .."The fact that this is February football makes it all the more worrying for Mayo. Dublin don't even start serious training until April."

Dublin looked very fit and full of running for February. These guys are either doing it on their own or else as a team and some gob****ers are believing that they have only went back training the other day.

Agreed, Joe Brolly is incredibly naive if he thinks Jim Gavin tells it like it is in post match interviews. Dublin are always in & about championship levels of fitness & in fairness considering their set up why wouldn’t they be!?

seligehgit

Dublin Review

Mayo News Football Podcast 2019

https://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2019-02-24T12_26_35-08_00.mp3

EICVD

Barlett wrote: »

Agreed, Joe Brolly is incredibly naive if he thinks Jim Gavin tells it like it is in post match interviews. Dublin are always in & about championship levels of fitness & in fairness considering their set up why wouldn’t they be!?

If Dublin were as fit as Monaghan & Kerry were when they won, they wouldn’t have won!

Can someone please tell me how Jason Doherty is an inter county footballer?

Barlett

EICVD wrote: »

If Dublin were as fit as Monaghan & Kerry were when they won, they wouldn’t have won!

Can someone please tell me how Jason Doherty is an inter county footballer?

That’s why I said in & about championship fitness, sure last night they were clearly back to normal . That’s the main reason why Mayo & Dublin’s matches are close in the summer, Mayo close the fitness gap, it’s not like we suddenly become more skillful in the summer . You clearly don’t watch much Mayo football if you’re wondering about Doherty .