Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

seligehgit

glack wrote: »

If he was none too pleased why didn't he take him off much sooner?!

Not a notion that's why I'm asking the question.

As I stated I may have seen something in nothing.

yop

Audioslaven wrote: »

The problem is who do you replace him with. It's so late in the season to go messing around with such a vital position. We just don't have many options here unless you drop Barrett into the position but I do agree with you that a change needs to happen

At this stage Vaughan or Coen. Its harsh but he is a liablity. His man kicked 6 points off him in the 1st half and between the 2 lads he marked, they took 11 points off him. Now that has to set alarm bells ringing. His pace is gone and his confidence has to be on the ground. The Roscommon forwards will destroy him next Sunday. Hopefully he will prove me wrong and he has been a massive servant, but his day is done.

Yesterday was a repeat of many of our games in the last 7 months. Great spurts, some great positives, some shocking defending.
If we lost it was a nail in the coffin for a few stalwarts and management. The decisions off the bench have me baffled.
Respect Dillion and all he has done, but for the 2nd time in a row now he has offered us nothing in his appearances, almost cost us. Taking off A Moran, Barret, O'Shea so close together was not great.

Lee really needs to cop the fk on. He is long enough on the road to know better than kick out like that. All players get riled, they need to deal with it. Its another disciplinary issue.

Pro - The character, no one can ever question that. we were 7 up, looked like we blew it, went 3 down thought they heads would drop, but these guys have incredible resilience.
8 forwards scored from play, for a team with no forwards the return of 81% is a great return.
AOS - Again was a mountain. Again got ZERO protection from officials. Twice I saw him taking punches, with the linesman watching.
COC - Took some lovely scores.
Loftus - Really top notch scores.
Durcan - Was A1 when he came on, I'd teach lee a lesson and put his ass on the bench for this lad.
Doherty - Emptied it, gave 100%. Always does, never gets the limelight.

Rossies will hurt us, they have the tail up and rightly so. Experience and cool heads needed next Sunday. Could see a draw on this one. But I expect an open game. Need big big games at the back and from AOS and COC.
Would want a top strong ref on this one as its going to be hell for leather.

manofwisdom

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

They thought there were brilliant displays by Mayo all over the field.

Cillian was on song, AOS was once again giving a big F you to the rest of the country, Moran got 4 from play, 5 of the starting 6 forwards scored, and all did from play.

As the game was unfolding I was wondering what the media narrative would be like in the sense that Mayo would be compared to Kerry because they both played Cork.

Kerry were 4 up at HT, Mayo were 3 up.

Kerry won by 11, Mayo were 7 up at one point and cruising.

Of the 21 they scored in normal time, 18 we're from play, that's the sort of stuff that people gush on about Kerry doing.

Cork created as many if not more goal chances v Kerry as they did v Mayo.

Cork hit the side netting and had one cleared off the line I think v Kerry

The only problem is that two went in v Mayo and for all their good work up front they found themselves in a dog fight.

I'm not good at analysing defensive structures so I don't know why it happened but it will have to stop.

Mayo's meeting Kerry in the next round always required Donegal to win anyway and that as it turns out never happened, but after the effort put in yesterday, on a warm evening, facing the weaker of the QF opponents may be the best thing.

In a game that Mayo were expected to win comfortably there was some good individual displays from the likes of C O Connor,A Moran and A O Shea but midfield and defensively Mayo were not brilliant on Saturday.

You are using the Munster final as example there but Kerry won that match by 11 after 70 mins and rarely got out of 2nd gear doing so, yes Kerry could have conceded a goal or two however don't think Kerry would have allowed themselves to get into a dog fight against a side that was on life support.

Both Mayo and Kerry scored points for fun from play against Cork but i think that says more about Corks defending, they get numbers back but rarely lay a glove on the shooters.

Its not just the goal chances Mayo gave up yesterday either, Cork kicked around 16 wides on top of the 20 point they conceded and Mayo playing brilliant do not give up that amount of scoring chances in a game especially against a side like cork who are in a poor place.

Yes of course Donegal lost and ruled out that pairing but i do believe Mayos best chance of beating Kerry this summer was in the Quarter final. I expect Galway to now give a rusty Kerry a good test next Sunday but they are unlikely to beat them because they lack experience and their record in Croke park in the championship since 2001 for a county of their size and pick is terrible.

km79

Thank god I watched the game back and didn't rely on the Sunday game "coverage " and "analysis "

All the pissing and moaning about Sky
They do it right
RTÉ had it all their own way for years so you would assume they would have stepped up tbeir game when challenged
But no they just came out moaning

It's the first game I've watched back on sky as I go to them alll anyway and it's light years ahead
They ANALYZE instead of throwing out the same auld ****e

Although RTÉ changed tack tonight
After moaning about our lack of forwards and marquee forwards
They decided to completely ignore our proficiency and a performance for the ages from Cillian to tear Caff apart

seligehgit

Forgot about Donie Vaughan as an option as full back until Yop kindly reminded me. Played the position previously in the FBD league,not so sure about the league.

He has the physical presence,adequate mobility and would be a definite improvement under the high ball.

Audioslaven

yop wrote: »

Lee really needs to cop the fk on. He is long enough on the road to know better than kick out like that. All players get riled, they need to deal with it. Its another disciplinary issue.

yes, he needs to rail it in. If he gets another one, he is out for a game as he will have three AFAIK.
He is some player though. Before the start of the game, keegan and his man were at it. He will not give an inch and this is what makes him a great player.

km79

Audioslaven wrote: »

yes, he needs to rail it in. If he gets another one, he is out for a game as he will have three AFAIK.
He is some player though. Before the start of the game, keegan and his man were at it. He will not give an inch and this is what makes him a great player.

Still haven't seen it
The Sunday game didn't show it .......

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Forgot about Donie Vaughan as an option as full back until Yop kindly reminded me. Played the position previously in the FBD league,not so sure about the league.

He has the physical presence,adequate mobility and would be a definite improvement under the high ball.

I don't think Vaughan is the answer as his pace is gone and we need someone with a bit of pace. Coen may be the best option and I hear from a good source that he is very driven to make it into the team.

The main thing is whoever we slot in, we need a sweeper to protect him properly, so that he can build some confidence in the role.

km79

Audioslaven wrote: »

I don't think Vaughan is the answer as his pace is gone and we need someone with a bit of pace. Coen may be the best option and I hear from a good source that he is very driven to make it into the team.

The main thing is whoever we slot in, we need a sweeper to protect him properly, so that he can build some confidence in the role.

We don't have time to build someone's confidence in the role
It's caff
Or
Vaughan
Or
Back to last years system

Talk of throwing in an inexperienced senior player into a specialist position he doesn't play at the quarter final stage is nonsense
It will not and should not happen


Again I'd be questioning the protection the sweeper Higgins gave the full back
Higgins doesn't se to want to mark or defend anymore and I think he is becoming a problem

Blackjack

km79 wrote: »

Still haven't seen it
The Sunday game didn't show it .......

To be fair it was a trip and he can have no complaints about receiving a black card for it. He was being pulled and dragged by his man all the while beforehand but that's no excuse for a player of Lee's quality.

Blackjack

km79 wrote: »

We don't have time to build someone's confidence in the role
It's caff
Or
Vaughan
Or
Back to last years system

Talk of throwing in an inexperienced senior player into a specialist position he doesn't play at the quarter final stage is nonsense
It will not and should not happen


Again I'd be questioning the protection the sweeper Higgins gave the full back
Higgins doesn't se to want to mark or defend anymore and I think he is becoming a problem

Agree with all of this.

Higgins is not a sweeper. Never was. Never will be.

Audioslaven

km79 wrote: »

Thank god I watched the game back and didn't rely on the Sunday game "coverage " and "analysis "

All the pissing and moaning about Sky
They do it right
RThad it all their own way for years so you would assume they would have stepped up tbeir game when challenged
But no they just came out moaning

It's the first game I've watched back on sky as I go to them alll anyway and it's light years ahead
They ANALYZE instead of throwing out the same auld ****e

Although RTchanged tack tonight
After moaning about our lack of forwards and marquee forwards
They decided to completely ignore our proficiency and a performance for the ages from Cillian to tear Caff apart

To be fair to O'shea and Brolly, they raised valid concerns about us esp Caff. He has been very loose all year. I don't care about previous games to this season but against Galway, Derry and Cork yesterday he has been very loose but he is just back from injury and it is probably too early for him.

Bunny Colvin

Thought it was a bit much bringing up clips of Cafferkey from 3/4 years back. He was injured when Kerry got that goal to draw the semi final in 2014 and Hennelly hardly covered himself in glory for Brogan's goal in 2013.

km79

Audioslaven wrote: »

To be fair to O'shea and Brolly, they raised valid concerns about us esp Caff. He has been very loose all year. I don't care about previous games to this season but against Galway, Derry and Cork yesterday he has been very loose but he is just back from injury and it is probably too early for him.

Yes but they Completley ignored all the positives around our forward play as it doesn't **** their narrative
Anyway it's piss poor "analysis " as usual

I've no sympathy for them losing games to sky
Another dig from Brolly about that tonight

How about they just try and improve their own coverage !

yop

km79 wrote: »

We don't have time to build someone's confidence in the role
It's caff
Or
Vaughan
Or
Back to last years system

Talk of throwing in an inexperienced senior player into a specialist position he doesn't play at the quarter final stage is nonsense
It will not and should not happen


Again I'd be questioning the protection the sweeper Higgins gave the full back
Higgins doesn't se to want to mark or defend anymore and I think he is becoming a problem

While I agree that it may not be a great place to put him, I think Coen has the balls to do it, he seems a very solid unflustered player. He was captain of that U21 team and showed a lot of leadership.

If Caff remains we will be here this day week watching his arse wiped off the grass. He is a 100% liability at the moment and that is only going to get worse.

Agree on Higgins, way out of sorts and off the pace. Something which hasn't been said much on main stream.

km79

yop wrote: »

While I agree that it may not be a great place to put him, I think Coen has the balls to do it, he seems a very solid unflustered player. He was captain of that U21 team and showed a lot of leadership.

If Caff remains we will be here this day week watching his arse wiped off the grass. He is a 100% liability at the moment and that is only going to get worse.

Agree on Higgins, way out of sorts and off the pace. Something which hasn't been said much on main stream.

He isn't a full back though
It's probably the most specialist position
Sure if it was just a case of throwing a big lad in we have had plenty of options

I think move back to last years system or donie
And I'd lean towards a blend of both tbh!

Higgins is fast becoming a liability which is sad to say

With his pace and the fact he is no longer offering as much defensively I think he should be one of our impact subs

He was diabolical for that last 15 minutes

yop

km79 wrote: »

He isn't a full back though
It's probably the most specialist position
Sure if it was just a case of throwing a big lad in we have had plenty of options

I think move back to last years system or donie
And I'd lean towards a blend of both tbh!

Higgins is fast becoming a liability which is sad to say

With his pace and the fact he is no longer offering as much defensively I think he should be one of our impact subs

He was diabolical for that last 15 minutes

Definitely someone, anyone at this stage Donie would do the job.

Ya its a pity to see that, legs seem to be going. But he loves croker, so lets see.

Fr Tod Umptious

km79 wrote: »

Yes but they Completley ignored all the positives around our forward play as it doesn't **** their narrative
Anyway it's piss poor "analysis " as usual

I've no sympathy for them losing games to sky
Another dig from Brolly about that tonight

How about they just try and improve their own coverage !

In fairness to them they did highlight the forwards, mentioned 21 scores from 24 chances or whatever, mentioned that 10 people scored and mentioned that in the past they have criticised Mayo's forwards.

yop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

In fairness to them they did highlight the forwards, mentioned 21 scores from 24 chances or whatever, mentioned that 10 people scored and mentioned that in the past they have criticised Mayo's forwards.

22/26 which is a massive return. One of our best in a long time.

km79

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

In fairness to them they did highlight the forwards, mentioned 21 scores from 24 chances or whatever, mentioned that 10 people scored and mentioned that in the past they have criticised Mayo's forwards.

Mentioned
Mentioned
Mentioned

Focused on one negative
Didn't even say who got MOTM

If James o donoghue had played like that they would never have shut up about it


Anyway I'm looking forward to falling over the line again next weekend before the big ambush later in August

TCDStudent1

km79 wrote: »

Mentioned
Mentioned
Mentioned

Focused on one negative
Didn't even say who got MOTM

If James o donoghue had played like that they would never have shut up about it


Anyway I'm looking forward to falling over the line again next weekend before the big ambush later in August

They generally don't give MOTM for games they don't show.

I agree with you that the analysis is very poor. Brolly never addresses the question he is asked. He was asked about Galway and then proceeded to talk about Donegal! Sky is way ahead of them. The hurling analysts on the Sunday game are also way ahead of their football counterparts

seligehgit

I'm of course going to be accused of bias given the result but I think Ciaran Brannigan did a very decent job officiating.Credit where credits due.

Squatman

seligehgit wrote: »

Yes you're entrapped up there,poor Zippy has'nt a chance.

Hard to understand how Danny Kirby has fallen so far down the call to arms order.He has offered more than either party when he got his limited championship action v Derry and Sligo if I can recall.He scored a corker under the stand against Derry.Tis strange.

when did he score it? alls i rememeber is him shooting one wide.

Any word as to whether we are on at 2 or 4 yet?

statto25

The CCCC are meeting today to decide. We should probably know by lunchtime

yop

statto25 wrote: »

The CCCC are meeting today to decide. We should probably know by lunchtime

We are down for 2pm aren't we?

Squatman

Audioslaven wrote: »

d I hear from a good source that he is very driven to make it into the team..

Wow, you have some cool "sources" :rolleyes:

km79

yop wrote: »

We are down for 2pm aren't we?

No they changed the time to TBC sat evening .........speculation is now that we are the 4pm game
Would probably make most sense as it would ensure a crowd for both games

I'm hoping for 2pm

statto25

km79 wrote: »

No they changed the time to TBC sat evening .........speculation is now that we are the 4pm game
Would probably make most sense as it would ensure a crowd for both games

I'm hoping for 2pm

2 would be ideal but I also think it will be at 4. Christ traffic is going to be unreal Sunday with the 3 Connacht teams. It'll be an early morning departure I'm thinking

yop

statto25 wrote: »

2 would be ideal but I also think it will be at 4. Christ traffic is going to be unreal Sunday with the 3 Connacht teams. It'll be an early morning departure I'm thinking

2 would be great, but ya I bet it will be 4. :rolleyes:

Oldtree

ST attendance updated already for Limerick.
They must have super T duper broadband there. Must be one of them new fangled fiber optic cables.

mayo.mick

Deleted User wrote: »

Any word as to whether we are on at 2 or 4 yet?

2 I'm hearing

yop

On the ticket site;

GAA Football All-Ireland Championship Quarter-Finals 2017 - Kerry v Galway (2pm) & Mayo v Roscommon (4pm)

km79

yop wrote: »

On the ticket site;

GAA Football All-Ireland Championship Quarter-Finals 2017 - Kerry v Galway (2pm) & Mayo v Roscommon (4pm)

Ah balls

yop

yop wrote: »

On the ticket site;

GAA Football All-Ireland Championship Quarter-Finals 2017 - Kerry v Galway (2pm) & Mayo v Roscommon (4pm)

http://gaa.tickets.ie/Listing/EventInformation/34878/gaa-football-all-ireland-championship-quarter-finals-2017-kerry-v-galway-2pm--mayo-v-roscommon-4pm-croke-park-30-July-2017

€35 stand, terrace €25.

Still saying 'TBC' in the fixtures section.

Mountjoy Mugger

From Season Ticket email

Season Ticket holders will be seated in the Cusack Stand.
KERRY V GALWAY @ 2.00pm
ROSCOMMON v MAYO @ 4.00pm

Kristopherus

4.00pm confirmed, according to midwest radio.

NabyLadistheman

Thats a balls, 2 would have been ideal

yop

Might just wander it at 4.10, sure they'll delay the game for us...

Guaranteed a crowd when Mayo and Dublin play, so theyll always have us on at the later game. Otherwise if we were on at 2pm it would be empty for the 2nd half of the Gway and Kerry game.

Updated now on the fixtures section of the GAA site. 4 o clock it is.

km79

For a looking to use the bring a friend option ..........it's moves ya to section 314 which is the corner of the Davin
So am don't bring one

Mayo Club 51

Call me Al

Are they likely to.open the one or both of the upper stands? I'm looking for tickets online, since the cairde bring a friend option is shoving us into the corners, but all I'm being offered on the gaa website or supervalu are sections 326, 336 and 301.

I don't want to purchase, and be stuck with the crap view, only to have them open upper cusack on Wednesday or Thursday.
Eta we'd rather be in 736 than 336 any day of the week.

Audioslaven

km79 wrote: »

He isn't a full back though
It's probably the most specialist position
Sure if it was just a case of throwing a big lad in we have had plenty of options

I think move back to last years system or donie
And I'd lean towards a blend of both tbh!

Higgins is fast becoming a liability which is sad to say

With his pace and the fact he is no longer offering as much defensively I think he should be one of our impact subs

He was diabolical for that last 15 minutes

I don't think Vaughan has the burst of pace need at fullback, which is why I think Coen is a better option. I think Coen is a tighter marker as well and possibly Coen is better in the air.

The only negative side for Coen is that he is less experienced that Vaughan.

Either way it is a risk to leave Caff in there and a risk to put someone new in. I would be of the opinion to change him rather than do nothing. It could be a game to try someone new before Kerry, provided of course we beat Ros!!

Shurimgreat

If Caff is left in there against Kerry and Donaghy does what he usually does against him, we have no-one to blame but ourselves.

We need to put a big midfielder either at full back or right on front/double marking Donaghy. Otherwise he will make plenty of hay in there.

blinding

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If Caff is left in there against Kerry and Donaghy does what he usually does against him, we have no-one to blame but ourselves.

We need to put a big midfielder either at full back or right on front/double marking Donaghy. Otherwise he will make plenty of hay in there.

It would sort of be good manners to try to beat Roscommon first :eek:

Shurimgreat

blinding wrote: »

It would sort of be good manners to try to beat Roscommon first :eek:

Haha yeh jumping ahead of myself. IF we play Kerry, but agreed, it could go either way against Roscommon. In the event we beat them...

Shurimgreat

Again, if we beat Roscommon, I think we have the tools to cope with Kerry all over the field, except at full back, where if left as is, we will be badly exposed. That battle could decide the game as it did before.

km79

Audioslaven wrote: »

I don't think Vaughan has the burst of pace need at fullback, which is why I think Coen is a better option. I think Coen is a tighter marker as well and possibly Coen is better in the air.

The only negative side for Coen is that he is less experienced that Vaughan.

Either way it is a risk to leave Caff in there and a risk to put someone new in. I would be of the opinion to change him rather than do nothing. It could be a game to try someone new before Kerry, provided of course we beat Ros!!

He didn't mark too tight for second goal.......

franklyon

km79 wrote: »

Still haven't seen it
The Sunday game didn't show it .......