Ireland Under 20 2018 6 Nations and World Championships

MDunne14

Conor Hayes is one anyway

irishfan9 wrote: »

Almost certainly.. havent been able to get a list of players yet

RugbyRugby2016

I see Tommy O’Brien started for UCD yesterday so the knock he picked up in u20’s camp wasn’t too bad obviously

stellenbosch

RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »

I see Tommy O’Brien started for UCD yesterday so the knock he picked up in u20’s camp wasn’t too bad obviously

Think he was named but didnt play.

Trinity 20s beat UCD today 29-24-cracking game. T without Sylvestre both Dunnes and Joe Byrne. Harry Byrne for UCD is very good. Sheehan for T was excellent as was Ruben Pim and Johnny McKeon and Jay Moriarty

MDunne14

Moriarty 12 and kicking?sheehan is very tall for a hooker he’s a big unit , do u have teamsheets from game or any ideas of other names on both sides ?

stellenbosch wrote: »

Think he was named but didnt play.

Trinity 20s beat UCD today 29-24-cracking game. T without Sylvestre both Dunnes and Joe Byrne. Harry Byrne for UCD is very good. Sheehan for T was excellent as was Ruben Pim and Johnny McKeon and Jay Moriarty

stellenbosch

MDunne14 wrote: »

Moriarty 12 and kicking?sheehan is very tall for a hooker he’s a big unit , do u have teamsheets from game or any ideas of other names on both sides ?

Yes 12 and kicking-dont have team sheets unfortunately

irishfan9

UCD teamsheet, anyone provide Trinity?

1. Sam Griffin
2. Richie Bergin
3. Evin Coyle
4. Alec Byrne
5. Conor O'Flynn
6. Cian Reilly
7. Ben Murray
8. Ronan Foley
9. Patrick Patterson
10. Harry Byrne
11. Kevin Kyne
12. Marc Andrew Baker
13. Tobias Robinson
14. Jamie Stone
15. Ian O'Kelly
16. Matt O'Donovan
17. Emmet Burns
18. Bobby Keahy
19. David Pogatchnik
20. Liam Mulvihill
21. Jack O'Shea
22. Muiris Rowsome

Chico Flores

NUIG 12- Barnhall 60

In Premier 2

Looks like Barnhall and Wesley leading the charge in Prem 2.

irishfan9

U20's in action over the weekend, may be incomplete due to missing teamsheets.

Prop
Campbell Classon(Ulster/Ballynahinch) - started at 1.
Jordan Duggan(Leinster/Naas) - started at 1.
Joe Byrne(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 3.
Tom O'Toole(Ulster/Banbridge) - bench.

Hooker
Tadhg McCarthy(Munster/UCC) - started at 2.
Stephen McLaughlin(Leinster/Blackrock) - started at 2.
Dan Sheehan(Leinster/DUFC) - bench
Claytan Milligan(Ulster/Ballynahinch) - bench.
Diarmaid Barron(Munster/Garryowen) - bench.
John Hodnett(Munster/UCC) - bench.

Lock
Cormac Daly(Leinster/Clontarf) - started at 4, 1 try.
Ronan Coffey(Munster/Shannon) - started at 4.
JJ O'Dea(Leinster/Old Wesley) - started at 5.
Jack Dunne(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 5.
Matthew Dalton(Ulster/Malone) - started at 4.
John McCusker(Ulster/Rainey OB) - bench.

Backrow
Charlie Carmody(Munster/Shannon) - started at 6.
Richard Dunne(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 7.
Matthew Agnew(Ulster/Ballymena) - bench.
Sean Duffy(Munster/Cork Con) - bench.
Jack O'Sullivan(Munster/UCC) - bench.
Ronan Foley(Leinster/UCD) - bench.
Alan Francis(Leinster/Blackrock) bench.

Scrumhalf
Hugh O'Sullivan(Leinster/Clontarf) - started at 9.
Colin Sisk(Munster/Dolphin) - started at 14.
Rhys O'Donnell(Ulster/Ballynahinch) - bench.

Outhalf
James Taylor(Munster/UCC) - started at 10, 4 pens, 2 cons.
Conor Dean(Leinster/St. Marys) - started at 10, 1 oon.

Outside Backs
Daniel Hurley(Munster/Young Munster) - started at 11, 1 try.
Craig Kennedy(Leinster/St. Marys) - started at 11.
Tommy O'Callaghan(Leinster/Old Wesley) - started at 11, 1 try.
Ted O'Donoghue(Leinster/Terenure) - started at 12.
Sean O'Brien(Leinster/Clontarf) - started at 13, 1 try.
Angus Kernohan(Ulster/Ballymena) - started at 13.
Michael Silvester(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 15, 2 tries.
Conor Hayes(Munster/Young Munster) - started at 15.
Michael O'Neill(Ulster/Rainey) - started at 15, 1 try.
Matthew Norris(Ulster/Ballymena) - bench.
Alex Molloy(Munster/UCC) - bench.
Tom Roche(Leinster/Lansdowne) - bench.
Myles Carey(Leinster/St. Marys) - bench.
Tom McGann(Connacht/Buccaneers) - bench.
Chris Carey(Leinster/Old Belvedere) - bench, 1 try.

irishfan9

Michael Silvester's try at the weekend:

https://twitter.com/jamieheaslip/status/925350532088320001

stellenbosch

irishfan9 wrote: »

U20's in action over the weekend, may be incomplete due to missing teamsheets.

Prop
Campbell Classon(Ulster/Ballynahinch) - started at 1.
Jordan Duggan(Leinster/Naas) - started at 1.
Joe Byrne(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 3.
Tom O'Toole(Ulster/Banbridge) - bench.

Hooker
Tadhg McCarthy(Munster/UCC) - started at 2.
Dan Sheehan(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 2.
Stephen McLaughlin(Leinster/Blackrock) - started at 2.
Claytan Milligan(Ulster/Ballynahinch) - bench.
Diarmaid Barron(Munster/Garryowen) - bench.
John Hodnett(Munster/UCC) - bench.

Lock
Cormac Daly(Leinster/Clontarf) - started at 4, 1 try.
Ronan Coffey(Munster/Shannon) - started at 4.
JJ O'Dea(Leinster/Old Wesley) - started at 5.
Jack Dunne(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 5.
Matthew Dalton(Ulster/Malone) - started at 4.
John McCusker(Ulster/Rainey OB) - bench.

Backrow
Charlie Carmody(Munster/Shannon) - started at 6.
Richard Dunne(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 7.
Matthew Agnew(Ulster/Ballymena) - bench.
Sean Duffy(Munster/Cork Con) - bench.
Jack O'Sullivan(Munster/UCC) - bench.
Ronan Foley(Leinster/UCD) - bench.
Alan Francis(Leinster/Blackrock) bench.
Reuben Pim(Leinster/DUFC) - bench.

Scrumhalf
Hugh O'Sullivan(Leinster/Clontarf) - started at 9.
Colin Sisk(Munster/Dolphin) - started at 14.
Rhys O'Donnell(Ulster/Ballynahinch) - bench.

Outhalf
James Taylor(Munster/UCC) - started at 10, 4 pens, 2 cons.
Conor Dean(Leinster/St. Marys) - started at 10, 1 oon.

Outside Backs
Daniel Hurley(Munster/Young Munster) - started at 11, 1 try.
Craig Kennedy(Leinster/St. Marys) - started at 11.
Tommy O'Callaghan(Leinster/Old Wesley) - started at 11, 1 try.
Ted O'Donoghue(Leinster/Terenure) - started at 12.
Sean O'Brien(Leinster/Clontarf) - started at 13, 1 try.
Angus Kernohan(Ulster/Ballymena) - started at 13.
Michael Silvester(Leinster/DUFC) - started at 15, 2 tries.
Conor Hayes(Munster/Young Munster) - started at 15.
Michael O'Neill(Ulster/Rainey) - started at 15, 1 try.
Matthew Norris(Ulster/Ballymena) - bench.
Alex Molloy(Munster/UCC) - bench.
Tom Roche(Leinster/Lansdowne) - bench.
Myles Carey(Leinster/St. Marys) - bench.
Tom McGann(Connacht/Buccaneers) - bench.
Chris Carey(Leinster/Old Belvedere) - bench, 1 try.

DUFC:

Ruben Pim was not involved and Dan Sheehan was on bench

Chico Flores

Prem 1 Fixtures:

Clontarf v Dublin University
Lansdowne v Navan
Marys v Blackrock
UCD v Terenure

Prem 2 Fixtures:
NUIG v Greystones
Buccs v Old Belvedere
Barnhall v Dublin University
Wesley v Suttonians

Prem 3 Fixtures:
Bective v Carlow
DLSP v UCD
Naas v Clontarf
Belvedere v Boyne
Seapoint v Galwegians
Skerries v Tullamore

Leinster5

Prem 1 Fixtures:

Clontarf v Dublin University - Dublin University by a score
Lansdowne v Navan - Lansdowne by 25+ points
Marys v Blackrock - 'Rock by a score
UCD v Terenure - UCD by 10+ points

Seems to be a much more competitive league this year. Navan winning it last year seems to have giving lesser teams more belief.

stellenbosch

Leinster5 wrote: »

Prem 1 Fixtures:

Clontarf v Dublin University - Dublin University by a score
Lansdowne v Navan - Lansdowne by 25+ points
Marys v Blackrock - 'Rock by a score
UCD v Terenure - UCD by 10+ points

Seems to be a much more competitive league this year. Navan winning it last year seems to have giving lesser teams more belief.

DUFC will win by more than a score

D14Rugby

Leinster5 wrote: »

Prem 1 Fixtures:

Clontarf v Dublin University - Dublin University by a score
Lansdowne v Navan - Lansdowne by 25+ points
Marys v Blackrock - 'Rock by a score
UCD v Terenure - UCD by 10+ points

Seems to be a much more competitive league this year. Navan winning it last year seems to have giving lesser teams more belief.

Interested to hear your thinking behind these predictions as if you look at results so far and use aggregates as a basis you get fairly different results

Ayewserious

Anyone no where Joe Murphy is playing his rugby?

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Anyone no where Joe Murphy is playing his rugby?

Trinity i think

Leinster5

stellenbosch wrote: »

DUFC will win by more than a score

With Jack Kelly on the bench you might be right

Taking past performances along with talent on paper is the last thing you should do with U20 rugby.

irishfan9

Harry Byrne started for UCD, 18 year old outhalf starting in 1A. Very impressive even if UCD lost.

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

Harry Byrne started for UCD, 18 year old outhalf starting in 1A. Very impressive even if UCD lost.

Other 18 year olds have played 1A this year.. not surprising Byrne is being fast tracked in as Andrew skehan ucd and michaels sct head coach would know him very well having worked with him in school

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Other 18 year olds have played 1A this year.. not surprising Byrne is being fast tracked in as Andrew skehan ucd and michaels sct head coach would know him very well having worked with him in school

Its rare enough

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

Its rare enough

Not really Conor Hayes and Evan o Gorman both have for ym this season, Daniel Hurley , sylvester, Conor dean , caelan Doris all played last year as 18 year olds.. most Irish u19 players that are in 1A usually play

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Not really Conor Hayes and Evan o Gorman both have for ym this season, Daniel Hurley , sylvester, Conor dean , caelan Doris all played last year as 18 year olds.. most Irish u19 players that are in 1A usually play

Which is my point if u are starting in the ail regularly at 18 you are pretty likely to have a pro career on your future.

stellenbosch

Leinster5 wrote: »

Prem 1 Fixtures:

Clontarf v Dublin University - Dublin University by a score
Lansdowne v Navan - Lansdowne by 25+ points
Marys v Blackrock - 'Rock by a score
UCD v Terenure - UCD by 10+ points

Seems to be a much more competitive league this year. Navan winning it last year seems to have giving lesser teams more belief.

Clontarf 13-DUFC 47
Lansdowne 40- Navan 14
Marys 10-Rock 17
UCD 39-Nure 27

Great predictions except the Tarf/DUFC game as i thought!

D14Rugby

stellenbosch wrote: »

Clontarf 13-DUFC 47
Lansdowne 40- Navan 14
Marys 10-Rock 17
UCD 39-Nure 27

Great predictions except the Tarf/DUFC game as i thought!

You we're fairly spot on there alright. Some very high scoring games this year

The Lost Sheep

Saw some of NUIG-Corinthians v Greystones today in division 2.
Poor game. NUIG much better and deserved winners

Not all division 2 results in yet and some big wins in division 3. with 13 in that division it looks like it possibly could do with being split into another division to stop some of the better sides running up big scores against weaker sides

stellenbosch

D14Rugby wrote: »

You we're fairly spot on there alright. Some very high scoring games this year

Was at Rock/Marys-two decent sides-standout players were Rock hooker McLauglin and Marys centre Carey-although the latter needs to learn how to pass as he tries to beat everyone on his own!

irishfan9

stellenbosch wrote: »

Was at Rock/Marys-two decent sides-standout players were Rock hooker McLauglin and Marys centre Carey-although the latter needs to learn how to pass as he tries to beat everyone on his own!

Carey probably a wing at pro level

D14Rugby

Next week in Premier 1:
Blackrock vs Clontarf
Trinity vs Lansdowne
Navan vs UCD
Terenure vs St Mary's
Premier 2:
Trinity vs Old Wesley
Greystones vs Buccaneers
Old Belvedere vs Barnhall
Suttonians vs NUIG

Trinity vs Lansdowne and Terenure vs Marys probably the pick of the games.

ArmchairQB

D14Rugby wrote: »

Next week in Premier 1:
Blackrock vs Clontarf
Trinity vs Lansdowne
Navan vs UCD
Terenure vs St Mary's
Premier 2:
Trinity vs Old Wesley
Greystones vs Buccaneers
Old Belvedere vs Barnhall
Suttonians vs NUIG

Trinity vs Lansdowne and Terenure vs Marys probably the pick of the games.

Unlikely that Ternure v Mary’s will be that competitive would expect nure to be 2/3 scores better. Blackrock v Tarf will likely be close

D14Rugby

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Unlikely that Ternure v Mary’s will be that competitive would expect nure to be 2/3 scores better. Blackrock v Tarf will likely be close

never underestimate a derby, that's what I'm going off.

Chico Flores

Just to confirm the results

Premier 1:
Clontarf 13 - Dublin University 47
Lansdowne 40 - Navan 14
Marys 10 - Blackrock 17
UCD 39 - Terenure 27

Premier 2:
Old Wesley 44- Suttonians 24
Barnhall 60 - Dublin University 7
NUIG 12 - Greystones 10
Buccaneers v Old Belvedere - no score up yet

Premier 3:
Bective 62 - Carlow 22
Old Belvedere 12 - Boyne 21
Seapoint 19 - Galwegians 54
Skerries 26 - Tullamore 29

irishfan9

U20's in AIL action, missing info on some teams: Galwegians/Queens.

Prop
Jordan Duggan(Naas) - started at 1.
Campbell Classon(Ballynahinch) - started at 1.

Jack Aungier(St. Marys) - started at 3.
Joe Byrne(DUFC) - started at 3.

Tom O'Toole(Banbridge) - bench.
Bryan O'Connor(UCC) - bench.
Paul Mullen(Armagh) - bench.
Scott Agnew(Ballymena) - bench.(under-19)

Hooker
Eoghan Clarke(Wanderers) - started at 2.
John Hodnett(UCC) - started at 2.(under-19)

Ronan Kelleher(Lansdowne) - bench.
Dan Sheehan(DUFC) - bench.
Tadgh McCarthy(UCC) - bench.
Richie Bergin(UCD) - bench.(under-19)
Claytan Milligan(Ballynahinch) - bench.(under-19)

2nd Row
John McCusker(Rainey) - started at 4.
Ronan Coffey(Shannon) - started at 4.
Cormac Daly(Clontarf) - started at 4, 1 try.
JJ O'Dea(Old Wesley) - started at 4.
Jack Dunne(DUFC) - started at 5.

Sean English(UL Bohs) - bench.

Backrow
Charlie Carmody(Shannon) - started at 6.
Joe Dunleavy(Malone) - started at 6, 1 try.

Jack Daly(Garryowen) - started at 7.
Richard Dunne(DUFC) - started at 7.
Ronan Foley(UCD) - started at 7, 1 try.
Matthew Agnew(Ballymena) - started at 7.

Caelan Doris(St. Marys) - bench.
Jack O'Sullivan(UCC) - bench.
Aaron Hall(Ballynahinch) - bench.

Scrumhalf
Jonny Stewart(Queens) - bench for senior team.
Hugh O'Sullivan(Clontarf) - started at 9.
Michael Stronge(Ballymena) - started at 9.
Colin Sisk(Dolphin) - started at 14.(under-19)
Rhys O'Donnell(Ballynahinch) - bench.

Outhalf
Conor Dean(St. Marys) - started at 10, 1 con.
Harry Byrne(UCD) - started at 10, 1 pens, 3 cons.(under-19)
James Taylor(UCC) - started at 10, 3 pens, 2 cons.
Cormac Fox(Armagh) - started at 10, 3 pen, 1 con

Outside Backs
Tommy O'Callaghan(Old Wesley) - started at 11, 1 try.
Daniel Hurley(Young Munster) - started at 11, 1 try.
Craig Kennedy(St. Marys) - started at 11.
Chris Carey(Old Belvo) - started at 11.

Ted O'Donoghue(Terenure) - started a 12.

Sean O'Brien(Clontarf) - started at 13, 1 try.
David McCarthy(Garryowen) - started at 13.
Angus Kernohan(Ballymena) - started at 13, 1 try.(under-19)

Michael O'Neill(Rainey) - started at 14, 2 tries.(under-19)
Michael O'Reilly(Corinthians) - started at 14.(under-19)

Michael Silvester(DUFC) - started at 15.
Conor Hayes(Young Munster) - started at 15.(under-19)
Alex Molloy(UCC) - started at 15.

Myles Carey(St. Marys) - bench.
Matthew Norris(Ballymena) - bench.
Pa Ryan(Shannon) - bench.

Stainalert

Is he that good? 

irishfan9 wrote: »

stellenbosch wrote: »

Was at Rock/Marys-two decent sides-standout players were Rock hooker McLauglin and Marys centre Carey-although the latter needs to learn how to pass as he tries to beat everyone on his own!

Carey probably a wing at pro level

Is he 

irishfan9 wrote: »

stellenbosch wrote: »

Was at Rock/Marys-two decent sides-standout players were Rock hooker McLauglin and Marys centre Carey-although the latter needs to learn how to pass as he tries to beat everyone on his own!

Carey probably a wing at pro level

irishfan9

Stainalert wrote: »

Is he that good? 
 

as in a future pro? probably not tbh.

irishfan9

Did Kelly play at the weekend for Trinity 20's? If so where?

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Did Kelly play at the weekend for Trinity 20's? If so where?

Yes, he came on at 15 after 30 mins. Didn't do a huge amount really. Trinity looking strongest side in my opinion Lansdowne second best.

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Yes, he came on at 15 after 30 mins. Didn't do a huge amount really. Trinity looking strongest side in my opinion Lansdowne second best.

thanks, any comments on the game, standout players on either side?

is Darragh Bolger playing Tarf 20's?

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Yes, he came on at 15 after 30 mins. Didn't do a huge amount really. Trinity looking strongest side in my opinion Lansdowne second best.

thanks, any comments on the game, standout players on either side?

is Darragh Bolger playing Tarf 20's?

Trinity pack was good outside of the scrum. Dan Sheehan, Brian Egan and the 8 (can't remember his name) were all good. Max played too and was also good but got away with murder at the breakdown in what was one of the worst ref performances I have ever witnessed. Trin 10 12 13 were good too.

Yes, he is going well. Had a very good game against Marys up against Jack Aungier. Was dominant in the scrum yesterday as well but was given no reward. Cian Walsh at 8 for us was brilliant again.

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Trinity pack was good outside of the scrum. Dan Sheehan, Brian Egan and the 8 (can't remember his name) were all good. Max played too and was also good but got away with murder at the breakdown in what was one of the worst ref performances I have ever witnessed. Trin 10 12 13 were good too.

Yes, he is going well. Had a very good game against Marys up against Jack Aungier. Was dominant in the scrum yesterday as well but was given no reward. Cian Walsh at 8 for us was brilliant again.

Thanks, same Cian Walsh who played 12 for Belvo?

good to hear on Bolger, was surprised he didn't play for Leinster u19. Focusing full time on prop should be good for his development.

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Thanks, same Cian Walsh who played 12 for Belvo?

good to hear on Bolger, was surprised he didn't play for Leinster u19. Focusing full time on prop should be good for his development.

Yep, he is playing 8 again now. He's been brilliant all year.
Ye definitely and playing at a much higher level now which can only help. He's an impressive size for an 18 year old.

Chico Flores

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Yep, he is playing 8 again now. He's been brilliant all year.
Ye definitely and playing at a much higher level now which can only help. He's an impressive size for an 18 year old.

Bolger is still u18 this year. He has 3 years at 20s including this one.

irishfan9

Chico Flores wrote: »

Bolger is still u18 this year. He has 3 years at 20s including this one.

three years at u20 age grade, but only 2 years at leinster representative level..

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Yep, he is playing 8 again now. He's been brilliant all year.
Ye definitely and playing at a much higher level now which can only help. He's an impressive size for an 18 year old.

He has huge potential, hopefully that clontarf prop school can get him upto scratch at the art of being a front row.

Ayewserious

Has Peter sullivian played Ail yet?

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Has Peter sullivian played Ail yet?

nope, was injured for a good bit there afaik.

also Lansdowne don't really play a lot of u20's anymore in their AIL side.

irishfan9

U20's who trained with Ireland last week:

Cormac Daly(2nd row)
Harry Byrne(Outhalf)
Myles Carey(Outside Back)
Tom Roche(Outside Back)
Tommy O'Brien(Outside Back)
Peter Sullivan(Outside Back)

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

nope, was injured for a good bit there afaik.

also Lansdowne don't really play a lot of u20's anymore in their AIL side.

Tom Roche the only one so far.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Tom Roche the only one so far.

Ronan Kelleher was on the bench at the weekend too.

Stainalert

irishfan9 wrote: »

Ayewserious wrote: »

Has Peter sullivian played Ail yet?

nope, was injured for a good bit there afaik.

also Lansdowne don't really play a lot of u20's anymore in their AIL side.

Not sure how you've come to that view. If you go back over the last few seasons there has been a huge amount of U20's playing in the senior team. Last season Paul Boyle, Tadgh McElroy & Oisin Dowling from the Irish 20's all played senior rugby whilst Peter Hastie, Barry Fitzpatrick & Harry Brennan also played senior rugby. Ronan Kelleher has barely been available all season for selection. Peter Sullivan & Tom Roche have trained with the club for less than 6 weeks.

irishfan9

Stainalert wrote: »

Not sure how you've come to that view. If you go back over the last few seasons there has been a huge amount of U20's playing in the senior team. Last season Paul Boyle, Tadgh McElroy & Oisin Dowling from the Irish 20's all played senior rugby whilst Peter Hastie, Barry Fitzpatrick & Harry Brennan also played senior rugby. Ronan Kelleher has barely been available all season for selection. Peter Sullivan & Tom Roche have trained with the club for less than 6 weeks.

Fair point.. meant more that they don't rely on them..

how'd Kelleher get on yesterday? did he get through the game uninjured?