Ireland Under 20 2018 6 Nations and World Championships

Stainalert

irishfan9 wrote: »

Stainalert wrote: »

Not sure how you've come to that view. If you go back over the last few seasons there has been a huge amount of U20's playing in the senior team. Last season Paul Boyle, Tadgh McElroy & Oisin Dowling from the Irish 20's all played senior rugby whilst Peter Hastie, Barry Fitzpatrick & Harry Brennan also played senior rugby. Ronan Kelleher has barely been available all season for selection. Peter Sullivan & Tom Roche have trained with the club for less than 6 weeks.

Fair point.. meant more that they don't rely on them..

how'd Kelleher get on yesterday? did he get through the game uninjured?

No worries
Did very well when he came on and came through unscathed. Very good prospect for Leinster.

irishfan9

Stainalert wrote: »

No worries
Did very well when he came on and came through unscathed. Very good prospect for Leinster.

He is an excellent prospect, if he can stay healthy.

Obviously early days but would you rate him higher than McElroy? I probably would.

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Yep, he is playing 8 again now. He's been brilliant all year.
Ye definitely and playing at a much higher level now which can only help. He's an impressive size for an 18 year old.

He has huge potential, hopefully that clontarf prop school can get him upto scratch at the art of being a front row.

We've a pretty good recent track record anyway!

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

We've a pretty good recent track record anyway!

How'd Vakh get on at the weekend?

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Tarf1234 wrote: »

We've a pretty good recent track record anyway!

How'd Vakh get on at the weekend?

Came on at HT I think. Went well in open play as always. Loughman did well against him in the scrum which was disappointing.

Leinster5

stellenbosch wrote: »

Was at Rock/Marys-two decent sides-standout players were Rock hooker McLauglin and Marys centre Carey-although the latter needs to learn how to pass as he tries to beat everyone on his own!

Who coaches Mary's & Rock Under 20s do you know? Was at Clontarf vs UCD game, a lot of the younger players stood out(Byrne, O'Sullivan, Foley).

irishfan9

Leinster5 wrote: »

Who coaches Mary's & Rock Under 20s do you know? Was at Clontarf vs UCD game, a lot of the younger players stood out(Byrne, O'Sullivan, Foley).

Impressions of UCD hooker?

More impressive Byrne or O'Sullivan?

Leinster5

irishfan9 wrote: »

Impressions of UCD hooker?

More impressive Byrne or O'Sullivan?

McNulty, was decent. Both equally impressive to be honest.

irishfan9

How about mullin/frawley?

Any1 surprise you?

The Lost Sheep

Leinster5 wrote:

Who coaches Mary's & Rock Under 20s do you know? Was at Clontarf vs UCD game, a lot of the younger players stood out(Byrne, O'Sullivan, Foley).

Richie Allen and mark Roche are coaching Blackrock.

FellasFellas

Is Ronan Foley involved with Irish 20s? He seems to be getting rave reviews.

irishfan9

FellasFellas wrote: »

Is Ronan Foley involved with Irish 20s? He seems to be getting rave reviews.

Up to recently I don't believe so, heard he was good at the weekend alright.

Stainalert

irishfan9 wrote: »

Stainalert wrote: »

No worries
Did very well when he came on and came through unscathed. Very good prospect for Leinster.

He is an excellent prospect, if he can stay healthy.

Obviously early days but would you rate him higher than McElroy? I probably would.

Hard to say - both very good

irishfan9

With James French barely playing sp far this season, presumably due to injury we could be looking at all leinster front row:

1. Jordan Duggan(Naas)
2. Ronan Kelleher(Lansdowne)
3. Jack Aungier(Marys)

Possibly Joe Byrne(DUFC) could challenge for either of the prop positions given how impressive he has been this season.

MDunne14

Is there Irish 20s camp on today

Ayewserious

My predicted u 20 team
1-Duggan
2-kellher
3-aungier
4 Matthew Dalton
5- Jack dunne
6- ronan coffee
7- Richard Dunne
8- Caelan Dorris,
9- Johnny Stewart
10- Conor Dean
11- Tommy o'brien
12- David mcarthy
13- James Hume
14- Daniel Hurley
15- Michael silvester

irishfan9

No Sean Masterson would be a surprise, although he has yet to play this season after injury.

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Is there Irish 20s camp on today

not as far as i'm aware.

Stainalert

Ayewserious wrote: »

My predicted u 20 team
1-Duggan
2-kellher
3-aungier
4 Matthew Dalton
5- Jack dunne
6- ronan coffee
7- Richard Dunne
8- Caelan Dorris,
9- Johnny Stewart
10- Conor Dean
11- Tommy o'brien
12- David mcarthy
13- James Hume
14- Daniel Hurley
15- Michael silvester

Nice back 3 but I'd prefer to see O'Brien in the centre as I think there are some other strong back 3 candidates

irishfan9

Fancy this side better.

1. Duggan
2. Kelleher
3. Aungier
4. Daly
5. Dunne
6. O'Dea
7. Dunne
8. Doris
9. HOS
10. Dean
11. Roche
12. TOB
13. SOB
14. Sullivan
15. Silvester
16. Clarke
17. Byrne
18. O'Toole
19. Dalton
20. Kearney
21. Patterson
22. Byrne
23. Hurley

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

No Sean Masterson would be a surprise, although he has yet to play this season after injury.

I'm sure the team will look very different come six nations. Dunne is a more natural openside.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

I'm sure the team will look very different come six nations. Dunne is a more natural openside.

Won't look much different bar injury IMO.
Masterson could easily play 6.

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Fancy this side better.

1. Duggan
2. Kelleher
3. Aungier
4. Daly
5. Dunne
6. O'Dea
7. Dunne
8. Doris
9. HOS
10. Dean
11. Roche
12. TOB
13. SOB
14. Sullivan
15. Silvester

I'm sure the Ulster boys would have something to say about that��

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Won't look much different bar injury IMO.
Masterson could easily play 6.

Ye I like coffee at 6, he will probably call the lineouts. Back up outhalf will be interesting.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

I'm sure the Ulster boys would have something to say about that��

Aungier > O'Toole
Kelleher > Clarke
Dunne > McCusker
Daly > Dalton
Doris > Dunleavy
Dunne > Hall
O'Sullivan > Stewart
Dean > Lowry
O'Brien > Hume

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Aungier > O'Toole
Kelleher > Clarke
Dunne > McCusker
Daly > Dalton
Doris > Dunleavy
Dunne > Hall
O'Sullivan > Stewart
Dean > Lowry
O'Brien > Hume

Agree on most except Stewart's experience will likely give him the nod over h o's
And personally think Hume> sob

MDunne14

Ayewserious wrote: »

My predicted u 20 team
1-Duggan
2-kellher
3-aungier
4 Matthew Dalton
5- Jack dunne
6- ronan coffee
7- Richard Dunne
8- Caelan Dorris,
9- Johnny Stewart
10- Conor Dean
11- Tommy o'brien
12- David mcarthy
13- James Hume
14- Daniel Hurley
15- Michael silvester

james newey over McCarthy and masterson will start in the backrow .. Peter Sullivan, Cormac Daly and Hugh O’Sullivan will be close too

stellenbosch

MDunne14 wrote: »

james newey over McCarthy and masterson will start in the backrow .. Peter Sullivan, Cormac Daly and Hugh O’Sullivan will be close too

Sheehan DUFC will be there or there abouts im sure-we need physicality and hes a very big hooker with great handling and carrying skills

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

MDunne14 wrote: »

Is there Irish 20s camp on today

not as far as i'm aware.

They're in Clontarf today apparently

Ayewserious

stellenbosch wrote: »

Sheehan DUFC will be there or there abouts im sure-we need physicality and hes a very big hooker with great handling and carrying skills

Very good dept at hooker in this age group

MDunne14

stellenbosch wrote: »

Sheehan DUFC will be there or there abouts im sure-we need physicality and hes a very big hooker with great handling and carrying skills

It’ll be tough for him as both hookers ahead of him were capped last year

MDunne14

Very hard to know what backs will play where yet , mark Keane is someone who a lot of people forget he was capped last year and played for Ulster against babaas

Locke_Lamora

irishfan9 wrote: »

Ayewserious wrote: »

I'm sure the Ulster boys would have something to say about that��

Aungier > O'Toole
Kelleher > Clarke
Dunne > McCusker
Daly > Dalton
Doris > Dunleavy
Dunne > Hall
O'Sullivan > Stewart
Dean > Lowry
O'Brien > Hume

There are definitely some great prospects in Ulster this year, but I'd have to agree that most will just miss out in a very competitive year group. Really hope our academy can get there act together soon, cause I really think a few of these boys are capable of playing for the senior side in the not too distant future.

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

It’ll be tough for him as both hookers ahead of him were capped last year

Sheehan might, if he there are injuries.

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Very hard to know what backs will play where yet , mark Keane is someone who a lot of people forget he was capped last year and played for Ulster against babaas

hasn't played this season either afaik

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Very good dept at hooker in this age group

best in awhile, same as scrumhalf.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Agree on most except Stewart's experience will likely give him the nod over h o's
And personally think Hume> sob

I was comparing James Hume and Tommy O'Brien.

Stewart's experience might get him a game or two, but Hughie is potentially special and will out perform him and earn starting spot over a few games IMO.

irishfan9

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

There are definitely some great prospects in Ulster this year, but I'd have to agree that most will just miss out in a very competitive year group. Really hope our academy can get there act together soon, cause I really think a few of these boys are capable of playing for the senior side in the not too distant future.

It's an excellent forwards group, who given time should make an impact at senior.

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

james newey over McCarthy and masterson will start in the backrow .. Peter Sullivan, Cormac Daly and Hugh O’Sullivan will be close too

personally I think an exile who is abroad should not be considered.

MDunne14

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

There are definitely some great prospects in Ulster this year, but I'd have to agree that most will just miss out in a very competitive year group. Really hope our academy can get there act together soon, cause I really think a few of these boys are capable of playing for the senior side in the not too distant future.[/quote
Would have gall over Dunne more physical in the carry but Dunne is exceptional in d

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Would have Hall over Dunne more physical in the carry but Dunne is exceptional in d

need balance in the backrow, Dunne gives that.

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

need balance in the backrow, Dunne gives that.

Could be a big Blackrock representation in the squad again this year with Byrne , Dunne , Doris , Obrien , Roche and Charlie Ryan and Patterson if they both get back fit

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Could be a big Blackrock representation in the squad again this year with Byrne , Dunne , Doris , Obrien , Roche and Charlie Ryan and Patterson if they both get back fit

Patterson is back fit.

Ryan won't get into squad irregardless of health IMO, 2nd row too deep.

Strong representation always likely given how many JCT's they won in a row.

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

Patterson is back fit.

Ryan won't get into squad irregardless of health IMO, 2nd row too deep.

Strong representation always likely given how many JCT's they won in a row.

He was picked ahead of Dunne , mccusker for Irish schools 2 years ago and was due to captain them last year .. with squad likely to have 4-5 second rows he will be there at some stage

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

He was picked ahead of Dunne , mccusker for Irish schools 2 years ago and was due to captain them last year .. with squad likely to have 4-5 second rows he will be there at some stage

Big difference between now and then though, he hasn't played any rugby since school and IMO other 2nd rows have developed more and have experience of senior rugby.

2nd rows IMO will be Dunne, Dalton, Daly, Coffey & McCusker.

Maybe i'm wrong, Ryan will get healthy and start playing AIL for UCD and really impress.

Aaron Browne is another good 2nd row who is forgotten about due to injury, was starting in 1B last season for Old Wesley.

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

Big difference between now and then though, he hasn't played much rugby recently and IMO other 2nd rows have developed more.

2nd rows IMO will be Dunne, Dalton, Daly, Coffey & McCusker.

Maybe but regardless as seen in last 2 years not a chance of them all being fit all year with training camps, ail , A
games, 6nations and Jwc

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Maybe but regardless as seen in last 2 years not a chance of them all being fit all year with training camps, ail , A
games, 6nations and Jwc

true he may get a cap, needs to get healthy and stay injury free first.

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

true he may get a cap, needs to get healthy and stay injury free first.[/quote

Yeah impossible to tell who’ll be in the squad really would like to see who’s at that camp today .. Conor Hayes has been in the last 2 camps

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

irishfan9 wrote: »

true he may get a cap, needs to get healthy and stay injury free first.[/quote

Yeah impossible to tell who’ll be in the squad really would like to see who’s at that camp today .. Conor Hayes has been in the last 2 camps

camp squads don't change much, only a limited number of players after all.

irishfan9

Comparative heights of the 2nd rows:

Jack Dunne(DUFC): 6'7
Charlie Ryan(UCD): 6'7
Mattew Dalton(Malone): 6'6
John McCusker(Rainey): 6'6
Aaron Browne(Old Wesley): 6'6
Ronan Coffey(Shannon): 6'5
Cormac Daly(Clontarf): 6'5

What height are the Murray brothers? Niall and Darragh? Noticed Darragh made Ireland u18 club side, any idea if he is eligible again next season?