Ireland Under 20 2018 6 Nations and World Championships

Watched most of that Georgia game and they're just a poor team. The only guy there who looks like a real talent is Doris. You've a fairly average bunch of players who don't look very well coached and that's what you get. The performance was absolutely riddled with errors and bad decision making.

Dubinusa

Yea the coaching probably did not help. POC may not be a good coach, McNamara too. Throughout the 6 nations and the rwc, the team looked weak, indecisive and haphazard especially in defense.
Gotta believe that the mechanism and dynamics of the coaching team was substandard. Individuals looked good in some aspects but collectively they were a shambles.
A year in the academy will tell the true value of these players.

typhoony

Chico Flores wrote: »

Think you can include Jack O'Sullivan and O'Toole in the good players list.

Jury is out on any of the backs to be honest with me, they just don't seem to be big enough/smart enough/quick enough.

having watched the 6 nations and JWC Ronan Kellegher was the standout player for me and should make rapid progress in the next year or 2. a shame he was injured during the 6 nations

Ayewserious

The current u20 back line is the worst I've seen in some time

Squatter

Miguel Drab Giraffe wrote: »

Watched most of that Georgia game and they're just a poor team.
....
You've a fairly average bunch of players who don't look very well coached and that's what you get.

The performance was absolutely riddled with errors and bad decision making.

Not to mention four of five of the Irish players "helping" the referee to make decisions. Very annoying; was that courtesy of POC's coaching, I wonder? They'd all be far wiser to STFU and concentrate on their own games.

I only got around to watching the other game in our group last night - an absolute cracker with 11 tries that finished: France 46 - 29 South Africa.

France led 36 - 7 at half time but come close to throwing it away as the 'boks came back strongly in the last quarter.

The Lost Sheep

Ayewserious wrote: »

The current u20 back line is the worst I've seen in some time

Bit harsh.

Squatter wrote: »

Not to mention four of five of the Irish players "helping" the referee to make decisions. Very annoying; was that courtesy of POC's coaching, I wonder? They'd all be far wiser to STFU and concentrate on their own games.

I only got around to watching the other game in our group last night - an absolute cracker with 11 tries that finished: France 46 - 29 South Africa.

France led 36 - 7 at half time but come close to throwing it away as the 'boks came back strongly in the last quarter.

Thats just rubbish especially the comment about O Connell and players.

So its Scotland then Georgia or Japan.

Squatter

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Thats just rubbish especially the comment about O Connell and players.

So which one are you?

Chico Flores

Squatter wrote: »

So which one are you?

It is a rubbish comment.

Firstly you seem more concerned on the other gsme and when if that's your basis for O Connells coaching????

There are legitimate gripes about the way we have come out etc but O Connell was renowned for his polite dealing with refs and how he approached the game

The Lost Sheep

Squatter wrote: »

So which one are you?

well argued. such well explained and well backed up points...:rolleyes:

Team named for Scotland


15. Michael Silvester (Dublin University/Leinster)
14. James Hume (Banbridge/Ulster)
13. Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
12. Peter Sylvester (UCC/Munster)
11. Tommy O'Brien (UCD/Leinster)
10. Harry Byrne (UCD/Leinster)
9. Hugh O'Sullivan (Clontarf/Leinster)
1. Jordan Duggan (Naas/Leinster)
2. Diarmuid Barron (Garryowen/Munster)
3. Joe Byrne (Dublin University/Leinster)
4. Matthew Dalton (Malone/Ulster)
5. Jack Dunne (Dublin University/Leinster)
6. Joe Dunleavy (Malone/Ulster)
7. Matthew Agnew (Ballymena/Ulster)
8. Caelan Doris (St. Mary's College/Leinster) (capt)

Replacements:

16. Dan Sheehan (Dublin University/Leinster)
17. Bryan O'Connor (UCC/Munster)
18. Jakub Wojtkowicz (Sligo/Connacht)
19. Charlie Ryan (UCD/Leinster)
20. Jack Daly (Garryowen/Munster)
21. Jonny Stewart (Queen's University/Ulster)
22. Conor Dean (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
23. Tom Roche (Lansdowne/Leinster)

awec

Hume on the wing? Weird.

Number 137

Scotland Team:

1. Sam Grahamslaw - 6'4 and 119kg
2. Robbie Smith - 5'9 and 108kg
3. Finlay Richardson - 6'0 and 105kg
4. Marshall Sykes - 6'6 and 107kg
5. Jamie Hodgson - 6'6 and 105kg
6. Martin Hughes - 6'4 and 99kg
7. Rory Darge - 6'1 and 93kg
8. Devante Onojaife - 6'4 and 112kg
9. Charlie Chapman - 5'8 and 78kg
10. Callum McLelland - 5'10 and 90kg
11. Kyle Rowe - 5'11 and 88kg
12. Stafford McDowall - 6'5 and 103kg
13. Cammy Hutchison - 6'0 and 99kg
14. Logan Trotter - 6'1 and 88kg
15. Paddy Dewhirst - 5'11 and 88kg

16. Finlay Scott (Hooker) - 5'10 and 92kg
17. Murphy Walker (Prop) - 6'1 and 109kg
18. Ross Dunbar (Prop) - 6'1 and 108kg
19. Charlie Jupp (Lock) - 6'6 and 95kg
20. Guy Graham (Back Row) - 6'0 and 103kg
21. Charlie Gowling (Scrum Half) - 5'8 and 78kg
22. Ross Thompson (Fly Half) - 6'0 and 82kg
23. Fraser Strachan (Centre) - 6'2 and 95kg

The Lost Sheep

Michael Lowry has been called up to the squad

joseywhales

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Michael Lowry has been called up to the squad

Maybe he can do some creative accounting to keep us in the competition.

Locke_Lamora

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Michael Lowry has been called up to the squad

Really excited by this - one of the most talented schools players I’ve seen and an excellent attackig threat. Of course I’m often wrong on these things, and there are still concerns about his size and kicking. The back line has also been very underwhelming this year. Glad he’s going anyway, after apparently being messed about a little

ArmchairQB

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Really excited by this - one of the most talented schools players I’ve seen and an excellent attackig threat. Of course I’m often wrong on these things, and there are still concerns about his size and kicking. The back line has also been very underwhelming this year. Glad he’s going anyway, after apparently being messed about a little

Need the pack to step up, not going anywhere unless they scrummage better and get the backs decent and quick ball. Front row under powered against the big guns will learn more after scotland game

clsmooth

Can't seem to find this one on youtube?

The Lost Sheep

clsmooth wrote: »

Can't seem to find this one on youtube?

World Rugby are streaming it. Mightnt be available in Ireland though...

We're 7-3 up. try harry byrne after good work by pack

The Lost Sheep

14-3 now. excellent maul then lovely dink by byrne and silvester scores try. 22 minutes gone

Locke_Lamora

It's not available in ireland - Eir Sport have the rights I think. None of my usual streams are working either unfortunately.

Bridge93

Losing 17-14 and down to 14 men it seems

Utopia Parkway

Ireland go from 14-3 up to 24-14 down. This is a bad U-20 side unfortunately.

The Lost Sheep

24-14 now. Ireland down to 14. Penalty kicked to corner. Maul which sucked a lot of irish defenders in then scots brought it wide to score in far corner.

Bridge93

Shambles

The Lost Sheep

24-17 half time. Could have been lot worse

Former Coach

Trotter is a great name for a winger!

The Lost Sheep

Good individual try for Scots. 31-17. 50 minutes gone

bilston

Did Ireland not beat Scotland by 50 points before the tournament started?

sydthebeat

pm me for stream

sydthebeat

17 - 31 to scotland

sydthebeat

great cross field kick move by byrne on the half way line ends with him spilling forward on the 22

The Lost Sheep

bilston wrote: »

Did Ireland not beat Scotland by 50 points before the tournament started?

They did but scots were missing quite a few as premiership clubs didnt release a load of scots.

sydthebeat

another scotland try

Bridge93

So we're playing Japan to be relegated?

The Lost Sheep

38-17 now

The Lost Sheep

Bridge93 wrote: »

So we're playing Japan to be relegated?

You would assume Georgia beat them but yeah loser of that game

The Lost Sheep

Tommy O Brien try on blindside off attacking 5m try.
Conversion about to be kicked and Byrne slots it but TMO comes in.
Foul play in process of scoring. nothing more.

Hands Like Flippers

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Bridge93 wrote: »

So we're playing Japan to be relegated?

You would assume Georgia beat them but yeah loser of that game

By no means a certainty that we would beat either.

sydthebeat

14 down, 17 mins left

The Lost Sheep

Stats just came up on line out. we've lost 5 of 11 lineouts. Scots now with penalty for us collapsing maul deep in our 22

sydthebeat

scotland score again

Utopia Parkway

A good stuffing now. 45-24.

The Lost Sheep

Game definitely over now.
43-24 conversion to come with 11 minutes to go and Doris binned for pulling down maul

munsterlegend

It's a very poor Irish team. Last play of the day and the Irish winger kicks it rather than retaining possession! I think that sums it up.

Chico Flores

All over -45-29

Serious question over defensive structure - and everything else actually.

Confidence must be at an all time low.

kingofthekong

Dear Lord, If Ireland lose to Japan will they be the only six nations side to be relegated bar Italy?

kingofthekong

If Ireland do get relegated the whole under age and development of players in this country needs to be looked at , the same with under age coaching

The Lost Sheep

kingofthekong wrote: »

Dear Lord, If Ireland lose to Japan will they be the only six nations side to be relegated bar Italy?

Yes

The Lost Sheep

kingofthekong wrote: »

If Ireland do get relegated the whole under age and development of players in this country needs to be looked at, the same with under age coaching

What would you want looked at in terms of development and coaching?

Chico Flores

kingofthekong wrote: »

If Ireland do get relegated the whole under age and development of players in this country needs to be looked at , the same with under age coaching

Slightly knee jerk.... It's two years since we got to final.

Last year underperformed but also developed Larmour, Nash etc

This year is a very poor vintage. It happens and questions for sure over the coaching. But all underage...

Squidgy Black

kingofthekong wrote: »

If Ireland do get relegated the whole under age and development of players in this country needs to be looked at , the same with under age coaching

Does it? We have limited playing numbers due to exams, a handful of decent players injured also. I'd like to see a comparison between the age that players in other countries like England and Wales leave full time education and enter academies (full-time rugby programs). A lot of our players are only entering their first real full-time rugby program, with a lot being sub-academy players

I know it's a poor result, but I think the above reaction is a bit over the top. Our academies have shown to produce some really good talent, and the clubs system is also improving too.