Ireland Under 20 2018 6 Nations and World Championships

bilston

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

This England u20s side came 9th in 2012:

Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)*
Nick Auterac (Saracens)
Alec Hepburn (London Wasps)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Nathan Morris (London Wasps)
Scott Spurling (Saracens)
Koree Britton (Gloucester Rugby)*
Sam Twomey (Harlequins)*
George Merrick (Harlequins)
Tom Price (Leicester Tigers)
Dom Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)
Ben Nutley (Northampton Saints)
Chris Walker (Leeds Carnegie)
Matt Kvesic (Worcester Warriors)*
Billy Vunipola (London Wasps)
Will Skuse (Bath Rugby)
Jack Clifford (Harlequins)
Alex Day (Northampton Saints)
Ben Spencer (Saracens)
Tom Heathcote (Bath Rugby)
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)*
Ryan Mills (Gloucester Rugby)*
Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs)
Elliot Daly (London Wasps)*
Jamie Elliott (Northampton Saints)*
Mark Jennings (Sale Sharks)
Marland Yarde (London Irish)*
Charlie Walker (Harlequins)
Will Addison (Sale Sharks)
Ben Ransom (Saracens)*
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)

Our lads looked a bit underdeveloped compared to the French especially, but I even thought the same when we played Italy in the 6 nations. Size is the easiest thing to add at that age. Some nice performances from some of the young lads and that outcome doesn't mean anything for any 9f their hopes in the long run.

Goes to show doesn't it. I make it 4 Lions in that England squad?

Guy:Incognito

Is the final on TV?

The Lost Sheep

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is the final on TV?

Eir Sport1

swiwi_

Some outstanding players on display. France 3,8 also Marcus smith is class

Squidgy Black

Think that's no more than a penalty, he already committed to the tackle before the player kicked the ball.

corny

If there's an attempt to wrap whats the penalty for. No way is that late. Officials being swayed by the crowd

gazump123

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Think that's no more than a penalty, he already committed to the tackle before the player kicked the ball.

He was already playing advantage for another penalty so didn't matter.

Squidgy Black

That French scrum is something else.

swiwi_

The French starting 8 are awesome. Mullered NZ and starting well here vs eng

pickarooney

The French tight head's offload, slamming it into the ground, was truly a thing.of beauty.

Dubinusa

NZ got jobbered bu the Boks. Love it

The Lost Sheep

So groups confirmed for next year
France/Argentina/Wales/winner of trophy
England/Australia/Italy/Ireland
South Africa/New Zealand/Georgia/Scotland

Utopia Parkway

Doris had the most tackles (78) and most offloads (15) in the tournament. Pretty good going.

Hands Like Flippers

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Doris had the most tackles (78) and most offloads (15) in the tournament. Pretty good going.

Just shows you how much pressure was on him though.

joseywhales

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

So groups confirmed for next year
France/Argentina/Wales/winner of trophy
England/Australia/Italy/Ireland
South Africa/New Zealand/Georgia/Scotland

That could have been a lot worse

Rugby123innow

Clontarf 20s to win the lot next year.

Fraser Mc Mullen
Leinster.
League.

Great squad coming through with lots of depth. This team coming through dominated all of minis rugby from 12s-18s with their schools players coming back and money being pumped in from anonymous sources they will be too strong for everyone else.

FrannoFan

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Clontarf 20s to win the lot next year.

Fraser Mc Mullen
Leinster.
League.

Great squad coming through with lots of depth. This team coming through dominated all of minis rugby from 12s-18s with their schools players coming back and money being pumped in from anonymous sources they will be too strong for everyone else.

Can you throw a few names out to watch for?

seliot900

FrannoFan wrote: »

Can you throw a few names out to watch for?

Daragh Bolger(LH Prop)
Declan Adamson(Hooker)
Michael Milne(TH Prop)
David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Centre)

Sure theres a few others.

Tomtomfoolery

seliot900 wrote: »

Daragh Bolger(LH Prop)
Declan Adamson(Hooker)
Michael Milne(TH Prop)
David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Centre)

Sure theres a few others.

think DH is a 10 only. Heard Trinity have been busy recruiting. will depend on LC obviously but expect them to be competitive

seliot900

Tomtomfoolery wrote: »

think DH is a 10 only. Heard Trinity have been busy recruiting. will depend on LC obviously but expect them to be competitive

No..can play positions other than 10..

Ayewserious

I heard Hawkshaw might be talking a gap year to aus

D14Rugby

seliot900 wrote: »

Daragh Bolger(LH Prop)
Declan Adamson(Hooker)
Michael Milne(TH Prop)
David Hawkshaw(Outhalf/Centre)

Sure theres a few others.

First two were playing this year already and second two if they ent up in tarf will probably be playing firsts so will be ineligible for every 20s competition bar the all Ireland

seliot900

D14Rugby wrote: »

First two were playing this year already and second two if they ent up in tarf will probably be playing firsts so will be ineligible for every 20s competition bar the all Ireland

Bolger and Adamson would be hoping to play 1sts too.. outside shots at academy places

Atho given how good daly was for tarf and he failed to get a leinster academy place both of them probably have very little chance bar huge improvements.

Chico Flores

Hugo Lennox also going to Clontarf

RockBoysarewii

Ayewserious wrote: »

I heard Hawkshaw might be talking a gap year to aus

Will he be playing rugby in Australia?

Rugby123innow

None of those props will get into the first year next year, soroka and Burke flynn with vaks coming back I don’t think so.

Milne is a doubt to come to Clontarf
Hawkshaw more than likely will end up in OB
Darragh Bolger is going to trinity.

Rugby123innow

Frankie o Dea will be 10 for tarf next year, possibly 12 but a definite starter

ArmchairQB

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Frankie o Dea will be 10 for tarf next year, possibly 12 but a definite starter

Yeah DH will not start for Tarf senior team not at that level yet! Is O'Dea the under 20 10 who played some senior last year?

seliot900

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Yeah DH will not start for Tarf senior team not at that level yet! Is O'Dea the under 20 10 who played some senior last year?

No that was conor kelly..

Hawkshaw should be aiming to start, any1 with serious u20 and pro ambitions should be aiming to start asap at 1A level.

stellenbosch

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Frankie o Dea will be 10 for tarf next year, possibly 12 but a definite starter

For TARF 20s but not for firsts in Div 1A ?

Squidgy Black

Very rare to see a player come straight out of school and play AIL 1A. Let alone at fly half.

seliot900

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Very rare to see a player come straight out of school and play AIL 1A. Let alone at fly half.

Harry Byrne did last season.
Conor Dean did the season before.
Both as u19s.

It is not rare for the top irish u20 to do it.

ArmchairQB

seliot900 wrote: »

Harry Byrne did last season.
Conor Dean did the season before.
Both as u19s.

It is not rare for the top irish u20 to do it.

They did on poor teams, Conor Deane couldn't force his way into being regular starter and was way off pace. Harry Byrne also wasn't there all the time and was also way off pace. Tarf, Lansdowne etc wont put a kid out of school at 10 unless he is exceptional DH is not

seliot900

ArmchairQB wrote: »

They did on poor teams, Conor Deane couldn't force his way into being regular starter and was way off pace. Harry Byrne also wasn't there all the time and was also way off pace. Tarf, Lansdowne etc wont put a kid out of school at 10 unless he is exceptional DH is not

Well the provision that it had to be on strong 1A teams wasn't mentioned. Top players play 1A out of school all the time.

Tarf1234

Conor Kelly played a lot for us last year at Ail and starter a couple

stellenbosch

ArmchairQB wrote: »

They did on poor teams, Conor Deane couldn't force his way into being regular starter and was way off pace. Harry Byrne also wasn't there all the time and was also way off pace. Tarf, Lansdowne etc wont put a kid out of school at 10 unless he is exceptional DH is not

Harry Byrne to Lansdowne

D14Rugby

stellenbosch wrote: »

Harry Byrne to Lansdowne

He'll give up a full scholarship and being based in the one place for everything to move to a slightly better 1A team?

RockBoysarewii

D14Rugby wrote: »

He'll give up a full scholarship and being based in the one place for everything to move to a slightly better 1A team?

I suspect Landsdowne might be paying his college fees and more.

ArmchairQB

RockBoysarewii wrote: »

I suspect Landsdowne might be paying his college fees and more.

Doubt that most likely wants to play behind a better pack and progress like Carberry, Delahunt and Byrne twin before him who all improved when moving from a college team to a top club team and I am sure Tarf, Lansdowne Ternure would be a good bit ahead of UCD not just slightly better expect more to leave as they do every year when they see it’s not going to work the way they invisaged. Always thought Ross Molony should have moved as well into a more competitive environment to one of the clubs seems to be gone stale last two years

Squidgy Black

Academy players get their college fees paid for by the province rather than scholarship no?

ArmchairQB

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Academy players get their college fees paid for by the province rather than scholarship no?

No don’t think so other than full ad Astra scholarships there are “allowances” that they offer to players that some call scholarships but more like €150 per month that most college players get

FrannoFan

ArmchairQB wrote: »

They did on poor teams, Conor Deane couldn't force his way into being regular starter and was way off pace. Harry Byrne also wasn't there all the time and was also way off pace. Tarf, Lansdowne etc wont put a kid out of school at 10 unless he is exceptional DH is not

Except carbery who played for clontarf?

case885

FrannoFan wrote:

Except carbery who played for clontarf?

He did say unless exceptional, I think carbery qualified in that regard.

ArmchairQB

FrannoFan wrote: »

Except carbery who played for clontarf?

Was not straight out of school when he played for Tarf.

Tomtomfoolery

Maybe time to rename this thread? Seeing as we are in pre season for next year

The Lost Sheep

Tomtomfoolery wrote: »

Maybe time to rename this thread? Seeing as we are in pre season for next year

Eh.... or you look down and see thread for next year already open....

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057885982

Tomtomfoolery

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Eh.... or you look down and see thread for next year already open....

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057885982

Many thanks