Schools Rugby 2017 2018 Thread SEE MOD WARNING POST #1773

C3PO

Gerard's lost to Gonzaga in the Juniors 5-0. Gonzaga scored very early and while Gerard's fought and defended well they never really looked like winning it!

Gonzaga also beat St. Fintans on the next pitch in the Seniors. Not sure of the final score but looked like a very tight game!

Ruggerhead

Big day of schools Rugby for both the Senior and Junior league quarterfinals. Any players or teams impressed today in Juniors and Seniors? From what I heard there was the age old problem of students being touch judges...

Imhof Tank

Senior league QFs
Newbridge 17 Pres Bray 15
Roscrea 13 Castleknock 13
St Gerards 30 St Andrews 13
Gonzaga 25 St Fintans 5

Junior league QFs
Castleknock 40 CUS 12
Gonzaga 5 St Gerards 0
Temple Carrig 24 Newbridge 22
CBC v Roscrea tomorrow

FrannoFan

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Senior league QFs
Newbridge 17 Pres Bray 15
Roscrea 13 Castleknock 13
St Gerards 30 St Andrews 13
Gonzaga 25 St Fintans 5

Junior league QFs
Castleknock 40 CUS 12
Gonzaga 5 St Gerards 0
Temple Carrig 24 Newbridge 22
CBC v Roscrea tomorrow

Great result from temole carrig.
Home advantage big in all games. Castleknock draw only result going against the home side

The Lost Sheep

Ruggerhead wrote: »

Big day of schools Rugby for both the Senior and Junior league quarterfinals. Any players or teams impressed today in Juniors and Seniors? From what I heard there was the age old problem of students being touch judges...

can't do much about that
You can be lucky enough to get referees midweek never mind touch judges.
Bish beat Jes in Galway derby in opening pool game in junior schools Connacht cup today. Game finished 31-14
Jes possibly had some better individuals but were not clever enough on the day.

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Who is john martin and what position does he play?

Ye wasn't sure of his first name, second row last year no.8 atm

Ayewserious

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

Matthew Martin maybe

Yes John is he's brother, thank you

Rugby boi

Didn’t get down to the game but heard castleknock should’ve beaten roscrea , physically matched them and another good display from pack anyone know arrangements for replay?

stuckintipp

Munster draw this evening;

CBC v Ard Scoil
PBC v Castletroy
Glenstal v Rockwell
Qualifier v Crescent
Bandon v St Munchins

urbanchick

Rugby boi wrote: »

Didn’t get down to the game but heard castleknock should’ve beaten roscrea , physically matched them and another good display from pack anyone know arrangements for replay?

Leinster Domestic has the replay listed for next Wednesday in Castleknock

The Lost Sheep

stuckintipp wrote: »

Munster draw this evening;

CBC v Ard Scoil
PBC v Castletroy
Glenstal v Rockwell
Qualifier v Crescent
Bandon v St Munchins

Its same draw for both junior and senior bar a slight difference in junior

The senior and junior sides from Coláiste Pobail Bheanntraí and St Clements Limerick are in the qualifier finals.
Winner in the senior faces the comp while at junior level the winner faces the comp while the loser faces ard scoil

irishfan9

PBC or Glenstal again IMO.

Granny15

Anyone got word of the Clongowes result last weekend?

menu14

Granny15 wrote: »

Anyone got word of the Clongowes result last weekend?

Not sure of weekend but they played Castletroy yesterday in Carlow IT without their 6th years and won 30 - 25.

irishfan9

Clongowes should have a very good side, something like below?

1. Conor Duff
2. Bobby Sheehan
3. Ryan McMahon
4. Tom Coghlan
5. Dan Beggs
6. Anthony Ryan
7. Gavn Dowling
8. Matthew Martin
9. Conrad Daly
10. David Wilkinson
11. Chris Grimes
12. Ben O'Shea
13. Tim O’Brien
14. Joe Carroll
15. John Maher

irishfan9

Michaels side for Terenure game:

1. Jack Boyle(4th)
2. Lee Barron(4th)
3. Chris Hennessy(6th)
4. Jonathan Fish(5th)
5. Matthew Healy(6th)
6. Jody Booth(6th)
7. Scott Penny(6th)
8. Dan O'Donovan(6th)
9. Rob Gilsenan(5th)
10. David Moran(6th)
11. Eddie Kelly(4th)
12. David Ryan(6th)
13. Elliot Haran(6th)
14. Mark O'Brien(5th)
15. Chris Cosgrave(4th)
16. Pierce Feeney(6th)
17. Adam Peat(6th)
18. Fionn Finlay(5th)
19. Will Hickey(4th)
20. Mark Hernan(5th)
21. Des McCarthy(6th)
22. Andrew Smith(5th)
23. Jeff O'Loughlin(6th)
24. Mark Earle(6th)

Baird has barely played this season.

Granny15

menu14 wrote: »

Not sure of weekend but they played Castletroy yesterday in Carlow IT without their 6th years and won 30 - 25.

You'd have to wonder are they aiming to bring through their JCT players from last year who were above average for most schools but very good for Clongowes. Some very secretive things happening behind closed doors.

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Michaels side for Terenure game:

1. Jack Boyle(4th)
2. Lee Barron(4th)
3. Chris Hennessy(6th)
4. Jonathan Fish(5th)
5. Matthew Healy(6th)
6. Jody Booth(6th)
7. Scott Penny(6th)
8. Dan O'Donovan(6th)
9. Rob Gilsenan(5th)
10. David Moran(6th)
11. Eddie Kelly(4th)
12. David Ryan(6th)
13. Elliot Haran(6th)
14. Mark O'Brien(5th)
15. Chris Cosgrave(4th)
16. Pierce Feeney(6th)
17. Adam Peat(6th)
18. Fionn Finlay(5th)
19. Will Hickey(4th)
20. Mark Hernan(5th)
21. Des McCarthy(6th)
22. Andrew Smith(5th)
23. Jeff O'Loughlin(6th)
24. Mark Earle(6th)

Baird has barely played this season.

Ye his injures are worrying.suprised Niall Carrolls not had more of a look in this season.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Ye his injures are worrying.suprised Niall Carrolls not had more of a look in this season.

Dunno if they are worrying, just notable he hasn't played much. Then again he is a 17 year old who isn't finished growing so no need to push him.

Not surprised by Carroll, clearly Moran/Barron are their 10's this year.. let him play as much as possible at 2XV level and not have him sitting on bench. He is clearly their 10 of the future.

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Dunno if they are worrying, just notable he hasn't played much. Then again he is a 17 year old who isn't finished growing so no need to push him.

Not surprised by Carroll, clearly Moran/Barron are their 10's this year.. let him play as much as possible at 2XV level and not have him sitting on bench. He is clearly their 10 of the future.

He most most of preseason last year aswell..watching Carroll at jct level I expected him to give Moran a run for his money. Mark o Briene is one to keep an eye on,been excellent this season surpassed Andrew smith in my opinion .

irishfan9

I think O'Brien is u17, but could be wrong.

Granny15

Ayewserious wrote: »

He most most of preseason last year aswell..watching Carroll at jct level I expected him to give Moran a run for his money. Mark o Briene is one to keep an eye on,been excellent this season surpassed Andrew smith in my opinion .

Anyone of note from Clongowes?

Playing up Michaels and Playing down dark horses Clongowes isn't going to work this year.

There'll be schools waiting for their "serious effort at cup time" in the first/second rounds.

irishfan9

Granny15 wrote: »

Anyone of note from Clongowes?

Playing up Michaels and Playing down dark horses Clongowes isn't going to work this year.

There'll be schools waiting for their "serious effort at cup time" in the first/second rounds.

Literally no one is trying to do this.

Ally Bren 92

Granny15 wrote: »

Anyone of note from Clongowes?

Playing up Michaels and Playing down dark horses Clongowes isn't going to work this year.

There'll be schools waiting for their "serious effort at cup time" in the first/second rounds.[/

Big michaels head,what are u on about ha

Noscrumnowin

irishfan9 wrote: »

Literally no one is trying to do this.

In fairness though with the level of talent Michaels have had in the last few years it’s a farce that they perform so poorly Cup time, one wouldn’t exactly be wrong in saying they’re a pre season team, so it’s hard not to hype them up when talking about them as individuals

irishfan9

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

In fairness though with the level of talent Michaels have had in the last few years it’s a farce that they perform so poorly Cup time, one wouldn’t exactly be wrong in saying they’re a pre season team, so it’s hard not to hype them up when talking about them as individuals

Yeah..

On preseason results and talent they should be favourites but they arent for a reason.. as a team no one expects them to win the cup because its the same story every year

Ally Bren 92

irishfan9 wrote: »

Yeah..

On preseason results and talent they should be favourites but they arent for a reason.. as a team no one expects them to win the cup because its the same story every year

Very true

Noscrumnowin

irishfan9 wrote: »

Yeah..

On preseason results and talent they should be favourites but they arent for a reason.. as a team no one expects them to win the cup because its the same story every year

You wonder what’s going on there that it keeps happening.

irishfan9

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

You wonder what’s going on there that it keeps happening.

Ah they arent that much more talented than belvo/rock and with teenagers anything can happen in a once off game.. nature of a cup competition

Noscrumnowin

irishfan9 wrote: »

Ah they arent that much more talented than belvo/rock and with teenagers anything can happen in a once off game.. nature of a cup competition

Although I do acknowledge your point if you look at their Instagram stmcrugby they are very keen to point out the amount of Leinster/ International players they have and to have as many as they do to have won 2 senior cups in comparrison to Blackrocks donination 5 years ago and now Belvo, it is truly bizarre that they haven’t won it at all really

FrannoFan

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

Although I do acknowledge your point if you look at their Instagram stmcrugby they are very keen to point out the amount of Leinster/ International players they have and to have as many as they do to have won 2 senior cups in comparrison to Blackrocks donination 5 years ago and now Belvo, it is truly bizarre that they haven’t won it at all really

Brian omeara made a hash of one year that they should have won

Belvo were more street smart the last few years. Smarter players clearer on game plan maybe or just better coached?
You are dealing with teenagers and the fact that team changes yearly can hardly classify the players as bottlers or anything like that.
Clearly doing a lot right to be producing quality players/teams year on year

Granny15

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

Although I do acknowledge your point if you look at their Instagram stmcrugby they are very keen to point out the amount of Leinster/ International players they have and to have as many as they do to have won 2 senior cups in comparrison to Blackrocks donination 5 years ago and now Belvo, it is truly bizarre that they haven’t won it at all really

Instagram is for Michaels people. It's called be happy about what you've been given( the amount of contracts handed out in comparison to relatively few cup wins) As for wondering what went on at the school that there is so few cups until there is some serious coaches brought in there won't be more Cups at the school

Granny15

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

You wonder what’s going on there that it keeps happening.

Hiring coaches that aren't experienced is a problem for the school but we are trying to keep the coaching in house of past pupils only. That and not having the same past pupil support as the more established schools with past pupil clubs

Granny15

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

In fairness though with the level of talent Michaels have had in the last few years it’s a farce that they perform so poorly Cup time, one wouldn’t exactly be wrong in saying they’re a pre season team, so it’s hard not to hype them up when talking about them as individuals

Pressure and bottlers tag doesn't help.

irishfan9

Its not all about winning the cup at michaels which is to be admired..

Granny15

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

Although I do acknowledge your point if you look at their Instagram stmcrugby they are very keen to point out the amount of Leinster/ International players they have and to have as many as they do to have won 2 senior cups in comparrison to Blackrocks donination 5 years ago and now Belvo, it is truly bizarre that they haven’t won it at all really

Previous years as cup winners has no bearing on this years teams just as friendly season has no bearing on teams performance at cup time

Granny15

irishfan9 wrote: »

Its not all about winning the cup at michaels which is to be admired..

I tend to disagree

irishfan9

Granny15 wrote: »

I tend to disagree

There is more to playing rugby than winning a senior cup..

Granny15

irishfan9 wrote: »

There is more to playing rugby than winning a senior cup..

Yep I agree with that but disagree that there's more than winning SCT at michaels. It is a big priority biggger than producing players is

Noscrumnowin

Granny15 wrote: »

I tend to disagree

As would I what do Michaels get out of just producing players for the next level

D14Rugby

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

As would I what do Michaels get out of just producing players for the next level

What sort of question is that? Thats the whole point of development rugby, to help as many players as possible to the next level. The cups and leagues are just a bonus

irishfan9

Im not saying it shouldnt be a priority but its not the be all that ends all..more michaels lads seem to keep playing club rugbywhen compared to other big schools and get involved in coaching etc.

irishfan9

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

As would I what do Michaels get out of just producing players for the next level

What do they get out of helping kids reach their potential?

FrannoFan

I'm sure they are delighted with the success of the individuals but to think they don't desperately want to win the cup is mistaken.
All the schools desperately want to win it and it is the priority for anyone involved in the cup side starting 15.
That said the two things are not mutually exclusive. Developing your players to the best of their ability is a good way to go about winning the cup

irishfan9

FrannoFan wrote: »

I'm sure they are delighted with the success of the individuals but to think they don't desperately want to win the cup is mistaken.
All the schools desperately want to win it and it is the priority for anyone involved in the cup side starting 15.
That said the two things are not mutually exclusive. Developing your players to the best of their ability is a good way to go about winning the cup

Obviously they want to win it.. but it strikes me as a goal not the sole purpose for playing rugby.. hence why so many continue post school in club rugby

allaboutrugby

Clongowes look to be a serious team this year. Have only lost one game this season

FrannoFan

irishfan9 wrote: »

Obviously they want to win it.. but it strikes me as a goal not the sole purpose for playing rugby.. hence why so many continue post school in club rugby

True. Agree with what you are saying.

I think people on these threads forget that these are schools who have so many pupils of various abilities and have more than a cup as a goal. Sport being a brilliant outlet for mental health, general well being, camaraderie etc. There are so many schools participating year on year with no realistic chance of wining etc but still do it.

All that said i have no doubt there are people in michaels scratching their head trying to figure out how the hell they will win another cup and it becoming something of a monkey on their back again!

Ally Bren 92

irishfan9 wrote: »

Its not all about winning the cup at michaels which is to be admired..

Michaels tend to play as individuals aswell.their attitude doesn’t help with their arrogance

D14Rugby

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

Michaels tend to play as individuals aswell.their attitude doesn’t help with their arrogance

Can you give one example to support that?

irishfan9

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

Michaels tend to play as individuals aswell.their attitude doesn’t help with their arrogance

:rolleyes: