Schools Rugby 2017 2018 Thread SEE MOD WARNING POST #1773

irishfan9

Temple Carrig versus Roscrea today in junior league semi

urbanchick

irishfan9 wrote: »

St Gerard’s: Max O’Reilly; Morgan Freeley, Oliver Haydock, Cormac Foley, Paddy Opperman; David O’Brien (Ben Watson ht), Jack O’Caoimh; David Carroll, Robert Byrne (Isaac Philips 65), Adam O’Reilly (Jack Dempsey 23), Daniel McGovern, Donal Ahern, Charles Byrne, Ethan Baxter (capt, Jack Maughan 45), Rory Wilson.

Castleknock: Benedict Culliton; Daire Turley, Jones Khan, Jamie McGaley (capt), Luke McMenamin; Cian Egenton, Louis McDonough (Thomas Cahill-Hannigan 65); Sean Picard (Matthew Holton 64), Stephen Quinn (Evan Chester 63), Stephen Callinan (Kieran McMenamin 60), Max Mellet, Daniel Waldron, Ciaran McCarrick, Adam Corcoran, Cian Clancy.

Bold = capped by Leinster

Louis McDonagh at 9 for Knock is a 4th year, as is Stephen Callinan and Ciaran McCarrick.

no 4th year in Gerards team afaik.

Seems 3 big matches ( two of which were hugely physically challenging against Roscrea) within two weeks was just too much for knock: Gerards looked rested and ready: advantage was to gerards.

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

He was knocked out he shouldn't play rugby again for a month minimum

Why wouldn’t he be allowed play rugby for a month ? 23 days maybe yeah getting knocked out is treated no different to any other concussion symptoms

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Why wouldn’t he be allowed play rugby for a month ? 23 days maybe yeah getting knocked out is treated no different to any other concussion symptoms

because brain injury in a teenager is a serious issue.. 23 days isn't long enough in my opinion.

irishfan9

4th years who have featured in league semi finals:

Stephen Callinan(Castleknock/Prop)
Ciaran McCarrick(Castleknock/Backrow)
Conor McGroary(Newbridge/Backrow)
Louis McDonagh(Castleknock/Scrumhalf)
Sam Cahill(Newbridge/Outhalf)
Arthur Henry(Gonzaga/Centre)
Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Centre)
Donal Conroy(Newbridge/Fullback)

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

MDunne14 wrote: »

Why wouldn’t he be allowed play rugby for a month ? 23 days maybe yeah getting knocked out is treated no different to any other concussion symptoms

because brain injury in a teenager is a serious issue.. 23 days isn't long enough in my opinion.

The brain recovers quickly and he was will undergo 14 days of absolutely no exercise to let it recover and then ease into running and training drills for 2-3 days and back in contact after 23 .. it’s enouhh time and has been looked at by neurologists who have agreed the protocols are fine

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

The brain recovers quickly and he was will undergo 14 days of absolutely no exercise to let it recover and then ease into running and training drills for 2-3 days and back in contact after 23 .. it’s enouhh time and has been looked at by neurologists who have agreed the protocols are fine

the brain recovers quickly from concussion?? :eek:

urbanchick

MDunne14 wrote: »

Why wouldn’t he be allowed play rugby for a month ? 23 days maybe yeah getting knocked out is treated no different to any other concussion symptoms

He’d have to be out for 23 Days, he was out cold after collision for a good few minutes, hopefully he will be back for cup, but you just never know with rugby, as we all know every game is potentially your last.

FrannoFan

irishfan9 wrote: »

because brain injury in a teenager is a serious issue.. 23 days isn't long enough in my opinion.

Nice to have a neuro surgeon on the forum!

23 days is the obligatory gap for schools rugby. Then they follow return to play protocols etc and it can be longer if needed.

there is no straightforward medical test for concussion at present. Look at all the research going into it in American Football.

irishfan9

FrannoFan wrote: »

Nice to have a neuro surgeon on the forum!

23 days is the obligatory gap for schools rugby. Then they follow return to play protocols etc and it can be longer if needed.

there is no straightforward medical test for concussion at present. Look at all the research going into it in American Football.

my point exactly, no one knows the long term consequences so in my opinion if a teenager is knock unconscious, extreme precautions should be taken when returning to contact.

anyway back to rugby

prawnsambo

irishfan9 wrote: »

my point exactly, no one knows the long term consequences so in my opinion if a teenager is knock unconscious, extreme precautions should be taken when returning to contact.

Yes. So saying a month or any other timescale is pointless. The most important thing is to monitor the situation.

Granny15

Any word on "Top 6" SCT games this weekend?

irishfan9

Michaels don't have a game until the 23rd.
While Rock play Ballymena.

Granny15

Belvo Nure Marys?

Quin_Dub

irishfan9 wrote: »

my point exactly, no one knows the long term consequences so in my opinion if a teenager is knock unconscious, extreme precautions should be taken when returning to contact.

anyway back to rugby

Here's the policy


Minimum 14 Day stand-down , with an 8 day return to play protocol - 23 Days in total.

irishfan9

Evan Murphy, Munster clubs captain has made one of the u18 squads.

irishfan9

Speaking of Ethan Baxter he was very impressive for Leinster schools last september where he played both openside and hooker... long term as a hooker he is a very exciting prospect IMO.

irishfan9

What my current u18 leinster schools team would likely look like:

1. Cian Duffy(Blackrock)
2. Ethan Baxter(Gerards)
3. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock)
4. Ryan Baird(Michaels)
5. Cian Prendergast(Newbridge)
6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes)
7. Jody Booth(Michaels)
8. Ed Brennan(Blackrock)
9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bray)
10. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray)
11. Andrew Smith(Michaels)
12. James Reynolds(CBC)
13. Ross McInnes(Terenure)
14. Tom Maher(Blackrock)
15. Sam Dardis(Terenure)

Iloveunion

irishfan9 wrote: »

Speaking of Ethan Baxter he was very impressive for Leinster schools last september where he played both openside and hooker... long term as a hooker he is a very exciting prospect IMO.

He is unfortunately shadowed by his superb, hard to fault, teammate foley in the Leinster article and didn't get the credit due however he was also "top try scorer for his province" quote Tony ward

Iloveunion

irishfan9 wrote: »

What my current u18 leinster schools team would likely look like:

1. Cian Duffy(Blackrock)
2. Ethan Baxter(Gerards)
3. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock)
4. Ryan Baird(Michaels)
5. Cian Prendergast(Newbridge)
6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes)
7. Jody Booth(Michaels)
8. Ed Brennan(Blackrock)
9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bray)
10. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray)
11. Andrew Smith(Michaels)
12. James Reynolds(CBC)
13. Ross McInnes(Terenure)
14. Tom Maher(Blackrock)
15. Sam Dardis(Terenure)

no feature from Chris Cosgrave, Max O'Reilly, Jack Cooke...some stand out players through out interpros and performing well within their school teams?

Stephen Hawkins football boots

irishfan9 wrote: »

What my current u18 leinster schools team would likely look like:

1. Cian Duffy(Blackrock)
2. Ethan Baxter(Gerards)
3. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock)
4. Ryan Baird(Michaels)
5. Cian Prendergast(Newbridge)
6. Anthony Ryan(Clongowes)
7. Jody Booth(Michaels)
8. Ed Brennan(Blackrock)
9. Ben Murphy(Pres Bray)
10. Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray)
11. Andrew Smith(Michaels)
12. James Reynolds(CBC)
13. Ross McInnes(Terenure)
14. Tom Maher(Blackrock)
15. Sam Dardis(Terenure)

No Belvo players you rate? What about at u19?

irishfan9

Iloveunion wrote: »

no feature from Chris Cosgrave, Max O'Reilly, Jack Cooke...some stand out players through out interpros and performing well within their school teams?

Cosgrave an under-17.
Rate others over the other two at the moment.

irishfan9

Stephen Hawkins football boots wrote: »

No Belvo players you rate? What about at u19?

Not at u18 at the moment..

Hawkshaw and Byron at u19 level, maybe Sam Barry on the wing too.

Imhof Tank

Roscrea 32 Temple Carrig 29 in a 10 try thriller junior league semi.
Thats means a Castleknock Roscrea final

Wondering about chances of Temple upsetting against Clongowes in the cup.

irishfan9

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Roscrea 32 Temple Carrig 29 in a 10 try thriller junior league semi.
Thats means a Castleknock Roscrea final

Wondering about chances of Temple upsetting against Clongowes in the cup.

Seems like temple be here to stay going forward.

milosh

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Roscrea 32 Temple Carrig 29 in a 10 try thriller junior league semi.
Thats means a Castleknock Roscrea final

Wondering about chances of Temple upsetting against Clongowes in the cup.

Hard to believe Roscrea made the final. They lost their first three league games losing badly to Pres Bray, CUS and Roscrea. Great turnaround. Temple Carrig will be kicking themselves. By all accounts Tempe Carrig were completely in control up to half time before imploding.

It will be interesting to see what the future holds for them. No pitches of their own and dependent on the use of the rugby club which is decent distance from the school. Hopefully they can keep it going.

Will they enter the Senior League next year? Hopefully they do as I fear St Fintan's might not be around based on their Junior results and with Andrews on the slide (already out of the Junior league this year) and CUS withdrawing for two years in a row the competition needs a few new sustainable schools.

FellasFellas

milosh wrote: »

Hard to believe Roscrea made the final. They lost their first three league games losing badly to Pres Bray, CUS and Roscrea. Great turnaround. Temple Carrig will be kicking themselves. By all accounts Tempe Carrig were completely in control up to half time before imploding.

It will be interesting to see what the future holds for them. No pitches of their own and dependent on the use of the rugby club which is decent distance from the school. Hopefully they can keep it going.

Will they enter the Senior League next year? Hopefully they do as I fear St Fintan's might not be around based on their Junior results and with Andrews on the slide (already out of the Junior league this year) and CUS withdrawing for two years in a row the competition needs a few new sustainable schools.

Their 4th years winning a Godfrey last year and then this years crop getting to a semi is excellent progress, but you never know. Maybe entering 1B would be the way forward as they only will have 4th and 5th years.

The Lost Sheep

milosh wrote: »

Hard to believe Roscrea made the final. They lost their first three league games losing badly to Pres Bray, CUS and Roscrea. Great turnaround. Temple Carrig will be kicking themselves. By all accounts Tempe Carrig were completely in control up to half time before imploding.

It will be interesting to see what the future holds for them. No pitches of their own and dependent on the use of the rugby club which is decent distance from the school. Hopefully they can keep it going.

Will they enter the Senior League next year? Hopefully they do as I fear St Fintan's might not be around based on their Junior results and with Andrews on the slide (already out of the Junior league this year) and CUS withdrawing for two years in a row the competition needs a few new sustainable schools.

Not that hard to believe. Roscrea unlike other schools wouldnt have done as much work as other schools early in the season considering their a boarding school and less likely to have done much work together over the season.
I dont see TC not having pitches of their own being an issue as it will be just like many schools in other sports as well as some other schools in Munster/Connacht and they play wherever possible and work well with the local rugby clubs.

FellasFellas wrote: »

Their 4th years winning a Godfrey last year and then this years crop getting to a semi is excellent progress, but you never know. Maybe entering 1B would be the way forward as they only will have 4th and 5th years.

Their 4th years from this year competed in a transition year league group with Clongowes, Roscrea and did quite well.
Entering 1B league next year probably would be best option for next year at senior level

FrannoFan

Match report of the game. Sounds like a cracker.

https://www.leinsterrugby.ie/cistercian-college-defeat-temple-carrig/

Rugby boi

Anything on the Leinster Schools u18 coach being announced or any names being thrown out ?

The Lost Sheep

Rugby boi wrote: »

Anything on the Leinster Schools u18 coach being announced or any names being thrown out ?

A coach wont be announced anywhere officially until next summer unless its a schools coach and the school itself announce it.
No need to announce it now anyway

irishfan9

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

A coach wont be announced anywhere officially until next summer unless its a schools coach and the school itself announce it.
No need to announce it now anyway

It will be chosen way sooner than that it

The Lost Sheep

irishfan9 wrote: »

It will be chosen way sooner than that it

Did i say it wouldnt?
It will but wont necessarily be announced anywhere that early

FellasFellas

Andy Skehan is the word on the street.

irishfan9

My current u19 leinster schools side:

1. Michael Gleeson(Gonzaga)
2. Sean Molony(Blackrock)
3. Michael Milne(Roscrea)
4. Eoin Buggy(Gonzaga)
5. Matthew Healy(Michaels)
6. Rudhan Byron(Belvedere)
7. Scott Penny(Michaels)
8. Dan O'Donovan(Michaels)
9. Cormac Foley(Gerards)
10. David Hawkshaw(Belvedere)
11. Adam La Grue(Terenure)
12. David Ryan(Michaels)
13. Brian O'Donnell(Gonzaga)
14. Liam Turner(Blackrock)
15. Darragh Kelly(Fintans)

irishfan9

FellasFellas wrote: »

Andy Skehan is the word on the street.

given his strong ties to Michaels it opens himself up to accusations of bias, but nature of schools rugby I guess with Smyth in charge of academy etc.

irishfan9

The best back playing in all of schools rugby is probably Sean French(PBC)

Ally Bren 92

irishfan9 wrote: »

The best back playing in all of schools rugby is probably Sean French(PBC)

David Ryan also

irishfan9

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

David Ryan also

rank him behind French.. Hawkshaw and French are the top two backs in Ireland IMO.

Granny15

FellasFellas wrote: »

Andy Skehan is the word on the street.

He has to get past an SCT quarter final first.

Let's see how he does this year.

irishfan9

Granny15 wrote: »

He has to get past an SCT quarter final first.

Let's see how he does this year.

well seeing the primary role of leinser u18 schools coach is to develop players.. and michaels record of doing that under skehan..

Granny15

irishfan9 wrote: »

well seeing the primary role of leinser u18 schools coach is to develop players.. and michaels record of doing that under skehan..

Many of those players came through under Greg McWilliams not Skehan and even at that the groundwork was laid for an influx of players to come through before McWilliams.

It's the result of years of work going back to the 70's 80's andf 90's and the development programmes in Michaels. To put Skehan through on the back of all that is presumptuous.

irishfan9

Granny15 wrote: »

Many of those players came through under Greg McWilliams not Skehan and even at that the groundwork was laid for an influx of players to come through before McWilliams.

It's the result of years of work going back to the 70's 80's andf 90's and the development programmes in Michaels. To put Skehan through on the back of all that is presumptuous.

did i claim it was all Skehan's doing?

McWilliams hasn't been in school in 5+ years, he deserves huge credit but at this stage other coaches do too.

Ether way no point in discussing it with you.

Granny15

irishfan9 wrote: »

did i claim it was all Skehan's doing?

McWilliams hasn't been in school in 5+ years, he deserves huge credit but at this stage other coaches do too.

Ether way no point in discussing it with you.

No I won't go into it further.

urbanchick

irishfan9 wrote: »

given his strong ties to Michaels it opens himself up to accusations of bias, but nature of schools rugby I guess with Smyth in charge of academy etc.

Bias? Leinster? Never!!!!!

irishfan9

urbanchick wrote: »

Bias? Leinster? Never!!!!!

nature of schools rugby.

prawnsambo

Granny15 wrote: »

Many of those players came through under Greg McWilliams not Skehan and even at that the groundwork was laid for an influx of players to come through before McWilliams.

It's the result of years of work going back to the 70's 80's andf 90's and the development programmes in Michaels. To put Skehan through on the back of all that is presumptuous.

The 70s? St Michael's only had its first Leaving Certificate class in 1975. Before that and only since 1968 it only educated to Intermediate Cert (Junior Cert level). It was originally a feeder school for Blackrock.

urbanchick

irishfan9 wrote: »

nature of schools rugby.

Borderline corrupt!

irishfan9

urbanchick wrote: »

Borderline corrupt!

in regards to what exactly?

irishfan9

prawnsambo wrote: »

The 70s? St Michael's only had its first Leaving Certificate class in 1975. Before that and only since 1968 it only educated to Intermediate Cert (Junior Cert level). It was originally a feeder school for Blackrock.

don't get him started please.