Schools Rugby 2017 2018 Thread SEE MOD WARNING POST #1773

Ayewserious

FellasFellas wrote: »

Andy Skehan is the word on the street.

Hardly doing a stellar job with ucd..

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Hardly doing a stellar job with ucd..

given huge disruption to team it's a pretty tough job..

mcnamara didn't do too great either when he was in charge.

Granny15

prawnsambo wrote: »

The 70s? St Michael's only had its first Leaving Certificate class in 1975. Before that and only since 1968 it only educated to Intermediate Cert (Junior Cert level). It was originally a feeder school for Blackrock.

Yes I know our history and whats your point? The longer a school history the better its results?

I think we can see from school like Castleknock that having an illustrious history doesn't guarantee success. The last 15-20 years are all that counts.

irishfan9

Granny15 wrote: »

Yes I know our history and whats your point? The longer a school history the better its results?

I think we can see from school like Castleknock that having an illustrious history doesn't guarantee success. The last 5-10 years are all that counts.

you've literally argued differently on here in the last week.

Granny15

irishfan9 wrote: »

you've literally argued differently on here in the last week.

What do you think I said?

I've argued Castleknock should be top 3 all time up to the 90's but that changed by 2 schools surpassing it.

Obviously I was referring to all time rankings not the most recent Cup year.

prawnsambo

Granny15 wrote: »

Yes I know our history and whats your point? The longer a school history the better its results?

I think we can see from school like Castleknock that having an illustrious history doesn't guarantee success. The last 15-20 years are all that counts.

Pretty much the opposite to what you said in the post I replied to. Did you even read it?

Never mind. I see I've fallen down the rabbit hole.

Granny15

prawnsambo wrote: »

Pretty much the opposite to what you said in the post I replied to. Did you even read it?

Never mind. I see I've fallen down the rabbit hole.

REsults count in the last 5-10 years for rankings purposes.

The ground work that goes into getting those results can go back 15-20-30 years.

There is no contradiction there in what I said.

Noscrumnowin

Blackrock V Roscrea 12 pm Donnybrook tomorrow

The Lost Sheep

Granny15 wrote: »

REsults count in the last 5-10 years for rankings purposes.

The ground work that goes into getting those results can go back 15-20-30 years.

There is no contradiction there in what I said.

That isnt really true for age grade rugby. 20/30 years ago has nothing to do with now.

Noscrumnowin

2013 & 14 Rock Sct’s produced Garry Ringrose (Leinster), Joey Carbery (Leinster), Oliver Jager (Crusaders), Nick Timoney (Ulster), Jack Power (Leinster Academy) Dream team mark 3 surely (95, 09 other dream teams)

irishfan9

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

2013 & 14 Rock Sct’s produced Garry Ringrose (Leinster), Joey Carbery (Leinster), Oliver Jager (Crusaders), Nick Timoney (Ulster), Jack Power (Leinster Academy) Dream team mark 3 surely (95, 09 other dream teams)

Michaels 2012 - Dan Leavy, Rory O'Loughlin, Ross Molony, Denis Coulson, Nick McCarthy, Ross Byrne, Josh Murphy, Cian Kelleher, Adam Leavy.

Michaels 2013 - Ross Molony, Denis Coulson, Nick McCarthy, Ross Byrne, Josh Murphy, Cian Kelleher, Adam Leavy, James Ryan, Max Deegan.

Carbery went to rock for 1 year...

MDunne14

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

2013 & 14 Rock Sct’s produced Garry Ringrose (Leinster), Joey Carbery (Leinster), Oliver Jager (Crusaders), Nick Timoney (Ulster), Jack Power (Leinster Academy) Dream team mark 3 surely (95, 09 other dream teams)

Ringrose was the year before! Worth noting that team had potentially best schools back row ever 6 caelan Doris (academy) 7 Conor Oliver (Munster seniors) 8 timoney (ulster)

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Ringrose was the year before! Worth noting that team had potentially best schools back row ever 6 caelan Doris (academy) 7 Conor Oliver (Munster seniors) 8 timoney (ulster)

Jager was year before too.

Oliver another poach.

The Lost Sheep

Munchins beat the Comp in the Markets Field in Herbert/Conneally trophy game tonight
http://limerickrugby.ie/st-munchins-win-inaugural-herbertconneally-cup-final/

Noscrumnowin

irishfan9 wrote: »

Michaels 2012 - Dan Leavy, Rory O'Loughlin, Ross Molony, Denis Coulson, Nick McCarthy, Ross Byrne, Josh Murphy, Cian Kelleher, Adam Leavy.

Michaels 2013 - Ross Molony, Denis Coulson, Nick McCarthy, Ross Byrne, Josh Murphy, Cian Kelleher, Adam Leavy, James Ryan, Max Deegan.

Carbery went to rock for 1 year...

Wasn’t comparing to other schools just within Rock years past, all great having lists of players but at the end of the day it’s about the name on the cup

The Lost Sheep

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

Wasn’t comparing to other schools just within Rock years past, all great having lists of players but at the end of the day it’s about the name on the cup

To some extent it is but its also about how many progress and continue to play rugby into adult hood be it at pro level or junior4/metro 10 level

Rugby boi

Anyone know anything on dates For first round , Fintans Facebook is claiming there game is the 1st of February, need to know dates ASAP for work arrangements , preferably for belvo and knock game

Noscrumnowin

Rock 47-10 Roscrea
Try’s for Rock; Mick Mcgagh, Ed Brennan, Gavin Jones, Jack Loscher x 2, James Burke (try of the year I’ve seen so far beautiful out the back door offloaf from Luke Mion after a very nice counter attack from a Roscrea kick numerous offloads left Roscrea scratching their heads)

Roscrea; Try 1 (loose head prop), penalty,

Great performance from Rock, game was 3 20’s, Roscrea was 10-7 after first third and Rock just turned the screw and ripped them apart.
Rock team was
1 Lochlann Dougan
2 Luke Mion
3 Thomas Clarkson
4 Sean O’Brien
5 Jack Stapleton (Motm imo)
6 James Burke
7 Michael Mcgagh (stand out)
8 Ed Brennan
9 Harry Donnelly (stand out)
10 James Tarrant
11 David Colgan
12 Gavin Jones
13 Stephen or Rory Madigan
14 Billy Doyle
15 Stephen or Rory Madigan

There were rolling subs throughout

Granny15

Is that Rock Roscrea result JCT?

No sign of Cup dates up on Leinster rugby website yet.

Noscrumnowin

Granny15 wrote: »

Is that Rock Roscrea result JCT?

No sign of Cup dates up on Leinster rugby website yet.

No SCT

Granny15

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

No SCT

How many of their first team were they missing?

Edit: I see you say they were rotating players and it looks as if it was more of a training match.

To put that score on Roscrea is worrying for everyone else.

I still see Roscrea causing problems for teams in the Cup.

Inspector Coptoor

Granny15 wrote: »

Is that Rock Roscrea result JCT?

No sign of Cup dates up on Leinster rugby website yet.

Belvo vs Zaga will be on Sunday 28th January in Donnybrook.
Will be either a 14:30 or 15:00 KO.

irishfan9

Poll is up for 1st game on tele

FellasFellas

BANK OF IRELAND SCHOOLS JUNIOR CUP

1st Round

All KO’s at 3:00 pm (except where otherwise stated)

Sunday 4th February
• St Michael’s College v Blackrock College in Donnybrook

Monday 5th February
• Clongowes Wood College v Temple Carrig School in Donnybrook
• Gonzaga College v Castleknock College in Clontarf FC

Tuesday 6th February
• Newbridge College v St Mary’s College in Donnybrook

Wednesday 7th February
• Catholic University School v Belvedere College in Donnybrook

Thursday 8th February
• CBC Monkstown Park v Father Godfrey Cup Qualifier 1 in Donnybrook (2:00 pm)
• Cistercian College Roscrea v Terenure College in Donnybrook (4:00 pm)
• Father Godfrey Cup Qualifier 2 v St Gerard’s School in venue TBC



BANK OF IRELAND SCHOOLS SENIOR CUP

1st Round

All KO’s at 3:00 pm

Sunday 28th January
• Belvedere College v Gonzaga College in Donnybrook

Monday 29th January
• Terenure College v St Michael’s College in Donnybrook

Tuesday 30th January
• Blackrock College v Castleknock College in Donnybrook

Wednesday 31st January
• Newbridge College v Presentation College, Bray in Donnybrook

Thursday 1st February
• St Fintan’s High School v St Gerard’s School in Donnybrook
• Clongowes Wood College v Vinnie Murray Cup Qualifier 1 in Clontarf FC

Friday 2nd February
• St Mary’s College v St Andrew’s College in Donnybrook
• Vinnie Murray Cup Qualifier 2 v Cistercian College Roscrea in venue TBC

Noscrumnowin

Granny15 wrote: »

How many of their first team were they missing?

Edit: I see you say they were rotating players and it looks as if it was more of a training match.

To put that score on Roscrea is worrying for everyone else.

I still see Roscrea causing problems for teams in the Cup.

No Liam Turner, Sean Moloney, David Fitzgibbon, Cian Duffy, Liam McMahon, Ben White, Ross Barron

They seemed to be resting Liam Turner and Sean molony was due back this week.
Donnacha Mescal played the middle third

irishfan9

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

No Liam Turner, Sean Moloney, David Fitzgibbon, Cian Duffy, Liam McMahon, Ben White, Ross Barron

They seemed to be resting Liam Turner and Sean molony was due back this week.
Donnacha Mescal played the middle third

Tom maher

Rugby boi

Are those dates 100%?

stellenbosch

FellasFellas wrote: »

BANK OF IRELAND SCHOOLS JUNIOR CUP

1st Round

All KO’s at 3:00 pm (except where otherwise stated)

Sunday 4th February
• St Michael’s College v Blackrock College in Donnybrook

Monday 5th February
• Clongowes Wood College v Temple Carrig School in Donnybrook
• Gonzaga College v Castleknock College in Clontarf FC

Tuesday 6th February
• Newbridge College v St Mary’s College in Donnybrook

Wednesday 7th February
• Catholic University School v Belvedere College in Donnybrook

Thursday 8th February
• CBC Monkstown Park v Father Godfrey Cup Qualifier 1 in Donnybrook (2:00 pm)
• Cistercian College Roscrea v Terenure College in Donnybrook (4:00 pm)
• Father Godfrey Cup Qualifier 2 v St Gerard’s School in venue TBC



BANK OF IRELAND SCHOOLS SENIOR CUP

1st Round

All KO’s at 3:00 pm

Sunday 28th January
• Belvedere College v Gonzaga College in Donnybrook

Monday 29th January
• Terenure College v St Michael’s College in Donnybrook

Tuesday 30th January
• Blackrock College v Castleknock College in Donnybrook

Wednesday 31st January
• Newbridge College v Presentation College, Bray in Donnybrook

Thursday 1st February
• St Fintan’s High School v St Gerard’s School in Donnybrook
• Clongowes Wood College v Vinnie Murray Cup Qualifier 1 in Clontarf FC

Friday 2nd February
• St Mary’s College v St Andrew’s College in Donnybrook
• Vinnie Murray Cup Qualifier 2 v Cistercian College Roscrea in venue TBC

CBC Monkstown SCT beat Nure 32-12 this morning

Dev5976

stellenbosch wrote: »

CBC Monkstown SCT beat Nure 32-12 this morning

Wonder what sort of team Terenure put out for that? Whilst CBC have some good players no doubt, that kind of result doesn’t really fit

irishfan9

Nure a perennial underachivers

Granny15

irishfan9 wrote: »

Nure a perennial underachivers

Why?

Marcdunne

Looks like it's going to be st fintans vs st Gerard's being broadcasted live on eir sport.Its some spectacule with two top sides with quality backs but think Gerard's will notch it

D14Rugby

Dev5976 wrote: »

Wonder what sort of team Terenure put out for that? Whilst CBC have some good players no doubt, that kind of result doesn’t really fit

Very few normal 1st XV starting players playing apparently, still poor result for them.

On a side note though CBC's new kit is a beauty.

Rugby boi

Let’s be realistic here , showing gerrads and fintans is a bit of a farce , I know it’s a vote and all but , two excellent games in Michaels nure and zaga belvo not being shown isn’t great for the cup , never liked fintans for all the sh/t3 they put up on social media making themselves out to be something there not, hope gerrads hockey them!!

The Lost Sheep

Rugby boi wrote: »

Let’s be realistic here, showing gerrads and fintans is a bit of a farce, I know it’s a vote and all but, two excellent games in Michaels nure and zaga belvo not being shown isn’t great for the cup, never liked fintans for all the sh/t3 they put up on social media making themselves out to be something there not, hope gerrads hockey them!!

Nonsense post.
Its a public vote to help build promo around the tournament(not that the cup needs the extra promo as it gets enough already)
There will always be a potential game or two that could be excellent not shown in the first round when only one is shown and nothing wrong with Fintans putting up plenty of social media. Its just the same as any other school and what they put up on social media.

Rugby boi

Fintans overstep the mark regarding social media , the only team I know of the top of my head who kind of do the same thing are Michaels and there not as intense, it just pisses me off severely that a school who yes fair play to them have got this far in Fintans get the chance to be on tv and waste 2 excellent other games for a match which we basically know the winner of already, guarante Fintans won’t be heard of rugby wise in 5 years

The Lost Sheep

Rugby boi wrote: »

Fintans overstep the mark regarding social media, the only team I know of the top of my head who kind of do the same thing are Michaels and there not as intense, it just pisses me off severely that a school who yes fair play to them have got this far in Fintans get the chance to be on tv and waste 2 excellent other games for a match which we basically know the winner of already, guarante Fintans won’t be heard of rugby wise in 5 years

:rolleyes:....:pac:
So arrogant to say they wont be heard of rugby wise in any time. They havent over stepped the mark in social media. Michaels cover way more on their social media so how are they not as intense?
Their is only 1 game shown in round 1 and no game is wasted not being shown. And we dont at all know the winner already of the game...

Rugby boi

It’s a school boy competition and just to repeat my point from a few weeks ago remember there video last year after beating knock , completely unfair SCHOOLBOY , by rights social media should be scrapped like the odds , trust me I’ve seen Fintans play this year they don’t have much to offer and gerrads are a very exciting team potential semi finalists

urbanchick

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

:rolleyes:....:pac:
So arrogant to say they wont be heard of rugby wise in any time. They havent over stepped the mark in social media. Michaels cover way more on their social media so how are they not as intense?
Their is only 1 game shown in round 1 and no game is wasted not being shown. And we dont at all know the winner already of the game...

I agree with rugby boi and they completely overstepped the realms of common decency last year : they really aren’t that good this year.

Gavin4

Best of luck to fintan's and Gerard's if that is the televised match but have to say I found it strange that there was no option of voting for the belvedere (winners x2 on the trot) and gonzaga ( league finalists and last year semi) match

Anyway hoping for a good league final between 2 equally matched exciting teams on Thursday Gerard's v Gonzaga

Dev5976

Gavin4 wrote: »

Best of luck to fintan's and Gerard's if that is the televised match but have to say I found it strange that there was no option of voting for the belvedere (winners x2 on the trot) and gonzaga ( league finalists and last year semi) match

Anyway hoping for a good league final between 2 equally matched exciting teams on Thursday Gerard's v Gonzaga

Belvo - Gonzaga is the Sunday match, so not an option with the television scheduling already in place I would guess.

simplyafan

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

:rolleyes:....:pac:
So arrogant to say they wont be heard of rugby wise in any time. They havent over stepped the mark in social media. Michaels cover way more on their social media so how are they not as intense?
Their is only 1 game shown in round 1 and no game is wasted not being shown. And we dont at all know the winner already of the game...

I absolutely agree that it is unfair to say that Fintans will not be heard of in 5 years time and I hope they will play a part in schoolboy rugby for years to come....In relation to 'not overstepping the mark on social media' however I simply can't agree....The post that went viral did not reflect what happened over 70 mins and it was in no way fair to the players and coaching staff of Castleknock....having to live with the memory of what happened in Sutton that day and the disappointment of the exiting the league prematurely was more than enough for the players to have to put up with.....to have it blasted across social media was naive and contrary to the respect that most teams have for each other and for schoolboy rugby.....Ultimately Castleknock regained some solace when they comfortably beat Fintans in the league ( a win that was only bettered by the Newdbridge result against Fintans .... when (in my opinion)it looked like Fintans were more motivated by avoiding a trip to Roscrea than winning a league match!!!)

D14Rugby

Somebodys just told me that St Andrews juniors played in 1B this year. When did that happen? That's not good news for a school that seemed to be building something rugby wise in recent years.

The Lost Sheep

simplyafan wrote: »

I absolutely agree that it is unfair to say that Fintans will not be heard of in 5 years time and I hope they will play a part in schoolboy rugby for years to come....In relation to 'not overstepping the mark on social media' however I simply can't agree....The post that went viral did not reflect what happened over 70 mins and it was in no way fair to the players and coaching staff of Castleknock....having to live with the memory of what happened in Sutton that day and the disappointment of the exiting the league prematurely was more than enough for the players to have to put up with.....to have it blasted across social media was naive and contrary to the respect that most teams have for each other and for schoolboy rugby.....Ultimately Castleknock regained some solace when they comfortably beat Fintans in the league ( a win that was only bettered by the Newdbridge result against Fintans .... when (in my opinion)it looked like Fintans were more motivated by avoiding a trip to Roscrea than winning a league match!!!)

The whole of schools rugby goes ott in terms of media coverage and nothing fintans have done is really that bad overall in terms of schools rugby. Theyre promoting themselves just like many other schools.

D14Rugby wrote: »

Somebodys just told me that St Andrews juniors played in 1B this year. When did that happen? That's not good news for a school that seemed to be building something rugby wise in recent years.

Think it was this season so could change soon enough. isnt the worst thing if they can drop down regroup and build again

simplyafan

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The whole of schools rugby goes ott in terms of media coverage and nothing fintans have done is really that bad overall in terms of schools rugby. Theyre promoting themselves just like many other schools.
Think it was this season so could change soon enough. isnt the worst thing if they can drop down regroup and build again

Not sure I would agree that the whole of schools rugby goes ott in terms of media coverage .... promoting themselves is not the issue it's the way it was portrayed and the ensuing (albeit unintentional) dig at another schoolboy team who simply didn't deserve to see it go viral across that particular medium.....matches are always videoed but normally for team and coaches consumption....I don't believe for a second that there was anything malicious about the post but I do believe it was naive....I wish Fintans all the best against Gerard's in the Cup and despite Fintans only losing 25 - 28 to Gerards in the league I suspect that Gerards will go in favourites...Looks like we will be able to watch it on tv anyway so I hope it's an entertaining spectacle and a good advertisement for schools rugby..

Noscrumnowin

Rugby boi wrote: »

Let’s be realistic here , showing gerrads and fintans is a bit of a farce , I know it’s a vote and all but , two excellent games in Michaels nure and zaga belvo not being shown isn’t great for the cup , never liked fintans for all the sh/t3 they put up on social media making themselves out to be something there not, hope gerrads hockey them!!

As a fan I would much rather watch either of the two games mentioned than the dead ruberer that is Gerard’s v Fintans

Noscrumnowin

The only reason I heard about the vote is on here for schools like Belvo and Zaga etc who do their talking on the pitch and not social media it’s hard to hear about the vote and therefore gives an advantage to the other schools

The Lost Sheep

simplyafan wrote: »

Not sure I would agree that the whole of schools rugby goes ott in terms of media coverage .... promoting themselves is not the issue it's the way it was portrayed and the ensuing (albeit unintentional) dig at another schoolboy team who simply didn't deserve to see it go viral across that particular medium.....matches are always videoed but normally for team and coaches consumption....I don't believe for a second that there was anything malicious about the post but I do believe it was naive....I wish Fintans all the best against Gerard's in the Cup and despite Fintans only losing 25 - 28 to Gerards in the league I suspect that Gerards will go in favourites...Looks like we will be able to watch it on tv anyway so I hope it's an entertaining spectacle and a good advertisement for schools rugby..

It very much is when you compare it to other sports and what fintans did is similar/same as what many other schools do in terms of coverage

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

As a fan I would much rather watch either of the two games mentioned than the dead ruberer that is Gerard’s v Fintans

But many others feel different and Gerards Fintans cant be a dead rubber...

irishfan9

7 exiles picked for the training camp (Ireland u18)
Patrick Harris (Prop/Henley College/Wasps Rugby)
Chris Moore (Backrow/Beechen Cliff School)
Joshua Dunne (Backrow/Denstone College/Nottingham)
Michael Cooke (Outhalf/Sedbergh School/London Irish)
Joe Henry (Centre/Wellington College)
Hayden Hyde (Back 3/Cranleigh School/Harlequins Rugby)
Oran McNulty (Back 3/Millfield School/Bath Rugby)

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

7 exiles picked for the training camp (Ireland u18)
Patrick Harris (Prop/Henley College/Wasps Rugby)
Chris Moore (Backrow/Beechen Cliff School)
Joshua Dunne (Backrow/Denstone College/Nottingham)
Michael Cooke (Outhalf/Sedbergh School/London Irish)
Joe Henry (Centre/Wellington College)
Hayden Hyde (Back 3/Cranleigh School/Harlequins Rugby)
Oran McNulty (Back 3/Millfield School/Bath Rugby)

Is there a full list of the training camp?