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Ally Bren 92

Union123 wrote: »

I disagree, televising a game with small rugby schools like fintains and Gerard's is the perfect incentive for younger players to stick at the game and further develop rugby in their schools

I get your point pal but maybe EIR should have broadcasted other games too.

irishfan9

all cup games should be televised

easy peasy

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

There is only one game in first round and its lucky enough that schools rugby games in leinster get the coverage it gets.
Its very hard to say certain games will be more exciting/better.
And schools rugby doesnt need to worry about promotion. It gets over promoted compared to other sports and other areas of underage rugby already

Its got nothing to do with luck. There is a demand for coverage, hence why there are matches on television.

The schools competitions has long been the supplier in chief to the provinces and more importantly, the national team. Rugby fans generally want to see the next wave of talent.

Of course it needs promotion, its all about growing the game. And god knows how you can say it is over promoted. It has 8 games shown on a ppv channel over a six week period, generally at 3pm on a week day. Compare this to the minor championships, which has year round advertising on our national broadcaster, as well as live radio and televised games.

The Lost Sheep

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

I get your point pal but maybe EIR should have broadcasted other games too.

Either they dont want to/leinster dont want them to.
I would rather them to provide some coverage of youths rugby semis/finals as well as more games in other provinces

Rugby123innow

Standouts
Foley motm
Hickey unbelievable
Baxter brilliant as expect
Kelly very good

The Lost Sheep

FrannoFan wrote: »

Clongowes beat KH 19-21
Belvo beat gonzaga by a point
Castleknock put it up to rock for 45 mins

I wondered about the quality of the league this year. If there was a high standard of equally matched league teams or a big gulf. I think the results show there isn't an enormous gap and the quality across the competition is very good.

The 20's this year has a lot of good sides across prem1 and prem2 which shows lads are playing and raising the standard there after school.

All looks very positive from a leinster rugby perspective.
The usual teams will probably contest the final but good to see all the same.

League is showing importance of playing regular competitive games. Something some of the big 6 would really benefit from.

easy peasy wrote: »

Its got nothing to do with luck. There is a demand for coverage, hence why there are matches on television.

The schools competitions has long been the supplier in chief to the provinces and more importantly, the national team. Rugby fans generally want to see the next wave of talent.

Of course it needs promotion, its all about growing the game. And god knows how you can say it is over promoted. It has 8 games shown on a ppv channel over a six week period, generally at 3pm on a week day. Compare this to the minor championships, which has year round advertising on our national broadcaster, as well as live radio and televised games.

It is due to luck. The schools are main supplier in some provinces and showing the rugby schools isnt exactly growing the game.
It very much is over promoted compared to other sports and even other sections of age grade rugby. Compare media coverage in tv and the papers to coverage of gaa/soccer/basketball?
Minor championships are representative sides completely different to schools.

Rugbyf565

Where did it go wrong for Fintans? Considering that their size is a bigger and have 4 leinsters?

Tarf1234

Rugbyf565 wrote: »

Where did it go wrong for Fintans? Considering that their size is a bigger and have 4 leinsters?

Tight 5 bigger and maybe better - backrow miles off. That to me was the telling difference. Didn't get the chance to use Kelly and McGiff enough to do anything.

Conchir

Rugbyf565 wrote: »

Where did it go wrong for Fintans? Considering that their size is a bigger and have 4 leinsters?

I wouldn't suggest it was the main problem, but massive issues with the lineout didn't help.

Noscrumnowin

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Either they dont want to/leinster dont want them to.
I would rather them to provide some coverage of youths rugby semis/finals as well as more games in other provinces

Realistically there is absolutely no market for non Leinster/ munster schools cup on tv and on the Gerard’s/ Fintans tbing sure they weren’t the two best teams in it but there was a vote and they won you can’t really complain all the big schools will be on tv in the next round and it gives smaller schools there 5 mins of fame

D14Rugby

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

Realistically there is absolutely no market for non Leinster/ munster schools cup on tv and on the Gerard’s/ Fintans tbing sure they weren’t the two best teams in it but there was a vote and they won you can’t really complain all the big schools will be on tv in the next round and it gives smaller schools there 5 mins of fame

There's no market for any non children's show at 3pm on a weekday. The schools rugby is good "supporting grassroots rugby" publicity, and gets eir all over social media for the next week of so.

The Lost Sheep

Noscrumnowin wrote: »

Realistically there is absolutely no market for non Leinster/ munster schools cup on tv and on the Gerard’s/ Fintans tbing sure they weren’t the two best teams in it but there was a vote and they won you can’t really complain all the big schools will be on tv in the next round and it gives smaller schools there 5 mins of fame

Is there?no market? You sure on that?
Im not complaining about gerards fintans game being selected. More criticising how covering just schools games isnt helping promote sport elsewhere

Noscrumnowin

D14Rugby wrote: »

There's no market for any non children's show at 3pm on a weekday. The schools rugby is good "supporting grassroots rugby" publicity, and gets eir all over social media for the next week of so.

How many youths games are on at 3 pm on a weekday, also there is the cost of having to pay camera men etc when they can just re run a show

FrannoFan

The schools cup is shown because there is an appetite for rugby from the viewing public and the schools game is an unbelievably high standard.

I'm sure club rugby is improving but blackrock etc are well known nationally for their contribution to Irish rugby. I couldn't name the top 2 clubs sides. I'd assume clontarf but wouldn't know who else is good. And I'm a pretty avid rugby fan, your average rugby fan certainly wouldn't know

The Lost Sheep

FrannoFan wrote: »

The schools cup is shown because there is an appetite for rugby from the viewing public and the schools game is an unbelievably high standard.

I'm sure club rugby is improving but blackrock etc are well known nationally for their contribution to Irish rugby. I couldn't name the top 2 clubs sides. I'd assume clontarf but wouldn't know who else is good. And I'm a pretty avid rugby fan, your average rugby fan certainly wouldn't know

Youths game is a far higher standard than you or others would expect. Clontarf wouldnt be near top in terms of age grade.

FrannoFan

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Youths game is a far higher standard than you or others would expect. Clontarf wouldnt be near top in terms of age grade.

That's sort of the point. there arent clubs as well known for rugby in the same way blackrock etc would be known.

The Lost Sheep

FrannoFan wrote: »

That's sort of the point. there arent clubs are well known for rugby in the same way blackrock etc would be known.

There certainly is but clontarf are not a good example. They do field at most age grades(unlike a lot of city clubs) but in terms of underage rugby are not a big club and are far down the rankings.
Anyway this is going off topic.

Ulster 4th round on Saturday. Will we see any upsets?

Rugbyf565

Anyone watch the Clongowes game?

C3PO

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Standouts
Foley motm
Hickey unbelievable
Baxter brilliant as expect
Kelly very good

Baxter motm for me .. Class act!

irishfan9

Rugbyf565 wrote: »

Anyone watch the Clongowes game?

from elsewhere

All over in Tarf.

Clongowes 29 KH 21

To be honest even flatters Clongowes. KH played much the better rugby and missed two very kickable penalties and Clongowes were certainly handed two soft tries against run of play

KH did everything to avoid a much bigger Clongowes pack. Running from own line, different strike moves. Clongowes kept it very simple. Lots of one off stuff and using their 12 (who’s good to be fair)

KH 10 prob best player on pitch bar missed kicks, their 4,7,8 12 and wingers all played really well

Clongowes best player easily their 1. Had a strong game. 2,3,4 and 12 pick of rest.

But wouldn’t see Clongowes doing much off basis of this.

FrannoFan

Rugbyf565 wrote: »

Anyone watch the Clongowes game?

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/clongowes-wood-hold-off-spirited-king-s-hospital-1.3377007

FrannoFan

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-nations/ewan-mackenna-private-schools-and-elite-class-culture-is-why-rugby-will-never-be-embraced-by-country-like-the-gaa-36557141.html

MDunne14

Any idea on roscrea team for tomorrow?

6elieve

Keep an eye out for Mary’s 15 and 14 tomorrow. 😉

Aussie_Bloke

Any thoughts on what the Marys Andrews game will be like? Score ?

Hands Like Flippers

[/QUOTE]

"Ulster 4th round on Saturday. Will we see any upsets?[/quote]"

Dalriada away to Campbell College worth a punt.

Rugby123innow

C3PO wrote: »

Baxter motm for me .. Class act!

Hickey best hooker on the day, don't know why he wasn't throwing? Had a cracking game. Foley or Hickey man of the match for me, hopefully see both of these for Leinster 20s this summer, anyone agree?

Rugby123innow

Conchir wrote: »

I wouldn't suggest it was the main problem, but massive issues with the lineout didn't help.

Hickey should have been throwing, must be problems in the camp if the hooker isn't throwing

Rugby123innow

Top 3 hookers in order
Moloney "Rock"
Hickey "Fintans"
Baxter"Gerards"

irishfan9

Aussie_Bloke wrote: »

Any thoughts on what the Marys Andrews game will be like? Score ?

marys should win by 10

irishfan9

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Hickey best hooker on the day, don't know why he wasn't throwing? Had a cracking game. Foley or Hickey man of the match for me, hopefully see both of these for Leinster 20s this summer, anyone agree?

Baxter wasnt playing hooker.. dont see either making leinster 20s at the moment tho

ALS

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

"Ulster 4th round on Saturday. Will we see any upsets?[/quote]"

Dalriada away to Campbell College worth a punt.[/quote]

C3PO

Anyone know when the draw for quarter finals takes place?

irishfan9

watched the 1st half of fintans gerards last night thought baxter was a clear standout, while Foley was very classy whenever he got the ball.

standard not as good as clongowes fintans last year but no surprise there.

irishfan9

C3PO wrote: »

Anyone know when the draw for quarter finals takes place?

I think it will be today in donnybrook once both games are finished.

Fixtures today:
St Mary's College v St Andrew’s College - Donnybrook
Wesley College v Cistercian College Roscrea - Clontarf

Marys/Roscrea have to be heavy favourites.

irishfan9

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Top 3 hookers in order
Moloney "Rock"
Hickey "Fintans"
Baxter"Gerards"

playing hooker in school?

Molony - Blackrock
Barron - Gonzaga
Sheehan - Clongowes

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irishfan9 wrote: »

I think it will be today in donnybrook once both games are finished.

That is how they have done it for the last few years so I presume it will be the same today

Rugby123innow

irishfan9 wrote: »

playing hooker in school?

Molony - Blackrock
Barron - Gonzaga
Sheehan - Clongowes

Hickey played Barron this year and hickey was the standout on te day. Do not agree there. I have never seen Sheehan play so I can't judge with him but hickey definitely better than Barron

Rugby123innow

irishfan9 wrote: »

playing hooker in school?

Molony - Blackrock
Barron - Gonzaga
Sheehan - Clongowes

Hickey played Barron this year and hickey was the standout on te day. Do not agree there. I have never seen Sheehan play so I can't judge with him but hickey definitely better than Barron

irishfan9

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Hickey played Barron this year and hickey was the standout on te day. Do not agree there. I have never seen Sheehan play so I can't judge with him but hickey definitely better than Barron

on that day maybe, think Barron more likely to make leinster squad.

but neither will.

irishfan9

Is Sean O'Brien athletic enough to play 6?

Rugbyf565

Strong St marys backline expected today.

Stephen Hawkins football boots

@ Irishfan9 what order would you rank the remaining teams and why.Can you give main strength of each team?

Rugby123innow

irishfan9 wrote: »

on that day maybe, think Barron more likely to make leinster squad.

but neither will.

Probably down to the school itself, realistically a 7/10 player for gonzaga will get selected ahead of a 9/10 player from a small school (Fintans)

irishfan9

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Probably down to the school itself, realistically a 7/10 player for gonzaga will get selected ahead of a 9/10 player from a small school (Fintans)

not true.

irishfan9

Marys: Ruairi Shields; Hugo Conway, Ben McDonnell, Timothy MacMahon, Eoin Carey, Sean Bourke, Adam McEvoy; Sean O’Reilly, Gavin O’Brien, Conor McElearney, Sean Heeran, Ian Wickham, Joe Nolan, Harry McSweeney (capt), Niall Hurley.

St Andrew’s: Reece Jordan; Nathan Murphy, Zane McClatchie-Ombima, Patrick Perrem, Luke Hoade; Aaron O’Neill, Daniel James; James Boag, Maqhawe Siqcau, Jack O’Brien, Ben Crowley, Andrew Sullivan (capt), Sam Gleeson, Rory Simington, Stephen Keane.

C3PO

Rugby123innow wrote:

Probably down to the school itself, realistically a 7/10 player for gonzaga will get selected ahead of a 9/10 player from a small school (Fintans)

I'm sorry but that is just not true - if anything I would say that the opposite applies! I have seen a number of players from smaller schools playing representative rugby that I suspected would not have been selected if they had come from one of the big hitting schools! And is Gonzaga much bigger Fintans?

Noscrumnowin

irishfan9 wrote: »

Is Sean O'Brien athletic enough to play 6?

Yes

BlueAndWh1te

irishfan9 wrote: »

Marys: Ruairi Shields; Hugo Conway, Ben McDonnell, Timothy MacMahon, Eoin Carey, Sean Bourke, Adam McEvoy; Sean O’Reilly, Gavin O’Brien, Conor McElearney, Sean Heeran, Ian Wickham, Joe Nolan, Harry McSweeney (capt), Niall Hurley.

St Andrew’s: Reece Jordan; Nathan Murphy, Zane McClatchie-Ombima, Patrick Perrem, Luke Hoade; Aaron O’Neill, Daniel James; James Boag, Maqhawe Siqcau, Jack O’Brien, Ben Crowley, Andrew Sullivan (capt), Sam Gleeson, Rory Simington, Stephen Keane.

Who are the standouts from both teams?

irishfan9

BlueAndWh1te wrote: »

Who are the standouts from both teams?

Shields, McEvoy, Hurley

O'Neill, Keane.