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irishfan9

C3PO wrote: »

I'm going to stick my neck out (wait for the abuse!!) and say that I think Michael's can win the SCT two out of the next three years!

they can win it most years.

I predict their current 4th years(Cosgrave/Boyle/Barron) will win at least 1 senior cup.

C3PO

irishfan9 wrote: »

they can win it most years.

I predict their current 4th years(Cosgrave/Boyle/Barron) will win at least 1 senior cup.

I agree, I think that after getting through the drawn final and then going on to beat Rock comfortably in the replay last year that core will not "bottle" like people suggest Michael's sometimes do!

Having said that they are all young so who knows what will happen over the next few years!

Rugbyfan266

Ayewserious wrote: »

I thought Chris cosgrave was impressive, looked at home playing fullback

Clearly very talented, not quite ready yet imo

irishfan9

Rugbyfan266 wrote: »

Clearly very talented, not quite ready yet imo

ready for what? SCT? Clearly ready.

THFC198

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

Michael’s looked ready to bottle it.
Ref chalked off a try for Clongowes that would have made it 22-20 with 10 mins to go.

Pretty sure the score was 22-6 when that try was disallowed. Thought Michael’s defence in that period of clongowes dominance was pretty good, held off 4/5 visits into the 22. Obviously the inability to leave their own half was eventually going to cost them. Although after that try the game was played between the the two 22s.

irishfan9

looking like they will bottle it and actually bottling it is rather different.

irishfan9

Potential Leinster u20 side next season? Thoughts?

1. Niall McEniff(St. Marys/St. Marys)
2. Richie Bergin(UCD/St. Marys)
3. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock) - u19
4. Ryan Baird(St. Michaels) - u19
5. Charlie Ryan(UCD/Blackrock)
6. Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
7. Scott Penny(St. Michaels)
8. Dan O'Donovan(St. Michaels)
9. Cormac Foley(St. Gerards)
10. Harry Byrne(UCD/St. Michaels)
11. Ruairi Shields(St. Marys)
12. David Hawkshaw(Belvedere)
13. David Ryan(St. Michaels)
14. Liam Turner(Blackrock)
15. Sam Dardis(Terenure) - u19

Sudolife

irishfan9 wrote: »

Potential Leinster u20 side next season? Thoughts?

1. Niall McEniff(UCD)
2. Richie Bergin(UCD)
3. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock)
4. Ryan Baird(St. Michaels)
5. Charlie Ryan(UCD)
6. Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
7. Scott Penny(St. Michaels)
8. Dan O'Donovan(St. Michaels)
9. Cormac Foley(St. Gerards)
10. Harry Byrne(UCD)
11. Ruairi Shields(St. Marys)
12. David Hawkshaw(Belvedere)
13. David Ryan(St. Michaels)
14. Liam Turner(Blackrock)
15. Sam Dardis(Terenure)

Probably the most talented U20 side in a while

irishfan9

Sudolife wrote: »

Probably the most talented U20 side in a while

Anyone notable missing in your opinion?

Doubt Harry Byrne will actually play for Leinster 20's next summer, but he could.

D14Rugby

Niall McEniff is at Marys club i believe, unless he's moved to UCD recently

irishfan9

D14Rugby wrote: »

Niall McEniff is at Marys club i believe, unless he's moved to UCD recently

Right you are, actually just made his AIL debut I think.

The Lost Sheep

irishfan9 wrote: »

Potential Leinster u20 side next season? Thoughts?

1. Niall McEniff(St. Marys/St. Marys)
2. Richie Bergin(UCD/St. Marys)
3. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock) - u19
4. Ryan Baird(St. Michaels) - u19
5. Charlie Ryan(UCD/Blackrock)
6. Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
7. Scott Penny(St. Michaels)
8. Dan O'Donovan(St. Michaels)
9. Cormac Foley(St. Gerards)
10. Harry Byrne(UCD/St. Michaels)
11. Ruairi Shields(St. Marys)
12. David Hawkshaw(Belvedere)
13. David Ryan(St. Michaels)
14. Liam Turner(Blackrock)
15. Sam Dardis(Terenure) - u19

No youths players then?

irishfan9

1, 2, 6 and 11 I think are the positions most up for debate...

irishfan9

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No youths players then?

none standout right now.. maybe Daragh Bolger gets ahead of McEniff at loosehead or Martin Moloney gets in ahead of Byron at 6.

But there is no standout club player at the moment IMO.

BlueAndWh1te

Shields needs to improve defensively. Very exciting on the ball but was lacklustre when it came to tackling

irishfan9

BlueAndWh1te wrote: »

Shields needs to improve defensively. Very exciting on the ball but was lacklustre when it came to tackling

Yeah he is far from assured his place IMO.

Fox90

Darragh Kelly La Grue and maybe Barry ahead of him

irishfan9

Fox90 wrote: »

Darragh Kelly La Grue and maybe Barry ahead of him

Yeah all good shouts.

Cowboy848

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

Fox90 wrote: »

I think Terenure gave Michaels much more of a game than Clongowes in the end

Were you at the game?

Clongowes dominated large portions of the game.

Michael’s looked ready to bottle it.
Ref chalked off a try for Clongowes that would have made it 22-20 with 10 mins to go.

Clongowes were a decent team and apart from two very costly errors - winger ahead of kicker on the restart of 2nd half which led to a try from a scrum on half way and their 15 kicking aimlessly to Michael’s back three which led to a Baird try, they were tactically very good.

The Clongowes 9 was a very good player, As was their 8 and 12.

Michael’s are good but I was expecting more from Penney and O donovan for all the hype.

I'm a neutral but I have to speak out against this completely biased BS. Michael's strolled to victory over Clongowes at a canter and whenever they turned it on looked like scoring over a well over hyped but average Clongowes.

The 2 very costly errors is more BS it just so happens that they were the straw that broke the very fragile camels back. Michael's didn't look nervous or intimidated or ready to "bottle" it. Obviously they have been banned with good reason from reading any of these or other forums. The Clongowes propaganda machine is as healthy as ever and was in good effect on here pre game. It didn't help their chances however as people including my self see through their BS. They would make Trump look like an angel.

irishfan9

Cowboy848 wrote: »

I'm a neutral but I have to speak out against this completely biased BS. Michael's strolled to victory over Clongowes at a canter and whenever they turned it on looked like scoring over a well over hyped but average Clongowes.

The 2 very costly errors is more BS it just so happens that they were the straw that broke the very fragile camels back. Michael's didn't look nervous or intimidated or ready to "bottle" it. Obviously they have been banned with good reason from reading any of these or other forums. The Clongowes propaganda machine is as healthy as ever and was in good effect on here pre game. It didn't help their chances however as people including my self see through their BS. They would make Trump look like an angel.

michaels didnt stroll to victory or did it at a canter.

it was a tough game that they won, but it wasn't easy.

they did a lot of defending in the second half and did it well, but it wasn't an easy win.

Rugby123innow

irishfan9 wrote: »

Potential Leinster u20 side next season? Thoughts?

1. Niall McEniff(St. Marys/St. Marys)
2. Richie Bergin(UCD/St. Marys)
3. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock) - u19
4. Ryan Baird(St. Michaels) - u19
5. Charlie Ryan(UCD/Blackrock)
6. Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
7. Scott Penny(St. Michaels)
8. Dan O'Donovan(St. Michaels)
9. Cormac Foley(St. Gerards)
10. Harry Byrne(UCD/St. Michaels)
11. Ruairi Shields(St. Marys)
12. David Hawkshaw(Belvedere)
13. David Ryan(St. Michaels)
14. Liam Turner(Blackrock)
15. Sam Dardis(Terenure) - u19

Can see Milne getting in
Hickey
Baxter
And Byron in at 8
Maybe Maloney too

irishfan9

Rugby123innow wrote: »

Can see Milne getting in
Hickey
Baxter
And Byron in at 8
Maybe Maloney too

Milne is joining Connacht.

No on Hickey.
Baxter will be with 19s.

easy peasy

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No youths players then?

Why would we discuss youths players? This is the Schools rugby thread. You should know, you started it...

easy peasy

BlueAndWh1te wrote: »

Shields needs to improve defensively. Very exciting on the ball but was lacklustre when it came to tackling

As exciting as he is on the ball, felt he took too much out of it on occasion. Butchered two overlaps because he didn't pass.

Cowboy848

irishfan9 wrote: »

Cowboy848 wrote: »

I'm a neutral but I have to speak out against this completely biased BS. Michael's strolled to victory over Clongowes at a canter and whenever they turned it on looked like scoring over a well over hyped but average Clongowes.

The 2 very costly errors is more BS it just so happens that they were the straw that broke the very fragile camels back. Michael's didn't look nervous or intimidated or ready to "bottle" it. Obviously they have been banned with good reason from reading any of these or other forums. The Clongowes propaganda machine is as healthy as ever and was in good effect on here pre game. It didn't help their chances however as people including my self see through their BS. They would make Trump look like an angel.

michaels didnt stroll to victory or did it at a canter.

it was a tough game that they won, but it wasn't easy.

they did a lot of defending in the second half and did it well, but it wasn't an easy win.

It wasn't easy because of all the pressure that was built up pre game. But that wasn't registered by michael's as they saw through Clongowes. There was a lot of posters on this site pre game saying they hoped michael's lost. I just wonder where they have all gone. Have they all withered away now that they have lost?

The Lost Sheep

easy peasy wrote: »

Why would we discuss youths players? This is the Schools rugby thread. You should know, you started it...

:rolleyes:
Its a potential under 20s team for next september and 20s is open to players from both strands so they should be discussed in context of that

irishfan9

Cowboy848 wrote: »

It wasn't easy because of all the pressure that was built up pre game. But that wasn't registered by michael's as they saw through Clongowes. There was a lot of posters on this site pre game saying they hoped michael's lost. I just wonder where they have all gone. Have they all withered away now that they have lost?

no they probably haven't...

michaels did not beat clongowes easily, to say they did ignores the game and the defending that had to do in the 2nd half.

easy peasy

Cowboy848 wrote: »

I'm a neutral but I have to speak out against this completely biased BS. Michael's strolled to victory over Clongowes at a canter and whenever they turned it on looked like scoring over a well over hyped but average Clongowes.

The 2 very costly errors is more BS it just so happens that they were the straw that broke the very fragile camels back. Michael's didn't look nervous or intimidated or ready to "bottle" it. Obviously they have been banned with good reason from reading any of these or other forums. The Clongowes propaganda machine is as healthy as ever and was in good effect on here pre game. It didn't help their chances however as people including my self see through their BS. They would make Trump look like an angel.

Three knock ons in the first four minutes might suggest otherwise....

Cowboy848

easy peasy wrote: »

Cowboy848 wrote: »

I'm a neutral but I have to speak out against this completely biased BS. Michael's strolled to victory over Clongowes at a canter and whenever they turned it on looked like scoring over a well over hyped but average Clongowes.

The 2 very costly errors is more BS it just so happens that they were the straw that broke the very fragile camels back. Michael's didn't look nervous or intimidated or ready to "bottle" it. Obviously they have been banned with good reason from reading any of these or other forums. The Clongowes propaganda machine is as healthy as ever and was in good effect on here pre game. It didn't help their chances however as people including my self see through their BS. They would make Trump look like an angel.

Three knock ons in the first four minutes might suggest otherwise....

Clongowes came out of the dressing room raging and huffing and puffing which I think is a reflection of igo and his methods of trying to spill blood. And I agree they did put them under pressure in the first 5-10minutes. But Michael's didn't play them at their own game and make it into a toe to toe fist fight. They stood off Clongowes and let them deflate and once their challenge was deflated the wide expansive game of michael's won out. It wasn't easy because people were buying the Clongowes hype about being underrated but that juvenile behaviour was successfully exposed in the end

Ayewserious

Ben o Shea looks a good player very surprised he didn't make Leinster schools last summer

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

none standout right now.. maybe Daragh Bolger gets ahead of McEniff at loosehead or Martin Moloney gets in ahead of Byron at 6.

But there is no standout club player at the moment IMO.

Dec Adamson will have a shout I reckon. Struggling to think of anyone else but I'm sure there will be one or 2 in and around it. Who do you see as next 10 if no Harry B - Conor Kelly? I would where they will push people to club wise. I'll be interested if they take the same view as this year.

Cowboy848

Ayewserious wrote: »

Ben o Shea looks a good player very surprised he didn't make Leinster schools last summer

Nothing to say for yourself about your pre match comments except to pitch for a player in a losing team? Personally I thought the less heralded centre Jay Barron was a much better prospect than o 'Shea

Rala_

irishfan9 wrote: »

Potential Leinster u20 side next season? Thoughts?

1. Niall McEniff(St. Marys/St. Marys)
2. Richie Bergin(UCD/St. Marys)
3. Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock) - u19
4. Ryan Baird(St. Michaels) - u19
5. Charlie Ryan(UCD/Blackrock)
6. Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
7. Scott Penny(St. Michaels)
8. Dan O'Donovan(St. Michaels)
9. Cormac Foley(St. Gerards)
10. Harry Byrne(UCD/St. Michaels)
11. Ruairi Shields(St. Marys)
12. David Hawkshaw(Belvedere)
13. David Ryan(St. Michaels)
14. Liam Turner(Blackrock)
15. Sam Dardis(Terenure) - u19

Would have an incredible attack.

easy peasy

Cowboy848 wrote: »

Clongowes came out of the dressing room raging and huffing and puffing which I think is a reflection of igo and his methods of trying to spill blood. And I agree they did put them under pressure in the first 5-10minutes. But Michael's didn't play them at their own game and make it into a toe to toe fist fight. They stood off Clongowes and let them deflate and once their challenge was deflated the wide expansive game of michael's won out. It wasn't easy because people were buying the Clongowes hype about being underrated but that juvenile behaviour was successfully exposed in the end

Maybe i'm missing something, but that to me makes no sense and has no impact on the outcome of the game. So Clongowes were hyped, yet underrated? Also don't see how that means "it wasn't easy".

Thanks for the junior psychology run through though. I'm a lot clearer on the Michaels mind games now.

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Dec Adamson will have a shout I reckon. Struggling to think of anyone else but I'm sure there will be one or 2 in and around it. Who do you see as next 10 if no Harry B - Conor Kelly? I would where they will push people to club wise. I'll be interested if they take the same view as this year.

Depends on Hawkshaw I guess... if not him then Kelly or Moran.

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Dec Adamson will have a shout I reckon. Struggling to think of anyone else but I'm sure there will be one or 2 in and around it. Who do you see as next 10 if no Harry B - Conor Kelly? I would where they will push people to club wise. I'll be interested if they take the same view as this year.

Yeah Adamson has a shot too along.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Ben o Shea looks a good player very surprised he didn't make Leinster schools last summer

Was involved until very late was with Ireland u18 during xmas.

irishfan9

gazump123 wrote: »

Conor Hayes

Leinster not ireland.

Cowboy848

easy peasy wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something, but that to me makes no sense and has no impact on the outcome of the game. So Clongowes were hyped, yet underrated? Also don't see how that means "it wasn't easy".

Thanks for the junior psychology run through though. I'm a lot clearer on the Michaels mind games now.

The only mind games were coming from Clongowes. All those blow hards who were saying how much they hoped Michaels lost and thought Clongowes were completely underrated have all gone silent. Their mind games not Michaels. I’m a neutral but I think some of the stuff being said was way off the mark. Now some are on here hyping players from the losing side?

6elieve

I think Shields would be deserving of his place on leinster 20's, he was excellent for the 19's last summer.

and those saying he has poor defence are basing it off one match, hes been solid all season for marys

irishfan9

6elieve wrote: »

I think Shields is deserving of his place on leinster 20's, he was excellent for the 19's last summer.

and those saying he has poor defence are basing it off one match, hes been solid all season for marys

He will make the squad, but wouldn't say he is assured a starting place.. but that's hardly a bad thing.

6elieve

irishfan9 wrote: »

He will make the squad, but wouldn't say he is assured a starting place.. but that's hardly a bad thing.

dont think theres a better alternative, kelly and la grue mentioned but shields would be far more influential out on the wing, hes absolutely rapid.

Rugbyfan266

irishfan9 wrote: »

1, 2, 6 and 11 I think are the positions most up for debate...

Who would you be debating over?

irishfan9

6elieve wrote: »

dont think theres a better alternative, kelly and la grue mentioned but shields would be far more influential out on the wing, hes absolutely rapid.

You don't think.. which is fair enough

And in my opinion out of the backline i listed his place would be the most up for debate.. I went with him but could see others getting there too..

Plenty of time between now and then.

irishfan9

Rugbyfan266 wrote: »

Who would you be debating over?

1. McEniff/Bolger
2. Bergin/Adamson/Molony
6. Byron/Pim/Watters/Moloney
11. Shields/Kelly/La Grue/Maher/Barry

6elieve

Byron to 8 Watters to 6 maybe?

irishfan9

6elieve wrote: »

Byron to 8 Watters to 6 maybe?

Cant see o'donovan being shifted from 8. But its possible. Who knows what will happen several players could miss out due to injury etc.

Fox90

Shields was poor in defense for the 19s you are one of the most biased posters on here

Union123

Team of the Cup so far. IMO

1. James Gleeson (Belvedere)
2. Kilian Hickey ( St. Fintains)
3. Mick Milne (Roscrea)
4. Healy ( STMC)
5. Baird (STMC)
6. Gerard Hill (Belvedere)
7. Ethan Baxter (Gerard's)
8. Dan O'Donavan (STMC)
9. Conrad Daly (Clongowes)
11. Eoin Carey (St.Marys)
10. Eoin Barr (Gonzaga)
12. Cormac Foley (St.Gerards)
13. David Ryan (STMC)
14. Harry Donnelly (Blackrock)
15. David Lacey (Belvedere)

Haven't seen any standout 10s yet. That being said I haven't seen every game so let us know if there's been any. David Moran had a good game, just back for injury but I want to exclude bias ⚔🗡

irishfan9

Union123 wrote: »

Team of the Cup so far. IMO

1. James Gleeson (Belvedere)
2. Kilian Hickey ( St. Fintains)
3. Mick Milne (Roscrea)
4. Healy ( STMC)
5. Baird (STMC)
6. Gerard Hill (Belvedere)
7. Ethan Baxter (Gerard's)
8. Dan O'Donavan (STMC)
9. Conrad Daly (Clongowes)
11. Eoin Carey (St.Marys)
10. Eoin Barr (Gonzaga)
12. Cormac Foley (St.Gerards)
13. David Ryan (STMC)
14. Harry Donnelly (Blackrock)
15. David Lacey (Belvedere)

Haven't seen any standout 10s yet. That being said I haven't seen every game so let us know if there's been any. David Moran had a good game, just back for injury but I want to exclude bias ⚔🗡

Gavin O'Brien over Hickey.
Moran at 10.
Matt Grogan in there somewhere.