Schools Rugby 2017 2018 Thread SEE MOD WARNING POST #1773

Rala_

Fox90 wrote: »

CBC were beaten by terenure in preseason. PBC will win it

Doesn't count for much, considering terenure went out in the first round.

irishfan9

Rala_ wrote: »

Doesn't count for much, considering terenure went out in the first round.

to Michaels, who cbc barely defeated last october at home when michaels sent a weakened side to cork.

As i said, CBC won't be PBC.. let alone them being the best schools side in the country.

6elieve

irishfan9 wrote: »

to Michaels, who cbc barely defeated last october at home when michaels sent a weakened side to cork.

As i said, CBC won't be PBC.. let alone them being the best schools side in the country.

Yes their full squad only beat Marys without Shields and Hurley, 2 leinster reps, by 4 points
Weren’t amazing.

Fox90

Rala_ wrote: »

Doesn't count for much, considering terenure went out in the first round.

You were the one talking about their pre season record?

irishfan9

19-5 on 35 mins

ArielAtom

Rala_ wrote: »

Fox90 wrote: »

CBC were beaten by terenure in preseason. PBC will win it

Doesn't count for much, considering terenure went out in the first round.

The irony in the name!!!

jayzee

Any score in the Mary's v nure junior game

Inspector Coptoor

irishfan9 wrote: »

19-5 on 35 mins

33-10 to Rock
Final score

Inspector Coptoor

jayzee wrote: »

Any score in the Mary's v nure junior game

No as it’s on tomorrow at 3pm

eccti

CBC lost to clongowes by about 20 points this year before christmas

Rala_

eccti wrote: »

CBC lost to clongowes by about 20 points this year before christmas

Fair point forgive my ignorance on that matter. But CBC have been very impressive so far in Cup and a win against any kind of Firsts Michaels team is impressive.

6elieve

Hopefully the weather wont ruin what looks to be a great game in Marys vs Terenure tomorrow .

Funnily enough, Im going for marys to win it in a close one!

Heymans

6elieve wrote: »

Hopefully the weather wont ruin what looks to be a great game in Marys vs Terenure tomorrow .

Funnily enough, Im going for marys to win it in a close one!

I think we’ll beat rock in SCT also. I’m biased but I’ve seen enough to know we can turn over bigger teams like Rock

6elieve

Heymans wrote: »

I think we’ll beat rock in SCT also. I’m biased but I’ve seen enough to know we can turn over bigger teams like Rock

We haven’t beaten a big 6 side in the cup since 2006! I believe This side is capable of beating anyone on their day , but let’s not get carried away.

The Lost Sheep

connacht semi finals tomorrow weather permitting
Jes v Marist in NUIG and Garbally v Sligo Grammar in Ballinasloe RFC.
Jes and Garbally to win IMO.

Rala_

Seems likely Junior cup games will either be played on the weekend or pushed onto next week weather permitting now. Meaning some Senior games may be pushed to a further date.

irishfan9

cant see senior games being moved they are on tv.

irishfan9

also whoever wins leinster will be the best schools side in the country, as usual.

Tarf1234

Rala_ wrote: »

Seems likely Junior cup games will either be played on the weekend or pushed onto next week weather permitting now. Meaning some Senior games may be pushed to a further date.

Juniors games not just moved to other clubs ground?

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Juniors games not just moved to other clubs ground?

Marys Nure postponed.

FrannoFan

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Juniors games not just moved to other clubs ground?

Only 2 quarters and 2 semis so can just spread over the week

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

also whoever wins leinster will be the best schools side in the country, as usual.

Rbai were by far the best side in Ireland last year

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

cant see senior games being moved they are on tv.

Senior games off

Tarf1234

By moved to other club grounds it was meant in that if they wanted to play them on a day where Donnybrook was being used.

D14Rugby

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Juniors games not just moved to other clubs ground?

For Nure Marys youd guess Donnybrook will be needed due to numbers, though it's a junior game so i don't know you might not

The Lost Sheep

D14Rugby wrote: »

For Nure Marys youd guess Donnybrook will be needed due to numbers, though it's a junior game so i don't know you might not

Not really. there's plenty of club grounds that can host crowds of several thousand just not with a stand like donnybrook.

Dev5976

MDunne14 wrote: »

Rbai were by far the best side in Ireland last year

Except they lost to Pres Cork and Blackrock, so to say ‘by far’ I think would be inaccurate.

Pres, RBAI, Blackrock, St Michaels were in my opinion the best sides in the country last year, but of course Belvedere did what they do brilliantly and found a way of beating the latter two, so they have to make a top five in whatever order people’s opinions want to place them in.

Rala_

MDunne14 wrote: »

Rbai were by far the best side in Ireland last year

True, I'll never forget that RBAI side, they trashed a full Michaels starting firsts by atleast 30 points. Put MC's SCT hype down the toliet pretty much. RBAI were also unbeaten in Ulster last season.

Rala_

Dev5976 wrote: »

Except they lost to Pres Cork and Blackrock, so to say ‘by far’ I think would be inaccurate.

Pres, RBAI, Blackrock, St Michaels were in my opinion the best sides in the country last year, but of course Belvedere did what they do brilliantly and found a way of beating the latter two, so they have to make a top five in whatever order people’s opinions want to place them in.

What was the score vs blackrock? Was a good pres side last season too, could put them up there in top 3 of country last year anyway.

Dev5976

Rala_ wrote: »

What was the score vs blackrock? Was a good pres side last season too, could put them up there in top 3 of country last year anyway.

Was 10-5 to Blackrock I think. One score game anyway

Cowboy848

Rala_ wrote: »

True, I'll never forget that RBAI side, they trashed a full Michaels starting firsts by atleast 30 points. Put MC's SCT hype down the toliet pretty much. RBAI were also unbeaten in Ulster last season.

Preseason results don’t count for much though. Michaels beat Clongowes by 35+ last season and Clongowes got to the semis.

Cowboy848

Interesting article on schools in the Indo today

New Zealand Rugby Union chief executive Steve Tew has warned that players as young as 15 are being targeted in what he describes as an unprecedented threat to his country's playing stocks.
In the past year, the five New Zealand franchises have lost 17 players, including seven All Blacks, to European clubs.
Many more will depart, with Wasps announcing the signings of Lima Sopoaga and Brad Shields for next season. Fellow All Blacks Liam Messam, Jerome Kaino and Charlie Ngatai are expected to follow.

Tew is accustomed to his high-profile stars being in demand, but it is targeting of school-age players that is setting alarm bells ringing.
A development that started in South Africa with foreign scouts attending Craven Week - the country's main schools tournament - seems to have spread to New Zealand.

Concerned
Tew said: "We have been concerned about our player stocks for some time, particularly the French market, but there's a bit going on in England and Japan as well. There's been more heat than there has ever been.

"Clubs are increasingly talking to agents about players at a much younger age. Teenagers, sometimes 15-year-olds, are being approached about signing by clubs in both union and league. That's scary."
Some of those who leave New Zealand shores will end up playing against the All Blacks. In the last round of Six Nations matches, every country had at least one New Zealand-born player in their squad.

World Rugby has extended the residency qualification period for international players from three to five years, effective from 2020, and Tew believes this may have caused clubs to target even younger players.

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As an alternative, Tew is exploring the possibility of opening relationships with certain foreign clubs where the NZRU would send players for sabbaticals.

That would allow the player to maximise their earnings while the NZRU can monitor their development and ensure their return to the fold. (© Daily Telegraph, London)
Telegraph.co.uk

Cowboy848

What’s people’s views on it?

Never heard of Craven week before but have been touring inSA and seen the likes of Hilton College in Pietermaritzburg. Not sure but wasn’t there an article about Carlo Del Fava saying there is huge pressure to juice up down there if you want to stay competitive?

Also was at a century competition in Blackrock about 10 years ago with 4 big English schools - colstons wellington sebergh and ivyhurst attending. Players were noticeably bigger than their Irish counterparts but didn’t get to the final. Thoughts?

The Lost Sheep

Craven week is huge, bigger than anything in ireland
Wont discuss comments on juicing as any comments on it are perfect reason to close thread
Funny that New Zealand commenting on schools being targeted for players when many new zealand schools do it/have done it in the pacific islands in the past.

irishfan9

munster already poaching talent from craven week

Quin_Dub

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Craven week is huge, bigger than anything in ireland
Wont discuss comments on juicing as any comments on it are perfect reason to close thread
Funny that New Zealand commenting on schools being targeted for players when many new zealand schools do it/have done it in the pacific islands in the past.

Was just going to say that NZ schools have been offering scholarships to Islanders for years..

Having said that , giving a guy a scholarship to play in your school is a bit different to clubs trying to sign a 15/16 yr old for a Pro/Academy contract half way round the world..

Setting aside the fact that they are still children at that age, it's a huge risk for all concerned - How many players that look the part at 15/16 will actually turn into a Pro standard player at 20/21 ??

Cowboy848

It’s an interesting point on knowing if a player has the necessary elements required to make a pro player. Sometimes a group of players can be winners at JCT level and not make the step up to being winners at SCT level. Therefore making the step up from SCT to pro can be wrought with obstacles and many that are good at one level may simply not make the step up to the next level. Very often good coaching disguises limited players or a good coach can get more from players than other coaches can later in their development and players don’t make the step up for that reason. One thing I am quite sure about is the raw materials need to be there whether that he pace size or Workman like ability that some players have and others don’t. It’s hard to tell what makes a player a good player and it’s hard to say why some who aren’t as good at school become greats as pros and vice versa.

Rala_

Mary's vs Terenure moved to 5pm KO this Sunday, In donnybrook. Not very convenient. CBC vs Knock 12pm donnybrook on Tuesday.

Rala_

Cowboy848 wrote: »

It’s an interesting point on knowing if a player has the necessary elements required to make a pro player. Sometimes a group of players can be winners at JCT level and not make the step up to being winners at SCT level. Therefore making the step up from SCT to pro can be wrought with obstacles and many that are good at one level may simply not make the step up to the next level. Very often good coaching disguises limited players or a good coach can get more from players than other coaches can later in their development and players don’t make the step up for that reason. One thing I am quite sure about is the raw materials need to be there whether that he pace size or Workman like ability that some players have and others don’t. It’s hard to tell what makes a player a good player and it’s hard to say why some who aren’t as good at school become greats as pros and vice versa.

Yeah interesting point. Current Michaels 6th years wouldn't have been best team at JCT, top 4/5 definitely but not best team, now they're assumingly the best. Blackrock Current 6th years were world beaters at JCT, very good year for them, now they've deteriorated slightly, confidence levels aren't the same, many players from that year quit or play lower level. Terenure 6th years at JCT were unstoppable that year too, had an incredible flowing backline that would have challenged even a senior side at the time, now at SCT still alright but not the same team at all. Gerard's 6th years were very unrelevant at JCT due to huge size factor, now have unearthed several star players and play some deadly skilful rugby nearly beating a Big rock side. That would have been complete unforeseen at the time.

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Was just going to say that NZ schools have been offering scholarships to Islanders for years..

Having said that , giving a guy a scholarship to play in your school is a bit different to clubs trying to sign a 15/16 yr old for a Pro/Academy contract half way round the world..

Setting aside the fact that they are still children at that age, it's a huge risk for all concerned - How many players that look the part at 15/16 will actually turn into a Pro standard player at 20/21 ??

Its slightly different but....

Rala_ wrote: »

Mary's vs Terenure moved to 5pm KO this Sunday, In donnybrook. Not very convenient. CBC vs Knock 12pm donnybrook on Tuesday.

Playing on Sunday isnt an issue....

Rala_ wrote: »

Yeah interesting point. Current Michaels 6th years wouldn't have been best team at JCT, top 4/5 definitely but not best team, now they're assumingly the best. Blackrock Current 6th years were world beaters at JCT, very good year for them, now they've deteriorated slightly, confidence levels aren't the same, many players from that year quit or play lower level. Terenure 6th years at JCT were unstoppable that year too, had an incredible flowing backline that would have challenged even a senior side at the time, now at SCT still alright but not the same team at all. Gerard's 6th years were very unrelevant at JCT due to huge size factor, now have unearthed several star players and play some deadly skilful rugby nearly beating a Big rock side. That would have been complete unforeseen at the time.

In how many of the schools is transition year compulsory? For quite a few students they'll only do 5 years so a team at senior wont be same as at junior level.

Rala_

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Its slightly different but....

Playing on Sunday isnt an issue....

In how many of the schools is transition year compulsory? For quite a few students they'll only do 5 years so a team at senior wont be same as at junior level.

From my knowledge, pretty sure in most if not all, south Dublin private schools it has been compulsory of recent, certainly in the schools with religious ethos.

irishfan9

Rala_ wrote: »

Yeah interesting point. Current Michaels 6th years wouldn't have been best team at JCT, top 4/5 definitely but not best team, now they're assumingly the best. Blackrock Current 6th years were world beaters at JCT, very good year for them, now they've deteriorated slightly, confidence levels aren't the same, many players from that year quit or play lower level. Terenure 6th years at JCT were unstoppable that year too, had an incredible flowing backline that would have challenged even a senior side at the time, now at SCT still alright but not the same team at all. Gerard's 6th years were very unrelevant at JCT due to huge size factor, now have unearthed several star players and play some deadly skilful rugby nearly beating a Big rock side. That would have been complete unforeseen at the time.

Well rock lost their outhalf.. also rocks 6th years probably as talented as Michaels if not more so.

Terenure backline still good but don't have pack or 10 to compete.

Smaller schools have chance to catch up as they mature.. rock can dominate at jct due to numbers

D14Rugby

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Playing on Sunday isnt an issue....

In how many of the schools is transition year compulsory? For quite a few students they'll only do 5 years so a team at senior wont be same as at junior level.

In terms of player mentality and getting numbers to the game its a big difference playing on a weekend compared to a weekday.

I'd say in every school that played senior cup and maybe even vinnie Murray this year TY is if not mandatory very very strongly recommended and made hard to skip.

The Mary's Nure game talk reminded me of something that might interest and Mary's or Nure heads on here. The two schools played each other at junior school level for the last ever time last week. I didn't go to either school but know there's a huge rivalry that used to go all the way from start of primary school to well it never really ends does it? I thought that small bit of news about the end of an era might be interest to some here that did attend either school.

Rala_

D14Rugby wrote: »

In terms of player mentality and getting numbers to the game its a big difference playing on a weekend compared to a weekday.

I'd say in every school that played senior cup and maybe even vinnie Murray this year TY is if not mandatory very very strongly recommended and made hard to skip.

The Mary's Nure game talk reminded me of something that might interest and Mary's or Nure heads on here. The two schools played each other at junior school level for the last ever time last week. I didn't go to either school but know there's a huge rivalry that used to go all the way from start of primary school to well it never really ends does it? I thought that small bit of news about the end of an era might be interest to some here that did attend either school.

To add to that it'll be played under the flood lights, a different experience.

Heymans

D14Rugby wrote: »

In terms of player mentality and getting numbers to the game its a big difference playing on a weekend compared to a weekday.

I'd say in every school that played senior cup and maybe even vinnie Murray this year TY is if not mandatory very very strongly recommended and made hard to skip.

The Mary's Nure game talk reminded me of something that might interest and Mary's or Nure heads on here. The two schools played each other at junior school level for the last ever time last week. I didn't go to either school but know there's a huge rivalry that used to go all the way from start of primary school to well it never really ends does it? I thought that small bit of news about the end of an era might be interest to some here that did attend either school.

It’s a shame there won’t be any more of that childhood rivalry/friendship continuously developed between the 2 schools from a young age. It nurtured a real sense from a young of self improvement vs your rival school for me and really advances player development at a young age. That’s not to say players who only start playing at senior school can’t catch up it’s just players who play in junior school level bleed the school colors. Playing beside the campanile and dome in Rathmines on the front pitch is a cherished memory from my youth and it is a shame none of the players in purple black and white of Terenure will never get the chance to do it again.

Hands Like Flippers

www.ulsterrugby.com/news/17105.php#.WpcosNCnzgA

irishfan9

Munster semi finals rescheduled for monday.

The Lost Sheep

Heymans wrote: »

It’s a shame there won’t be any more of that childhood rivalry/friendship continuously developed between the 2 schools from a young age. It nurtured a real sense from a young of self improvement vs your rival school for me and really advances player development at a young age. That’s not to say players who only start playing at senior school can’t catch up it’s just players who play in junior school level bleed the school colors. Playing beside the campanile and dome in Rathmines on the front pitch is a cherished memory from my youth and it is a shame none of the players in purple black and white of Terenure will never get the chance to do it again.

Its not a major deal and wont diminish the rivalry.

MDunne14

Cowboy848 wrote: »

Preseason results don’t count for much though. Michaels beat Clongowes by 35+ last season and Clongowes got to the semis.

Yeah with an easy draw

ArielAtom

Marys Nure game now moved to Wed 7th March 15.00 kick off.