Schools Rugby 2017 2018 Thread SEE MOD WARNING POST #1773

milosh

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

so what? What's a "serious player" btw?
And that's a great number playing.
Would be far more interested in what numbers from those schools years are still involved playing/coaching/reffing at any level in the sport

Why would that be more interesting? A school with 600ish students producing this many professionals is an amazing statistical trend and says much about the work St Michaels are doing. Similarly sized and resourced schools such as Castleknock are producing nothing like this.

There is a suggestion there that schools rugby causes a drop off in playing numbers. You will find that there is a similar rate of youths player fall off in clubs to adult rugby. Nobody ever asks to track these figures.

Also the amount of players who take up the game in Leinster secondary schools and then join a club afterwards is probably greater than the amount of kids who played in a club as a min, then in their school and subsequently stopped playing. If this is the case as I suspect then schools are a net contributor to the club game playing numbers.

Ally Bren 92

milosh wrote: »

Why would that be more interesting? A school with 600ish students producing this many professionals is an amazing statistical trend and says much about the work St Michaels are doing. Similarly sized and resourced schools such as Castleknock are producing nothing like this.

There is a suggestion there that schools rugby causes a drop off in playing numbers. You will find that there is a similar rate of youths player fall off in clubs to adult rugby. Nobody ever asks to track these figures.

Also the amount of players who take up the game in Leinster secondary schools and then join a club afterwards is probably greater than the amount of kids who played in a club as a min, then in their school and subsequently stopped playing. If this is the case as I suspect then schools are a net contributor to the club game playing numbers.

Whether your playing professional or bective 3rds or coaching I still think great to be part of the game

The Lost Sheep

milosh wrote:

Why would that be more interesting? A school with 600ish students producing this many professionals is an amazing statistical trend and says much about the work St Michaels are doing. Similarly sized and resourced schools such as Castleknock are producing nothing like this.

because the number of people playing with bective 3rds are far more likely than the number of people joining an academy and playing professionally.

FrannoFan

milosh wrote: »

Why would that be more interesting? A school with 600ish students producing this many professionals is an amazing statistical trend and says much about the work St Michaels are doing. Similarly sized and resourced schools such as Castleknock are producing nothing like this.

There is a suggestion there that schools rugby causes a drop off in playing numbers. You will find that there is a similar rate of youths player fall off in clubs to adult rugby. Nobody ever asks to track these figures.

Also the amount of players who take up the game in Leinster secondary schools and then join a club afterwards is probably greater than the amount of kids who played in a club as a min, then in their school and subsequently stopped playing. If this is the case as I suspect then schools are a net contributor to the club game playing numbers.

Why mention castleknock? They have excellent links with clubs like Barnhall, coolmine, navan and North Kildare as well as sending lads on to lansdowne.

They also have a few internationals and lads playing pro rugby.

irishfan9

Look at how few pro players belvo has produced this decade, it's hopefully changing now tho lead by Hughie.

Dave0301

irishfan9 wrote: »

Blackrock SCT


Upcoming games:
Wellington College - 4th Nov
RBAI - 11th Nov
St. Michaels - 18th Nov
Belvedere - 25th Nov
Crescent - 2nd Dec
Clongowes - 9th Dec
Ballymena - 16th Dec
Munchins - 28th Dec
CBC Cork - 6th Jan
Methody - 13th Jan

I will be interested to see how that game plays out as Wellington are considered one of the best school teams over here. Is it just the SCT playing, or are Blackrock sending a younger side too? I think an U16 squad possibly?

irishfan9

Dave0301 wrote: »

I will be interested to see how that game plays out as Wellington are considered one of the best school teams over here. Is it just the SCT playing, or are Blackrock sending a younger side too? I think an U16 squad possibly?

I think both the sct and jct team are playing.

Dave0301

Won't be able to get to it due to other fixtures, but I hope that Blackrock do well.

The Lost Sheep

milosh wrote: »

Why would that be more interesting? A school with 600ish students producing this many professionals is an amazing statistical trend and says much about the work St Michaels are doing. Similarly sized and resourced schools such as Castleknock are producing nothing like this.

There is a suggestion there that schools rugby causes a drop off in playing numbers. You will find that there is a similar rate of youths player fall off in clubs to adult rugby. Nobody ever asks to track these figures.

Also the amount of players who take up the game in Leinster secondary schools and then join a club afterwards is probably greater than the amount of kids who played in a club as a min, then in their school and subsequently stopped playing. If this is the case as I suspect then schools are a net contributor to the club game playing numbers.

For obvious reasons its more interesting. Lots of schools have quite a few senior level teams from SCT to transition year to social sides but those numbers dont translate to adult level very well. Thats why looking at overall numbers who continue to play well after finishing school are far more interesting than the numbers who go on to play pro.
Schools are far from net contributor to numbers playing in club game considering the drop out rate from schools game is so high. And numbers dropping from youths rugby are very much tracked and competitions/events etc have been altered to help adress that drop out rate.

Dave0301 wrote: »

I will be interested to see how that game plays out as Wellington are considered one of the best school teams over here. Is it just the SCT playing, or are Blackrock sending a younger side too? I think an U16 squad possibly?

Juniors(u16s) also playing.

irishfan9

Told ben murphy and mick o'gara are in ireland u18 schools squad.

irishfan9

Told ben murphy and mick o'gara are in ireland u18 schools squad.

Ally Bren 92

Belvedere v Michaels
Blackrock v Wellington

Games this Saturday

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Told ben murphy and mick o'gara are in ireland u18 schools squad.

Anyone else?

Ayewserious

Anyone no where munsters Ben Healy and Luke masters are playing their rugby?

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Anyone no where munsters Ben Healy and Luke masters are playing their rugby?

Both are still in school. Glenstal and CBC.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Anyone else?

Not as of yet.

The Lost Sheep

Ayewserious wrote:

Anyone no where munsters Ben Healy and Luke masters are playing their rugby?

Ben still in school but likely go back to his home club in Nenagh(where he still trains all summer and in skills sessions with coaches from Nenagh) or Garryowen

irishfan9

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Ben still in school but likely go back to his home club in Nenagh(where he still trains all summer and in skills sessions with coaches from Nenagh) or Garryowen

So Garryowen.

The Lost Sheep

irishfan9 wrote: »

So Garryowen.

:rolleyes:
Not really. Nenagh easily could be option as he's from there, brother playing on 1st xv(current 1st xv captain)
Nenagh could easily be a division 1 club next season

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Both are still in school. Glenstal and CBC.

Thank you

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Both are still in school. Glenstal and CBC.

Was Healy injured last summer?

irishfan9

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Not really. Nenagh easily could be option as he's from there, brother playing on 1st xv(current 1st xv captain)
Nenagh could easily be a division 1 club next season

It will be garryowen though.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Was Healy injured last summer?

For the interpros? Yes

irishfan9

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

Belvedere v Michaels
Blackrock v Wellington

Games this Saturday

Not sure but ireland camps could effect these games.

Ally Bren 92

Nobody knows what belvedere’s lineup will be looking like this year do they?

Inspector Coptoor

Ayewserious wrote: »

Hawkshaw could play centre to accomadate matt meagher

No such player as Matt Meagher.

Do you mean John Meagher?

Belvo team starting to take shape.

Ayewserious

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

No such player as Matt Meagher.

Do you mean John Meagher?

Belvo team starting to take shape.

Yes sorry,is John starting?

stuckintipp

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Crescent and Castletroy played in comp this morning. Crescent won by 50 points or so. Castletroy very poor. With change if Bowen shield to 18s castletroy don't have enough numbers to field both sct and Bowen shield at same time. Interesting to note that

For Bowen shield only a max of 5 U18s allowed and they can’t be A players, if the U18 plays twice for A team you’re no longer eligible for Bowen. So it’s really just U17 with a few B seniors.

Castletroy under fierce pressure to stay at A school standard, playing numbers low, many teachers no longer involved. For the most affluent part of the city it’s odd to see.

irishfan9

Michaels side for Belvedere game today:

1. Jack Boyle -4th year
2. Lee Barron -4th year
3. Chris Hennessy
4. Jonathan Fish -5th year
5. Matthew Healy
6. Jack Guinane -4th year
7. Will Hickey -4th year
8. Jody Booth
9. Rob Gilsenan -5th year
10. David Moran
11. Jeff O'Loughlin
12. Jay Barron
13. Eliot Haran
14. Mark O'Brien -5th year
15. Chris Cosgrave -4th year

Ally Bren 92

1st.michales beat Belvo 19-12
2nds Belvo won 31-29

Belvo firsts looked to be the better team with 2 try’s to 1 but michales used the boot for 4 penalty’s.both teams missing players

irishfan9

Michaels missing more but obviously no hawkshaw is a big blow.

Anyone impress u? Say position if u dont know name.

RugbyRugby2016

According to Wellington Colleges website Blackrock SCT drew 19-19 and the Blackrock JCT lost 18-23

Ally Bren 92

irishfan9 wrote: »

Michaels missing more but obviously no hawkshaw is a big blow.

Anyone impress u? Say position if u dont know name.

Belvos front row were dominant,Chris cosgraves boot got 14 points

Ayewserious

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

Belvos front row were dominant,Chris cosgraves boot got 14 points

Who were belvo missing?

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Who were belvo missing?

Hawkshaw youd assume to ireland u19 camp. Dunno who else.

irishfan9

David Hawkshaw, David Ryan, Ryan Baird, Dan O'Donovan, Scott Penny all at Ireland u19 camp last week.

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

David Hawkshaw, David Ryan, Ryan Baird, Dan O'Donovan, Scott Penny all at Ireland u19 camp last week.

Was Byron not there?

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Was Byron not there?

not as far as I know.

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

not as far as I know.

Strange. Better than O'Donovan IMO

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Strange. Better than O'Donovan IMO

Several coaches seem to disagree as of late.

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Several coaches seem to disagree as of late.

True, O'Donavans size gives him an advantage,very skilful aswell as he was once a back.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

True, O'Donavans size gives him an advantage,very skilful aswell as he was once a back.

He was a back for one season really, started as a 2nd year for Michaels in the backrow.

Don't think there is a much of a height difference between Byron/O'Donovan.

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Ayewserious wrote: »

True, O'Donavans size gives him an advantage,very skilful aswell as he was once a back.

He was a back for one season really, started as a 2nd year for Michaels in the backrow.

Don't think there is a much of a height difference between Byron/O'Donovan.

Byron looks like he has put a bit of good bulk on too. O'Donovan also looks very large

irishfan9

Both are very good backrow prospects.

irishfan9

Potential Belvo pack?

1. Matuesz Galinski
2. Conor Cagney
3. Jonny Bell
4. Adam Maher
5. Alekseiy Soroka
6. Aaron Coleman
7. Harry Beggy
8. Rudhan Byron

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Potential Belvo pack?

1. Matuesz Galinski
2. Conor Cagney
3. Jonny Bell
4. Adam Maher
5. Alekseiy Soroka
6. Aaron Coleman
7. Hugo McPeake
8. Rudhan Byron

Harry beggy

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Harry beggy

1. Matuesz Galinski
2. Conor Cagney
3. Jonny Bell
4. Adam Maher
5. Alekseiy Soroka
6. Aaron Coleman
7. Harry Beggy
8. Rudhan Byron

Bell is an interesting player, missed nearly all of last season due to getting injured with Leinster schools.

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

1. Matuesz Galinski
2. Conor Cagney
3. Jonny Bell
4. Adam Maher
5. Alekseiy Soroka
6. Aaron Coleman
7. Harry Beggy
8. Rudhan Byron

Bell is an interesting player, missed nearly all of last season due to getting injured with Leinster schools.

3,7,8 will definitly start,no idea about the others.

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

3,7,8 will definitly start,no idea about the others.

backline..?

Sudolife

irishfan9 wrote: »

backline..?

Bell unlikely to play cup, injured at the moment.
Gerard Hill will likely be in the second row, Harry Beggy will be at 6 not 7.
Interesting to note that 5 of the 8 players you included in that pack are in 5th year too.

backline will be something like this:
9 Ted Walsh
10 David Hawkshaw
11 Sam Barry
12 John Meagher
13 Cailean Mulvaney
14 Matt Grogan
15 David lacey