So it's the 12th of July tomorrow. Will the North ever not be sectarian?

Royal Legend

murpho999 wrote: »

Is there any low these numbskulls won't sink too? Martin Mc Guinness coffin, bloody hell.

How come St Patrick's Day pass off with incident or controversy year on year?

i don't thinks its his real coffin

OldMrBrennan83

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Junkyard Tom

Royal Legend wrote: »

protestants around our area (rural) would blank you at this time of year, talk to you all year around until near the 12th, then silence.

My Mother's rural neighbours used to do this to her family. Not sure if it still happens.

It's an anti-culture.

tigger123

Why blank people only on the 12th? Its the dumbest f*ckin thing I've ever heard.

Surely if someone is worth blanking, it would be a year round thing, not just special occasions.

The Backwards Man

I live in an area that would be fairly close to 50/50 Protestant/Catholic in the south, we're all free staters (:p) and nobody gives a fcuks about them cnuts and their 'culture'.

Scratch that, let them build away, we get a fair few pound out of the refugees from all persuasions this week

For Forks Sake

diomed wrote: »

I'm just sad we don't have a semi-state body that manufactures pallets.

Ah that's cute, you actually think they pay for them?

Even when the council confiscate a load of them ,they just went and robbed them back: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/uda-boss-stitts-gang-behind-theft-of-bonfire-pallets-stored-by-belfast-city-council-35894842.html

gooch2k9

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Ah that's cute, you actually think they pay for them?

Even when the council confiscate a load of them ,they just went and robbed them back: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/uda-boss-stitts-gang-behind-theft-of-bonfire-pallets-stored-by-belfast-city-council-35894842.html

They weren't confiscated. The council were actually storing them for one group, then another group stole them!

steddyeddy

When anyone asks what would Ireland be like under British rule I point North. Economy in ruins, divided society and bigotry as standard. No thanks.

Syphonax

Its like the Gay Pride festival all over again...yeah we already know! Enuff Already!

The Backwards Man

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Ah that's cute, you actually think they pay for them?

Even when the council confiscate a load of them ,they just went and robbed them back: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/uda-boss-stitts-gang-behind-theft-of-bonfire-pallets-stored-by-belfast-city-council-35894842.html

I know of a few businesses that just leave the gates open and let them take them, less hassle. Fcuking CHEP pallets at a fiver a pop, some of them bonfires have would raise ten's of thousands for something for their wains if they had any sense

Junkyard Tom

Firefighters keeping local businesses doused with water while a bonfire burns next to them. In any other place in the civilised world the bonfire would be doused but not in Unionist Cultural Expression Zones.

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For Forks Sake

steddyeddy

Bambi wrote: »

TBH this is why loyalisms rabid hatred doesn't shock us, the media in the republic have desperately punted the "they're as bad as each other" line for as long as I've been around. It's only when loyalists direct their vitriol at gays, polish and such that your Irish Times reading punter becomes uncomfortable

Look at the British media. Partition of Ireland was great and the IRA are the only cause of problems in the North.

tigger123

steddyeddy wrote: »

Look at the British media. Partition of Ireland was great and the IRA are the only cause of problems in the North.

Don't think the British media really gives a f*ck about the North.

steddyeddy

tigger123 wrote: »

Don't think the British media really gives a f*ck about the North.

It's weird. You will find people insisting it's British simply out of some imperial sense of duty. The same people will have zero clue ablut the history involved.

nullzero

These people's ancestors were important to Britain when the plantation of Ulster happened but they have become of less and less importance or interest to their overlords as time has gone by. The disdain shown by the British media towards Theresa May's deal with the DUP should leave these people in no doubt that they are no longer relevant to the British people and in all honesty they never were relevant.
Does the average British person (from the island of Britain ; England, Scotland and Wales) wake up every day and think to themselves, "thank God the Ulster unionists are protecting their culture and by extension my culture, they make me feel so proud to be British"?

These horrible hate filled people are a relic of a bygone age, the quasi cargo-cultesque nonsense they go on with is mind boggling.

I'd continue to post about their failings but they're just not worth the effort.

bear1

2017.. and yet here they are as if it were 1817.
How in the name of fook did the police not stop the racism there?
Bananas, coffins.. wtf
I'd love to know how much that costs the tax payer to clean up.

Gen.Zhukov

If this woman's house was burned to the ground from a stray spark, I'm not sure I'd lose that much sleep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAa4xPkk2Pw

firemansam4

Ironically their actions each year may help bring a United Ireland closer.

As the catholic population overtakes the protestant population in the North, there will need to be support from catholics to stay in the union. The more this sectarian hate goes on the less chance catholics will want to stay in the union.

osarusan

It's funny how the formation of the new British government resulted in a huge amount of people looking at (or even realising the existence of) the DUP and their policies for the first time, and the horror at some of them.

And for them and their supporters in NI, a sobering wake-up call as to just how ignored and unknown they are throughout the union they want to remain a part of.

To know that nobody gives a f**k about you, and that when you disappear (and you will), that nobody in your beloved union will care or even notice it...well, if they weren't such a pack of c*nts, I'd almost feel sorry for them.

OldMrBrennan83

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The Backwards Man

I personally think an semi duoautonomous nine counties, plus Sligo and Leitrim if they want to opt in, getting ten billion each from the south and the Brits, would be something we all could live with.

Anyone have Bill Clinton's number?

end of the road

Patww79 wrote: »

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they will have to pay the doctor when the nhs is privatized and sold off for a pound by the tories. britain doesn't want them and the buying off of the undemocratic unionist party is not going down very well in britain, it only has support from a few tory and brexit extremists who don't care as long as the tories are in power and labour aren't.

FrancieBrady

Patww79 wrote: »

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That's why they keep voting in more and more numbers for the party which has the principle objective of unification I suppose. :rolleyes:

endacl

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Partitionist laziness never worked before and will not work now or into the future.
This is everyone on the island's problem.

Not my problem...

OldMrBrennan83

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FrancieBrady

Patww79 wrote: »

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Demeaning people with trite clichés won't make the inevitable go away.

OldMrBrennan83

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Charles Babbage

Patww79 wrote: »

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SInce the 26 counties is more prosperous, the comparison will hardly be an unfavourable one. Personally my car tax and insurance together is about €800, about what I paid for insurance alone in NI 20 years ago.

FrancieBrady

Patww79 wrote: »

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Not interested in a discussion with somebody whose depth of knowledge has been garnered from the likes of the Mail or the Indo.
Have you anything to offer on the current displays by bigots and sectarian dinosaurs?
The subject of the thread in other words, not your personal prejudice.

Junkyard Tom

I see some of the bonfire engineers had the sense to light the really tall ones half way up and others were too dumb to understand (or didn't care) about physics.

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OldMrBrennan83

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FrancieBrady

Patww79 wrote: »

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More clichéd nonsense. Of course it can change. Look how marching has changed when the people who want normality are backed by those with the power to enforce change and respect.
They only did that because they were forced to.

Lazy attitudes like yours should be resisted.

OldMrBrennan83

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FrancieBrady

Patww79 wrote: »

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By law. Enforcing it.
And by pressuring the OO to clean their act up, dissociate themselves completely from it and penalise the DUP or any party for endorsing it in any way by word or attendance.
That would be a long overdue start.

Richard Hillman

citytillidie wrote: »

if it is about Protestant culture how come other countries such as Netherlands, Germany with large Protestant majority not have such bonfires :pac:

It is to commemorate the lighting of bonfires on the 11th of July along the bank's of Belfast to help navigate the way for King Billys ships for the glorious 12th

Junkyard Tom

Richard Hillman wrote: »

the glorious 12th

They're celebrating the battle of a (supposedly gay) King who was supported by the Pope, that's location is now in a constitutional republic they hate.

Woo hoo!

citytillidie

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It is to commemorate the lighting of bonfires on the 11th of July along the bank's of Belfast to help navigate the way for King Billys ships for the glorious 12th

Being from Northern Ireland i know what the bonfires are for. Just seeing comments of how it is Protestant culture and extension of their religion to do it. I was simply asking of it is Protestant culture why don't others do it

batistuta9

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's why they keep voting in more and more numbers for the party which has the principle objective of unification I suppose. :rolleyes:

If you think catholics in the north would join the south you haven't a clue

steddyeddy

batistuta9 wrote: »

If you think catholics in the north would join the south you haven't a clue

Let's put it this way. At best they're neutral. Wait for Brexit to kick in and see what happens.

whisky_galore

To be fair, they build more impressive bonfires than the crowd down here.

Here we have a random selection of tyres, the obligatory mattress/sofa and perhaps a (non combustible) shopping trolley.

Guess that's the Protestant work-ethic for you...

smurgen

Love how little coverage it all got in the independent. Few videos of the bonfires and an article on Scott Sinclair. They hate to show anything that portrays Sinn Fein or Republicanism as the milder, more rational side in the North

seamus

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Failing that just get the +50% vote for unification and pull the plaster off quickly.

Eh, no thanks.

I don't want to force the other 49% to join a country they don't want to be part of. Peace and safety on the island is more important than the colour of some flags or where a border line is drawn.

Come back to me with a two-thirds majority and then you might be onto something.

whisky_galore

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Failing that just get the +50% vote for unification and pull the plaster off quickly.

Bet everyone up there would love to be cared for by our tanking health service.

FrancieBrady

At least The Irish Times is facing up to the real issues still facing us on the island this morning.

Andy Pollack wrote:

McGuinness accused First Minister Arlene Foster of “deep-seated arrogance” and the DUP of rejecting his attempts to reach out to unionists, of “shameful disrespect” to women, gay people and ethnic minorities, and “crude and crass bigotry” to Irish language speakers.

In a follow-up RTÉ interview, McGuinness said there were many people in the DUP who “hate anything to do with Irish nationalism and Irish republicanism.”

As somebody who began studying the DUP more than 30 years ago (in the course of researching a biography of the late Ian Paisley), I recognise the truth in all these charges. I had hoped that their antiquated prejudices would have begun to diminish as a realisation that they had to share their divided little society with their nationalist neighbours started to dawn on unionists in a new century.

It is disappointing that the deep and overlapping anti-Irish and anti-Catholic bigotry of so many DUP-supporting unionists appears to still play a significant role in Northern life and politics.

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Back in 1986, I wrote about the people who followed Paisley as follows: “They believed they were inherently superior to their Roman Catholic neighbours because of their religion. They were ‘born again’ Christians, living in the ‘light’ of pure Protestantism, free men who communed with God without the interference of priests or man-made rituals. Catholics, on the other hand, were benighted and ignorant souls who were enslaved by the ‘darkness’ of Roman superstition, the idolatry of the Mass, and the rule of the papal anti-christ.


“Such a view tallied perfectly with the superiority they felt anyway as the descendants of the people who had ‘civilised’ Ulster. Thus the underprivileged position of Northern Catholics was nothing to do with injustice: quite the opposite – it was living proof of God’s justice in rewarding those who followed the true religion.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/anti-catholic-bigotry-of-many-in-dup-still-significant-1.2982216?mode=amp

firemansam4

Patww79 wrote:

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You may have a point at the moment, but things may change in the future, lets not forget that NI is heavily subsidised from the rest of the UK.
If in the future the economic argument to stay in the UK becomes less of an issue and there becomes a much larger catholic majority up there, then I think they may vote for a united Ireland.
And this hate fest every year will be one reason to persuade them to do so.

steddyeddy

whisky_galore wrote: »

Bet everyone up there would love to be cared for by our tanking health service.

I live in England and you can bet the NHS won't be free for much longer.

NIMAN

whisky_galore wrote: »

Bet everyone up there would love to be cared for by our tanking health service.

This is a serious point.

The gp surgeries in the north are packed full of people, constantly. It is a very sick place. My own surgery in Derry has approx 3 weeks waitinf list to see a GP. And from talking to other work colleagues, their local surgeries are all the same.

If there was a UI tomorrow, we would need to treble the health budget to have any chance of coping, and I'd guess that wouldn't even be enough.

And that's even before we talk about the huge number of unemployed and long term unemployable, which will massively increase our social welfare bill.

gooch2k9

steddyeddy wrote: »

I live in England and you can bet the NHS won't be free for much longer.

Sure up in the north there are areas where local GP centres have shut, reduced hours in others. Apparently money is there but because Stormont isn't up it can't be allocated.

FrancieBrady

seamus wrote: »

Eh, no thanks.

I don't want to force the other 49% to join a country they don't want to be part of. Peace and safety on the island is more important than the colour of some flags or where a border line is drawn.

Come back to me with a two-thirds majority and then you might be onto something.

The entire Unionist community is not bigoted and anti Irish - woman - and LGBT.

Many protestants were against partition at the time. Because it didn't make any sense.
You will, as the subsidy diminishes and Brexit takes it's death hold on northern Ireland see this opinion re-emerge.