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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match
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Outlaw Pete wrote: »I'll ignore the juvenile ad hominem about man crushes..................... but just to address this point:
Paulie was NOT bobbing or weaving. He was throwing a right hook ffs! And you're telling people to go see an optician!
Nope. Here's precisely what happened (evidenced by the above Gif):
1) Conor throws a jab.
2) Paulie immediately throws a right hook (which completely misses him)
3) Paulie becomes even more unbalanced than he already was.
4) Conor attempts a left hook (which ether just clips Paulie or just misses him).
Paulie is now (as you said yourself) "coming up" which means that Paulie is pushing against Conor's glove with the back of his neck (for that split second) just as much as Conor is applying pressure to him. Six of one, half a dozen of the other..
End result: Paulie goes down from a combination of eating shots, missing shots and being unable to regain his balance after having lost it.
No push down, no pull down....... was a knockdown or a at worst, a fall down.
Pete all that would be fine if you weren't ignoring the stutter in Paulies fall...that's actually the key to seeing what put him off balance.. It was the press against him..not to mention Conors cross step, any leg movement of that kind would nullify the power in a punch
Plus, if it was the punch he'd have hit the floor like a bag of potatoes..did he eat shots yes? But it's evident it's not what dropped him. The stutter in his fall was well after the punch
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Wonder, it seems that at some times you show good awareness of the gulf in class between the fighters, but at other times you say things like "when conor wins" or state that you think conor will win. Do you truly believe that he will win or is it just that you are a bit hurt by the perceived lack of respect for mcgregor and mma, and because of this are holding to your stance out of some sort of loyalty rather than logic?
I will be cheering on mcgregor, as most here will be I imagine....in fact his huge underdog status makes more people want to cheer for him....but he is a huge underdog for a reason.
I sense that deep down you are well aware of this and are kind of entrenched in a battle defending the honour of mcgregor / MMA at this point, but the more that happens the wilder the posts get, to the point where any claims to be in possession of a "strong evidence based posting style" must cease!
Just to add, I really enjoy reading your posts in general, prior to mayweather mania setting in on the forum
Thanks man.
Yeah I genuinely believe Conor will win. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way towards boxing or towards Floyd. In fact, if Conor was to box 12 rounds with Floyd in the gym 100 times, I would predict Floyd would win maybe 95/100.
Conor has consistently risen to the biggest occasions when all the marbles are on the line. The Mendes fight. The Aldo fight. The Alvarez fight. When the chance at history was on the line, he rose to the occasion in ways that honestly bring a tear to my eye.
Chance to become the first Irish man to win UFC gold against Mendes
Sinead O' Connor singing him out to one of the best atmospheres that will ever be remembered in MMA. The disappointment of the cancelled Aldo fight and late opponent on his mind. The huge production the UFC put into that event from the promos, to the walkouts, everything scuppered at the last minute. All Conor's training (checking leg-kicks!) for nothing against a stocky wrestler.
A few minutes in and he's on his arse. A few seconds later he's sliced open and bleeding yet he still didn't panic on his back after Chad had ragdolled him to the ground. He ate the elbows, he ate the punches, he stayed patient in his closed guard. It would have been very easy given the magnitude of the occasion to panic and waste energy trying to explode pushing off his hips to get up. It would have been easy to give his back up in a scramble.
It would have been even easier to panic when Mendes got hold of his neck. Team Alpha Male are no joke at guillotines and Conor is not renowned for his defensive jiujitsu. When he got up he wiped the blood from his eyes and threw accurate punches, he didn't just unload on him.
Chance to become the first undisputed Irishman to win UFC gold against P4P #1 Jose Aldo
The 13 seconds involved in that fight don't tell even half the story. You really have to take 2014 and 2015 in context to describe the pressure on his shoulders and how other men could easily have wilted under it.
Chael Sonnen fails all those tests 2014 and gets terminated by the UFC, despite being one of their most bankable stars. Anderson Silva gets caught early 2015 and by August gets the 1-year-backdated suspension. This coming hot on the heels of him signing a whopper 15-fight-contract with the UFC a few fights previously, losing twice to Weidman in horrific circumstances.
Come September we get the news that Nick Diaz has been suspended for a whopping 5-years for the marijuana debacle. The sight of Nick pleading the 5th Amendment in front of Pat Lundvall, as if he was on trial for murder, made the sport look like a laughing stock.
By October we had Jon Jones reinstated after his suspension for being involved in the hit-and-run on the pregnant lady but there were still serious question marks over his future. Would he mess up and violate his parole? Could he be counted on not to pull out after the mess of UFC 151 and the pull-out of 178? Would he stay off the cocaine or get into more trouble?
Come November we see GSP reaffirm he's in no rush to return from his retirement and hot on the heels of that we have a moment that sent shockwaves through the whole sport. November 14th was supposed to be Ronda turning up to bank a 1m+ PPV for the UFC in Australia, by throwing Holly Holm on her head, armbar'ing her and riding off to film her next Hollywood movie in between her next fight.
Instead, Holly Holm headkicks her not just into unconsciousness but that headkick shattered the perception of Ronda. The same Ronda being spoken of as a killing machine who could beat men was now reduced to a meme of looking like a day-one novice.
It's not just the fact Jose Aldo was a long-time champion, P4P #1 and phenomenal fighter, with ferocious leg-kicks, muay-thai and offensive jiujitsu -
facing that alone would be a challenge for anyone.
More importantly that any of that, Conor wouldn't have been human if he didn't feel the weight of expectation from the UFC, his employers, to win this fight and from the people back home in Ireland who believed in him.
The UFC NEEDED Conor to win. Going into 2016 without Ronda, without GSP, without Chael, without Nick Diaz, without Anderson, with question marks over Jon Jones, the sport could honestly have slunk into a years-long depression if Conor lost that fight in devastating circumstances. The UFC has been cyclical with ups-and-downs for the best part of it's existence.
Dana and Lorenzo needed Conor to deliver to ensure 2016 would be an up-year. They needed him to get in there carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders and get rid of the best featherweight of all-time.
Conor kneels down facing off Aldo before Big John is about to send them in to fight and says "let's go boy". After one exchange, and I'll never forget this, Conor flashes a massive smile to Aldo. It was the first UFC event I could actually afford to pay for so I got all the camera angles and I must have watched that camera angle dozens of times that night. Not long after he flashed that smile, Aldo bull-rushed him with the fake right-left cross combo and was asleep before he knew it.
It gets reduced to a 13-second meme but the truth is the pressure on Conor to win that fight must have felt unholy.
Chance to become the first simultaneous champion in UFC history
August 20th to November 12th is exactly 84 days. 12 weeks. Kicks Nate's leg 40 times in 25 minutes and leaves on crutches. He gets home and recovers and by September 26th you're on a flight to Newark to go to a press conference for your next fight, a fight in 46 days, his 4th contest in 11 months. A 6 week camp to prepare for one of the best grinding lightweight wrestlers in the division is the type of camp many fighters can make excuses with.
To go in there with a $17.7 million gate, beating records that had stood for years and decades - records held by the likes of Lennox Lewis and Muhammad Ali - to just stroll in there in a mink coat, to saunter to the 3-point-line to take a jump-shot on the home court of the NY Knicks like he hasn't a care in the world...
Honestly, wow.
I can't give you many good reasons why I think Conor will beat Floyd Mayweather. I can't tell you it's his power because Floyd has faced harder-hitters. It's not his speed because Conor's not that fast. It's not his timing because Floyd has seen it before. It's certainly not the fact he's a southpaw with a good left hand.
The reason I believe he will win this contest is Conor has blown me away with how he handles pressure. He handles it better than any person I've ever followed closely in any walk of life.
The bigger the escalation in challenge, the better he performs. He was better against Alvarez than he was against Aldo and the Aldo fight was better again from the Mendes fight.
I believe most of Floyd's opponents are overawed by the occasion. They freeze under the bright lights. They panic when their shots are not landing. They get frustrated, they chase, they swing wildly at times just looking to connect.
Conor won't be overawed. He won't get embarrassed or lose his composure. Floyd can make him miss 40 punches in a row and Conor has the confidence in himself to believe it will only take a couple to land to get rid of him.
I can't present you with a logical, evidence-based case as to why I'm so convinced he will win this fight but I truly believe the enormity of the occasion is an important ingredient in a potential win. He will outperform what we all think is possible against Floyd Mayweather and come away with the victory.
If I'm wrong and he loses, I've lost nothing in believing in him. In fact, on the contrary. Regardless of what happens August 26th he's allowing grown men (such as myself) to believe in fairytales. That's no bad thing.
For anyone saying fairytales don't exist, Conor's first post on Boards.ie was November 9th, 2011 and in it he was calling out Conor Dillon and Chris Stringer. Almost 5 years to that day he was sitting on top of the cage in Madison Square Garden, (where Muhammad Ali fought Joe Frazier and Floyd Patterson), holding up 2 UFC gold belts with his family by his side.
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wonderfullife wrote: »Thanks man.
Yeah I genuinely believe Conor will win. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way towards boxing or towards Floyd. In fact, if Conor was to box 12 rounds with Floyd in the gym 100 times, I would predict Floyd would win maybe 95/100.
Conor has consistently risen to the biggest occasions when all the marbles are on the line. The Mendes fight. The Aldo fight. The Alvarez fight. When the chance at history was on the line, he rose to the occasion in ways that honestly bring a tear to my eye.
Chance to become the first Irish man to win UFC gold against Mendes
Sinead O' Connor singing him out to one of the best atmospheres that will ever be remembered in MMA. The disappointment of the cancelled Aldo fight and late opponent on his mind. The huge production the UFC put into that event from the promos, to the walkouts, everything scuppered at the last minute. All Conor's training (checking leg-kicks!) for nothing against a stocky wrestler.
A few minutes in and he's on his arse. A few seconds later he's sliced open and bleeding yet he still didn't panic on his back after Chad had ragdolled him to the ground. He ate the elbows, he ate the punches, he stayed patient in his closed guard. It would have been very easy given the magnitude of the occasion to panic and waste energy trying to explode pushing off his hips to get up. It would have been easy to give his back up in a scramble.
It would have been even easier to panic when Mendes got hold of his neck. Team Alpha Male are no joke at guillotines and Conor is not renowned for his defensive jiujitsu. When he got up he wiped the blood from his eyes and threw accurate punches, he didn't just unload on him.
Chance to become the first undisputed Irishman to win UFC gold against P4P #1 Jose Aldo
The 13 seconds involved in that fight don't tell even half the story. You really have to take 2014 and 2015 in context to describe the pressure on his shoulders and how other men could easily have wilted under it.
Chael Sonnen fails all those tests 2014 and gets terminated by the UFC, despite being one of their most bankable stars. Anderson Silva gets caught early 2015 and by August gets the 1-year-backdated suspension. This coming hot on the heels of him signing a whopper 15-fight-contract with the UFC a few fights previously, losing twice to Weidman in horrific circumstances.
Come September we get the news that Nick Diaz has been suspended for a whopping 5-years for the marijuana debacle. The sight of Nick pleading the 5th Amendment in front of Pat Lundvall, as if he was on trial for murder, made the sport look like a laughing stock.
By October we had Jon Jones reinstated after his suspension for being involved in the hit-and-run on the pregnant lady but there were still serious question marks over his future. Would he mess up and violate his parole? Could he be counted on not to pull out after the mess of UFC 151 and the pull-out of 178? Would he stay off the cocaine or get into more trouble?
Come November we see GSP reaffirm he's in no rush to return from his retirement and hot on the heels of that we have a moment that sent shockwaves through the whole sport. November 14th was supposed to be Ronda turning up to bank a 1m+ PPV for the UFC in Australia, by throwing Holly Holm on her head, armbar'ing her and riding off to film her next Hollywood movie in between her next fight.
Instead, Holly Holm headkicks her not just into unconsciousness but that headkick shattered the perception of Ronda. The same Ronda being spoken of as a killing machine who could beat men was now reduced to a meme of looking like a day-one novice.
It's not just the fact Jose Aldo was a long-time champion, P4P #1 and phenomenal fighter, with ferocious leg-kicks, muay-thai and offensive jiujitsu -
facing that alone would be a challenge for anyone.
More importantly that any of that, Conor wouldn't have been human if he didn't feel the weight of expectation from the UFC, his employers, to win this fight and from the people back home in Ireland who believed in him.
The UFC NEEDED Conor to win. Going into 2016 without Ronda, without GSP, without Chael, without Nick Diaz, without Anderson, with question marks over Jon Jones, the sport could honestly have slunk into a years-long depression if Conor lost that fight in devastating circumstances. The UFC has been cyclical with ups-and-downs for the best part of it's existence.
Dana and Lorenzo needed Conor to deliver to ensure 2016 would be an up-year. They needed him to get in there carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders and get rid of the best featherweight of all-time.
Conor kneels down facing off Aldo before Big John is about to send them in to fight and says "let's go boy". After one exchange, and I'll never forget this, Conor flashes a massive smile to Aldo. It was the first UFC event I could actually afford to pay for so I got all the camera angles and I must have watched that camera angle dozens of times that night. Not long after he flashed that smile, Aldo bull-rushed him with the fake right-left cross combo and was asleep before he knew it.
It gets reduced to a 13-second meme but the truth is the pressure on Conor to win that fight must have felt unholy.
Chance to become the first simultaneous champion in UFC history
August 20th to November 12th is exactly 84 days. 12 weeks. Kicks Nate's leg 40 times in 25 minutes and leaves on crutches. He gets home and recovers and by September 26th you're on a flight to Newark to go to a press conference for your next fight, a fight in 46 days, his 4th contest in 11 months. A 6 week camp to prepare for one of the best grinding lightweight wrestlers in the division is the type of camp many fighters can make excuses with.
To go in there with a $17.7 million gate, beating records that had stood for years and decades - records held by the likes of Lennox Lewis and Muhammad Ali - to just stroll in there in a mink coat, to saunter to the 3-point-line to take a jump-shot on the home court of the NY Knicks like he hasn't a care in the world...
Honestly, wow.
I can't give you many good reasons why I think Conor will beat Floyd Mayweather. I can't tell you it's his power because Floyd has faced harder-hitters. It's not his speed because Conor's not that fast. It's not his timing because Floyd has seen it before. It's certainly not the fact he's a southpaw with a good left hand.
The reason I believe he will win this contest is Conor has blown me away with how he handles pressure. He handles it better than any person I've ever followed closely in any walk of life.
The bigger the escalation in challenge, the better he performs. He was better against Alvarez than he was against Aldo and the Aldo fight was better again from the Mendes fight.
I believe most of Floyd's opponents are overawed by the occasion. They freeze under the bright lights. They panic when their shots are not landing. They get frustrated, they chase, they swing wildly at times just looking to connect.
Conor won't be overawed. He won't get embarrassed or lose his composure. Floyd can make him miss 40 punches in a row and Conor has the confidence in himself to believe it will only take a couple to land to get rid of him.
I can't present you with a logical, evidence-based case as to why I'm so convinced he will win this fight but I truly believe the enormity of the occasion is an important ingredient in a potential win. He will outperform what we all think is possible against Floyd Mayweather and come away with the victory.
If I'm wrong and he loses, I've lost nothing in believing in him. In fact, on the contrary. Regardless of what happens August 26th he's allowing grown men (such as myself) to believe in fairytales. That's no bad thing.
For anyone saying fairytales don't exist, Conor's first post on Boards.ie was November 9th, 2011 and in it he was calling out Conor Dillon and Chris Stringer. Almost 5 years to that day he was sitting on top of the cage in Madison Square Garden, (where Muhammad Ali fought Joe Frazier and Floyd Patterson), holding up 2 UFC gold belts with his family by his side.
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