Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Eyes Down Field

EagererBeaver wrote: »

I've always thought that McGregor won't fight again, regardless of the result but if he wins, which I don't think had a hope of happening, given the middleweight fight a few weeks later, you've got to think someone would see there's a lot of money to be made there.

Canelo or GGG would kill Conor McGregor. That's not even funny. A boxing fight that might make sense for McGregor would be Malinaggi. Although I still see Conor losing a decision to an in shape, ready Paulie. At least it might be competitive.

wonderfullife

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

Canelo or GGG would kill Conor McGregor. That's not even funny. A boxing fight that might make sense for McGregor would be Malinaggi. Although I still see Conor losing a decision to an in shape, ready Paulie. At least it might be competitive.

I think it's fair to say you don't give Conor any chance against any active top-level professional boxer so there's no point in really naming too many guys

Personally I'd be more confident of Conor beating Canelo in boxing than beating Floyd but that's just a stylistic issue.

A lot will depend on next week, I'll of course adjust my opinion on that if we see a comfortable Mayweather victory.

Outlaw Pete

wonderfullife wrote: »

Maybe I'm being naive but if Dana is telling the truth about sending the footage of the entire spar to Showtime, do they actually trust Stephen Espinoza not to forward it to Floyd?

I don't know. Something fishy is going on here. Either Dana is lying or Conor's gameplan is very different to how he fought against Paulie, because Conor would have to assume Floyd is getting that footage from Espinoza.

Looks like Dana was lying:

The Executive Vice President and General Manager of Showtime Sports reached out to Sporting News to clarify what happened. Espinoza said White wasn't involved with distribution of the sparring session video which was sent to the premium cable channel by McGregor's team and the reason no video wasn't used had nothing to do with protecting Malignaggi.

"Dana’s misinformed here because we were dealing directly with Conor’s team on this," Espinoza told Sporting News. "We did not receive as Dana said, a ton of footage. We received a few short clips. Roughly a minute total which were provided by the Conor camp. We reviewed them and were very interested in using them and including them in “All Access”.

"But it was a series of sort of spliced-together McGregor highlights, eight or nine seconds each. We didn’t want to use the whole thing. It was sort of repetitive. We were told if we didn’t use the whole segment as they edited it then we couldn’t use it at all. So in the end, Conor’s camp withheld permission for us to use it. Otherwise we definitely wanted to use it. There was no intent to protect Paulie. We just wanted to cut some of the clips because it was pretty redundant, repetitive stuff."

wonderfullife

4 years to the day of the Holloway win.

3:55

"Dana giving me all this attention and putting this on me, these guys are making my dreams come true I'll be forever grateful.... [later] This feels like I'm dealing with a loss at the minute...[later] nobody critiques me more than I critique myself".

Champion mindset and showed since he was true to his word on the loyalty front because every lawyer worth their salt said he could have cut the UFC out of the Mayweather fight with a court battle but he showed loyalty to Dana by doing it the inclusive way.

https://twitter.com/MMAFighting/status/898292492700762112

wonderfullife

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Looks like Dana was lying:

"Pretty redundant, repetitive stuff"?

I'm confident the footage they sent over was Conor pinging the face off Paulie, they hardly sent over bad moments of the fight, so Showtime are clearly spinning this in their own way.

It's good news if there was "around a minute" of good clean footage of Conor landing on Paulie though.

Outlaw Pete

Paulie just retweeted the article anyway............. of course.

https://twitter.com/PaulMalignaggi

Eyes Down Field

wonderfullife wrote: »

Out of interest, how many of the above list do you think could beat Floyd next weekend? 47 before have failed, do you see anyone on that list that you would put money down to beat Floyd?

Maybe 1. Canelo has a shot, He's getting ready to fight GGG so although he has lost to Floyd before, He is now more experienced and has a better chance at success. But I wouldn't bet against Floyd losing to anybody, even now.

An honorable mention would be Spence, He has a shot, but again I wouldn't have any real confidence to bet against Floyd.

wonderfullife

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

Maybe 1. Canelo has a shot, He's getting ready to fight GGG so although he has lost to Floyd before, He is now more experienced and has a better chance at success. But I wouldn't bet against Floyd losing to anybody, even now.

An honorable mention would be Spence, He has a shot, but again I wouldn't have any real confidence to bet against Floyd.

Ok and I know this is a thorny issue in here doing "MMA maths" but I suppose the follow-up question has to be:

If Conor (somehow) wins next week, then you'd have to re-evaluate the assertion he couldn't beat any of the top 10 right? Like, you might still fancy other boxers to beat Conor but you'd have to at least give him a much better chance should he win.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if he can beat Floyd, he surely has (at bare minimum) a solid chance against any elite boxer.

cloudatlas

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Eyes Down Field

wonderfullife wrote: »

I think it's fair to say you don't give Conor any chance against any active top-level professional boxer so there's no point in really naming too many guys

Personally I'd be more confident of Conor beating Canelo in boxing than beating Floyd but that's just a stylistic issue.

A lot will depend on next week, I'll of course adjust my opinion on that if we see a comfortable Mayweather victory.

I'm sure there are some scrubs in the lower ranks he could hang with but against the top guys? I don't think so.

If you think McGregor would have any chance against Canelo, Then you are seriously underestimating Canelo. I'm curious, What Canelo fights have you actually seen since his loss to Floyd?

gilmour

wonderfullife wrote: »

"Pretty redundant, repetitive stuff"?

I'm confident the footage they sent over was Conor pinging the face off Paulie, they hardly sent over bad moments of the fight, so Showtime are clearly spinning this in their own way.

It's good news if there was "around a minute" of good clean footage of Conor landing on Paulie though.

I dont think mothers love their sons as much as you love Conor

Eyes Down Field

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ok and I know this is a thorny issue in here doing "MMA maths" but I suppose the follow-up question has to be:

If Conor (somehow) wins next week, then you'd have to re-evaluate the assertion he couldn't beat any of the top 10 right? Like, you might still fancy other boxers to beat Conor but you'd have to at least give him a much better chance should he win.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if he can beat Floyd, he surely has (at bare minimum) a solid chance against any elite boxer.

Again only a minor increase in his chance, The only way Conor beats Floyd is if Floyd makes an unpresidented and castistrophic mistake. The outcome of all 10 fights would remain the same.

I don't know any sports where that logic has ever worked.
If A beat B and C beat A, Then C should be able to beat B?
That's not often how things work out.

wonderfullife

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

If you think McGregor would have any chance against Canelo, Then you are seriously underestimating Canelo. I'm curious, What Canelo fights have you actually seen since his loss to Floyd?

Just the big ones. Cotto, Khan, Liam Smith.

I watched the Chavez "thing" as well but it certainly wasn't a fight it was one guy scared to get hit.

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

I don't know any sports where that logic has ever worked.
If A beat B and C beat A, Then C should be able to beat B?
That's not often how things work out.

Agree it's "MMA maths" and it never works but you'd also be foolish if, for example, West Ham beat Manchester United in a one-off game to decide they have no chance against anyone else in the top 10. They'd clearly have a respectable chance.

Even bookies factor in recent performances when pricing up the odds, so if Conor does beat Floyd, he'd likely be less of an underdog against any of the boxers you named.

hewhoscares

https://twitter.com/Ticket_IQ/status/898271893433847810

Ticket prices going down in an attempt to shift them. Looking like that record gate is unlikely.

pastorbarrett

Noticed Ariel seems to think it's very much Nate 3 next for an MMA bout. Knowing Ariel, he typically makes such pronouncements on more than a hunch. JK is obviously on record stating his avowed interest in number 3, but I suspect there's more to it than this...

The boxing training would dovetail nicely into prep for Nate 3 for obvious reasons, rather than takedown defence etc needed for other bouts. And obviously, it's the biggest money spinner to be had in the UFC.

wonderfullife

hewhoscares wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Ticket_IQ/status/898271893433847810

Ticket prices going down in an attempt to shift them. Looking like that record gate is unlikely.

EDIT - Counted the upper bowl there's 846 tickets left and the lower bowl (expensive seats) has just over 1,000. That total number of ~1,800 includes resale tickets. That would put the current gate at $61.9 million already sold (ish). Even if they reduce the remaining ticket prices by 30% (and sell them) it would still beat the May-Pac gate record of $72.1 million.

The narrative that ticket sales have been going poorly is a really strange one being used by people who want to dismiss the fight as a circus. The 2nd highest gate in boxing history was Canelo-Floyd and that was a $24 million gate. The highest gate in MMA history was Conor-Eddie $17.7 million.

It's already a whopping success.

everlast75

Segment on the business news on Newstalk about the fight this morning in terms of revenue and potential earnings..

Eyes Down Field

wonderfullife wrote: »

EDIT - Counted the upper bowl there's 846 tickets left and the lower bowl (expensive seats) has just over 1,000. That total number of ~1,800 includes resale tickets. That would put the current gate at $61.9 million already sold (ish). Even if they reduce the remaining ticket prices by 30% (and sell them) it would still beat the May-Pac gate record of $72.1 million.

The narrative that ticket sales have been going poorly is a really strange one being used by people who want to dismiss the fight as a circus. The 2nd highest gate in boxing history was Canelo-Floyd and that was a $24 million gate. The highest gate in MMA history was Conor-Eddie $17.7 million.

It's already a whopping success.

They will eventually sell every seat, as you say even if they have to sell some at a reduced price.

Effects

pastorbarrett wrote: »

Noticed Ariel seems to think it's very much Nate 3 next for an MMA bout.

I doubt Conor would take the risk of two defeats in a row.

Easy Rod

Effects wrote: »

I doubt Conor would take the risk of two defeats in a row.

I reckon you're on the wind up but any fight he takes post floyd is not a 'risk' and Conor will take the biggest fight possible regardless of the odds. The fight with Floyd pretty much guarantees he's transcended the concept of risk though.

Lukker-

Effects wrote: »

I doubt Conor would take the risk of two defeats in a row.

He risks the L fighting Tony or Khabib also.

user2011

Effects wrote: »

I doubt Conor would take the risk of two defeats in a row.

Fought Nate twice in a row, after losing the first. Was a bigger risk in this situation fighting both at 170lbs. When the third happens it's at 155.

D.Q

I would absolutely love a third Nate fight.

maximoose

D.Q wrote: »

I would absolutely love a third Nate fight.

Eventually yeah I'd like to see it. Much prefer if Khabib/Tony(or even Lee now I suppose) came first.

dulux99

Looks like Mayweather is going to trade at 1/3 today, with him winning by stoppage as short as 3/4 in places - that'll probably soon be evens. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd see Mayweather via stoppage at Evens

dulux99

Deedsie wrote: »

maximoose wrote: »

Eventually yeah I'd like to see it.  Much prefer if Khabib/Tony(or even Lee now I suppose) came first.

I don't get this, what right has khabib to a title/Conor fight. Ferguson should be top of the queue and I'd have lee ahead of khabib until he proves he can actually make weight.

What right has McGregor to fight Mayweather? Money talks in the fight world. McGregor vs Khabib would be a much bigger fight than McGregor vs Ferguson

Ush1

dulux99 wrote: »

Looks like Mayweather is going to trade at 1/3 today, with him winning by stoppage as short as 3/4 in places - that'll probably soon be evens. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd see Mayweather via stoppage at Evens

He's 11/4 by TKO on William Hill.

maximoose

Deedsie wrote: »

I don't get this, what right has khabib to a title/Conor fight. Ferguson should be top of the queue and I'd have lee ahead of khabib until he proves he can actually make weight.

I want to see him fight the winner of Khabib/Ferguson or Ferguson/Lee - still looks a bit up in the air which is going to happen.

The Nal

Deedsie wrote: »

I don't get this, what right has khabib to a title/Conor fight. Ferguson should be top of the queue and I'd have lee ahead of khabib until he proves he can actually make weight.

Conors next fight will be the winner of the Ferguson/Lee fight at UFC 216. Unless he plans on dropping the belt.

McGregor will want no part of Ferguson or Khabib if he ever gets the fight.

Swashbuckler

The Nal wrote: »

Conors next fight will be the winner of the Ferguson/Lee fight at UFC 216. Unless he plans on dropping the belt.

McGregor will want no part of Ferguson or Khabib if he ever gets the fight.

McGregor won't want Ferguson or Khabib you're saying? Why?