Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

CitizenFloor

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's not narrated by that lad with the shocking accent in the trailer is it?

It is to be sure to sure.....

Subcomandante Marcos

CitizenFloor wrote: »

It is to be sure to sure.....

FFS.

wonderfullife

darced wrote: »

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I won't even pretend to have the expertise to answer this question.

Jack Slack has done tremendous work over the last 5 years on Conor, including writing an article in 2014 titled "Conor McGregor is the future of mixed martial arts", so he was far ahead of the curve. (For the record Jack gives Conor almost no chance against Floyd).

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That stance has attracted a lot of attention because it is so much wider than the norm. It's often likened to a karate stance. No surprises there—he likes to move back and then spring in, and he doesn't move to the side all that much. The way you specialize your stance to move quickly to the front or rear is to make it longer and thinner so that you have a foot to drive off of in front of you and one behind you at all times. It's the same in karate, as it is in fencing, as it is for a boxer who really likes to use in and out movement on a line. There's no specific name for it, it's just how the human body accomplishes that goal best."


In terms of Conor's movement and footwork, it's pretty special (and different) if you believe the likes of Jack Slack but only because Conor cherry-picks what works from other elite athletes and implements it in his own game. Jack does a piece on movements and set-ups that Conor robbed directly from Saenchai, Lyoto Machida, Naseem Hamed, Floyd Mayweather etc but the unique bit is the way he melds them all together.

TL;DR - You might just see a bog-standard southpaw counter-puncher but he fights from a pretty unusual stance and the way he ties his footwork patterns together are pretty unqiue. He's not reinventing the wheel or even introducing new concepts, he's just taking the best bits from a Goodyear, a Bridgestone etc and making it his own.

darced

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Kirby

Deedsie wrote: »

I think he was so supremely confident against Alvarez he didn't have to employ his entire arsenal of mms skills. Alvarez approach was embarrassing, walked straight into shots.

Not Eddie's fault. He couldn't concentrate on executing plan "73!" due to the banshee in the front row screaming his name.

Also known as his wife.

wonderfullife

Kirby wrote: »

Not Eddie's fault. He couldn't concentrate on executing plan "73!" due to the banshee in the front row screaming his name.

Also known as his wife.

When I hear her my first thoughts are for their kids, can you imagine they are out playing on the green with their friends and she's screaming at them to come in for their dinner... I'd have been mortified at that age :pac:

Here's Urijah and Dustin breaking down the fight, well it's more Urijah waffling on lol but they all agree Conor himself believes he will knock him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhYBofHPT5Y

Wheeliebin30

Conors style of counter punching is exactly what floyd thrives on. He reads shots coming and knows when to hit.

If anything conors great style that has stood him so well might be his handicap in this fight.

Would love to see him just keep the pressure on floyd and not get dragged into a chess match.

johnpatrick81

Weird, I'm not even thinking bout this fight, and will be away Saturday night, so not gonna even try and watch it...

However I had the most detailed dream last night, where the first round was boring as hell but then suddenly Mayweather caught Conor with a big shot, and knocked him. He got up, and Mayweather knocked him out cold.

Serious question. Highly unlikely as it is, but say McGregor somehow suffered serious injury. Should the commission who verified this "fight" then essentially be shut down and investigated heavily? As they would in essence have put a below amateur boxer in with one of the all time greats?

RoryMac

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Serious question. Highly unlikely as it is, but say McGregor somehow suffered serious injury. Should the commission who verified this "fight" then essentially be shut down and investigated heavily? As they would in essence have put a below amateur boxer in with one of the all time greats?

Yes they should, the agreement on 8oz gloves won't help their case either if something goes wrong

walshb

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Serious question. Highly unlikely as it is, but say McGregor somehow suffered serious injury. Should the commission who verified this "fight" then essentially be shut down and investigated heavily? As they would in essence have put a below amateur boxer in with one of the all time greats?

I said this right from the start, and many people are saying similar.

It is quite reckless IMO to allow this to happen. Let us hope Conor doesn't suffer any serious injury.

Would be more the possible sustained beating that Conor takes as opposed to a one/two punch KO type scenario.

Rd after rd of steady consistent head shots. Where the referee is not stopping it because Conor is giving off the impression that he is ok and defending somewhat, and the corner are kind of oblivious to it and don't see the damage clearly.

Sofiztikated

walshb wrote: »

I said this right from the start, and many people are saying similar.

It is quite reckless IMO to allow this to happen. Let us hope Conor doesn't suffer any serious injury.

Would be more the possible sustained beating that Conor takes as opposed to a one/two punch KO type scenario.

Rd after rd of steady consistent head shots. Where the referee is not stopping it because Conor is giving off the impression that he is ok and defending somewhat, and the corner are kind of oblivious to it and don't see the damage clearly.

Is that not a touch insulting to the corner, including Tommy McCormack?

Frank Bullitt

Big fan of Wayne McCullough. He does a bit of MMA training now on the side and he did work for the UFC so he has some decent insights.

Says he offered to help Conor years ago, and he just never got back to him.

Decent listen.

walshb

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Is that not a touch insulting to the corner, including Tommy McCormack?

No, it's not....

I could say the same about hundreds of cornermen through history in boxing....

The fight hasn't happened yet. I am saying it's a possibility. Hardly insulting.

Eyes Down Field

walshb wrote: »

I said this right from the start, and many people are saying similar.

It is quite reckless IMO to allow this to happen. Let us hope Conor doesn't suffer any serious injury.

Would be more the possible sustained beating that Conor takes as opposed to a one/two punch KO type scenario.

Rd after rd of steady consistent head shots. Where the referee is not stopping it because Conor is giving off the impression that he is ok and defending somewhat, and the corner are kind of oblivious to it and don't see the damage clearly.

Correct. It would actually be better for Connor to get knocked out than to take that kind of beating.

I'm reminded of just a few years ago, Russian boxer Magomed Abdusalamov who took a 10 round beating from Mike Perez and ended up severely brain damaged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0MbrzfmWM

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Heres a question now

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Mr. Manager

What time is the main event expected to start? I'm not one for boxing so don't really know how undercards/prelims work.

walshb

Mr. Manager wrote: »

What time is the main event expected to start? I'm not one for boxing so don't really know how undercards/prelims work.

I think there are three fights before the main fight.....I'd say between 0500 and 0600 you will see the main event....

Las Vegas 8 hours behind Ireland. I don't think 0400 is a runner for the main event.


Estimated Start Time Fight
6:05 PM Andrew Tabiti vs Steve Cunningham
6:35 PM Nathan Cleverly vs Badou Jack
7:20 PM Gervonta Davis vs Francisco Fonseca
7:55 PM Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor

Mr. Manager

walshb wrote: »

I think there are three fights before the main fight.....I'd say between 0500 and 0600 you will see the main event....

Las Vegas 8 hours behind Ireland. I don't think 0400 is a runner for the main event.


Estimated Start Time Fight
6:05 PM Andrew Tabiti vs Steve Cunningham
6:35 PM Nathan Cleverly vs Badou Jack
7:20 PM Gervonta Davis vs Francisco Fonseca
7:55 PM Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor

Grim Vegas is 9 hours behind me

Maybe instead of staying awake I'll just get an early night before and get up

Sofiztikated

Getting up at 5am would be plenty, I'd guess. I'll get to see the Davis/Fonseca fight, as well as the main event.

It's not like either of Big Dawgs have a history of punctuality.

walshb

I think I'll do an alarm set....these Vegas cards I can't do anymore. They ruin your whole Sunday...

Sofiztikated

walshb wrote: »

I think I'll do an alarm set....these Vegas cards I can't do anymore. They ruin your whole Sunday...

Yeah, as much as I want to meet with the lads for cans and watch the fight, most of my mates are idiots and would have run well out of cans by 2am.

Up early, eat me Rice Krispies, and watch Floyd get the head pucked of him, that's my plan.

walshb

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Up early, eat me Rice Krispies, and watch Floyd get the head pucked of him, that's my plan.

And then it all comes crashing down!

wonderfullife

RoryMac wrote: »

Yes they should, the agreement on 8oz gloves won't help their case either if something goes wrong

This line of thinking is extremely insulting to all mixed martial artists and all boxers.

The idea that Conor has more chance of suffering a traumatic brain injury in boxing is as stupid as saying Floyd has more chance of suffering one in MMA. Both sports are inherently violent, dangerous and carry risks of injury REGARDLESS of skill level.

Michael Watson was clearly ahead on points against Chris Eubank when he dropped him in the 11th with that peach of a right hand. Chris then showed tremendous heart to get up to his feet and land that uppercut which caused the subdural haemmorhage.

The logic that someone stands more risk of being injured due to a skill disparity (and thereby being hit more) bears no basis in fact. Subdural and subarachnoid haemmarohages are responsible for over 95% of the deaths and brain injuries in boxing and MMA and they can happen to fighters who are easily winning the fights or losing the fight at the time.

It's crazy condescension talk from old school boxing heads. The bottom line is Nate landed 236 strikes on Conor over 2 contests including elbows to the head. Just because he's extremely talented in MMA will not save him from a traumatic injury, likewise Floyd in boxing.

There's a tremendous amount of bad luck involved for a professional fighter to be hit in the head in a particular spot that causes a blood vessel to rupture and swell. For Conor and Floyd they could take 3,000 shots to the dome in their life and be grand, for someone else that's unlucky the first shot they take could do life-changing damage.

Bottom line, whether it's MMA, boxing, kickboxing all these guys carry risks into battle, regardless of skill level. We have to trust Robert Byrd, John Kavanagh and Floyd Mayweather Sr. to do the right thing if the contest is a one-sided rout in either direction.

wonderfullife

This is fantastic stuff, Luke Thomas put together a great package of fighters discussing techniques for the fight. Dan Hardy, Brandon Gibson, Paul Felder from the MMA side, Lamont Peterson and others from boxing side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os_aIedSEJc

johnpatrick81

wonderfullife wrote: »

This line of thinking is extremely insulting to all mixed martial artists and all boxers.

The idea that Conor has more chance of suffering a traumatic brain injury in boxing is as stupid as saying Floyd has more chance of suffering one in MMA. Both sports are inherently violent, dangerous and carry risks of injury REGARDLESS of skill level.

Michael Watson was clearly ahead on points against Chris Eubank when he dropped him in the 11th with that peach of a right hand. Chris then showed tremendous heart to get up to his feet and land that uppercut which caused the subdural haemmorhage.

The logic that someone stands more risk of being injured due to a skill disparity (and thereby being hit more) bears no basis in fact. Subdural and subarachnoid haemmarohages are responsible for over 95% of the deaths and brain injuries in boxing and MMA and they can happen to fighters who are easily winning the fights or losing the fight at the time.

It's crazy condescension talk from old school boxing heads. The bottom line is Nate landed 236 strikes on Conor over 2 contests including elbows to the head. Just because he's extremely talented in MMA will not save him from a traumatic injury, likewise Floyd in boxing.

There's a tremendous amount of bad luck involved for a professional fighter to be hit in the head in a particular spot that causes a blood vessel to rupture and swell. For Conor and Floyd they could take 3,000 shots to the dome in their life and be grand, for someone else that's unlucky the first shot they take could do life-changing damage.

Bottom line, whether it's MMA, boxing, kickboxing all these guys carry risks into battle, regardless of skill level. We have to trust Robert Byrd, John Kavanagh and Floyd Mayweather Sr. to do the right thing if the contest is a one-sided rout in either direction.

You're kinda overcomplicating it a tad there. The point is, if McGregor gets badly hurt, all eyes will be on the decision to give this fight the green light. He has zero professional or amateur fights.

Just like if CM Punk had been badly hurt, it would look terrible for the organization sanctioning that fight.

wonderfullife

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

You're kinda overcomplicating it a tad there. The point is, if McGregor gets badly hurt, all eyes will be on the decision to give this fight the green light. He has zero professional or amateur fights.

Just like if CM Punk had been badly hurt, it would look terrible for the organization sanctioning that fight.

Yes but the logic that a huge gap in skills makes a fighter more likely to suffer a traumatic injury has no basis in fact. It's fair to say that *most* of the traumatic brain injuries suffered by boxers and mixed martial artists were actually when the skill levels were very similar in a tough contest.

CM Punk is a great example to be fair. He was little more than a day 1 novice going in against a genuine prospect and the biggest injury he suffered was to his ego.

Conversely, you can have guys like Michael Watson at the peak of his powers, probably top 3 super-middleweight in the world, dominating a supremely gifted opponent and one punch changed the course of his life.

You're right, if something bad happens to Conor people will want to blame someone and that someone will be the NSAC but if something terrible happens to Floyd, then who do you blame? He's been fighting in 8oz gloves his entire life.

johnpatrick81

That's not the point I'm making though. Simply that if Conor is badly hurt, NSAC are gonna look like absolute idiots. They had no grounds to OK this fight, none but $$$$$$$

We all know neither of them is going to be hurt. It's most likely gonna be scripted from start to finish. But if something bad happened to McGregor, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

discombobulate

discombobulate wrote: »

Leaving it fairly late to have it up here. Fingers crossed they do!

Live now for buying. Took their time

https://skyboxoffice.neulion.com/video/mayweather-v-mcgregor