Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Outlaw Pete

wonderfullife wrote: »

Good stuff, give it a few more weeks I'll get you to the complete dark side...

In all seriousness though, it'd be damn interesting to see who changes their minds in the weeks leading up to the fight. Not just on Boards but particularly those within boxing circles.... as seems to me that quite often it has come across as if many of them just want to be seen to be being loyal to their sport and don't want to be seen as endorsing some cage fighter as possibly being able to go the distance with a fighter that they consider to be the goat.

Just watching Nelly the rapper there (yet another salmon of knowledge ) saying that he believes McGregor will go the distance and more satisfyingly (for me at least) he had a go at that spoon that is forever going on about McGregor tapping out, as if it's somehow relevant in a boxing fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOeVj0dUaoE

jcd5971

I really want to say something smart about Nelly's credentials as a fight analyst, however the chap comes across as reasonably level headed and reasonable, I found it hard to disagree with what he was saying.

pastorbarrett

How much would people wager the Woodley win was to Conor's liking? I think he's had him in the crosshairs for some time. Doubt he'd be as keen on Maia, given skill-set.

Gamebred

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/891815407497170944


When does the panic set in an prices come down?

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/891815407497170944


When does the panic set in an prices come down?

The problem isn't just the prices.

It would have instantly sold-out if they sold them via comps i.e. all the big Vegas hotels etc and/or allowed multiple ticket purchases i.e. touts would have bought them all up.

The problem is they went with 2-per-person, "will call" and #verifiedfan to try get "genuine fans" into the fight. They then released a limited amount of #verifiedfan codes, and people were manipulating it, getting loads of codes believing they could sell the codes.

Even still, there's 14,000 tickets sold out of the 17,000 it's not like it's some catastrophic situation, that's already the bones of $55 million at the Gate in the bag, which already makes it the 2nd biggest Gate of all-time and 3x higher than Conor's MSG gate.

Gamebred

But for the biggest event ever there shouldnt be 3k tickets left, especially after the presser, I think the problem is the price of them tickets if someone has a spare 1500 quid they arent the type to be happy in the bleachers.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

But for the biggest event ever there shouldnt be 3k tickets left, especially after the presser, I think the problem is the price of them tickets if someone has a spare 1500 quid they arent the type to be happy in the bleachers.

But the mistake isn't the prices.

For the Pacquiao fight they only sold 500 tickets to the public.

That's how it became a $72.1 million gate, because only 500 regular joe's got tickets. The rest were all through comps, through the big hotels etc.

The issue here is that, for a noble reason, they decided to release nearly 5,000 to the public. It's a great thought - let the public have a chance to come to the fight - but in practice all the $500 and $1000 sold out in about 4 seconds leaving only the big tickets.

If they decided in the morning to sell those tickets via comps it'd be a sell-out.

IMO, if they were hell-bent on letting the regular joe's have a chance, what they needed to do is make the ringside seats $25,000 instead of $10,000 and that would have allowed them to sell far more tickets in the bleachers at $500 or $1000.

If you're a hardcore Conor fan and have a little bit of spare money, 425 euro/$500 is within the realms of possibility for a once-off event.

TL;DR - I wouldn't worry about the tickets, there won't be empty seats in the arena on fight night.

Mellor

Gamebred wrote: »

But for the biggest event ever there shouldnt be 3k tickets left, especially after the presser, I think the problem is the price of them tickets if someone has a spare 1500 quid they arent the type to be happy in the bleachers.

MayPac sold out quickly because hotels prebooked most of the tickets. Then handed out a "free" $1500 ticket to some guy who lls $10k on the tables.
The prices here are the same ballpark, but they restricted hotels block booking (ice no idea why).

Despite having the highest ticket prices, these events probably have the lowest % of spectators paying for their seat.

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

MayPac sold out quickly because hotels prebooked most of the tickets. Then handed out a "free" $1500 ticket to some guy who lls $10k on the tables.
The prices here are the same ballpark, but they restricted hotels block booking (ice no idea why).

Despite having the highest ticket prices, these events probably have the lowest % of spectators paying for their seat.

They restricted the block-booking because the fight was already being called a money-grab, so if they sold the tickets through the hotels like MayPac fans would be up-in-arms over it.

I.e. They tried to learn their lesson from MayPac but went too far to the other side.

But realistically, they could sell the whole venue out in the morning. There's about 3,000 tickets left, the big casinos/hotels would buy them all in bulk and throw them around to the highrollers in Vegas who drop tens of thousands in the casinos.

Django99

jcd5971 wrote: »

I really want to say something smart about Nelly's credentials as a fight analyst, however the chap comes across as reasonably level headed and reasonable, I found it hard to disagree with what he was saying.

While a lot of what he said has merit, if he thinks a bixers pain tolerance is 20 times higher than an MMA fighters that is bit of a stretch. Maybe slightly higher, but there's not much difference.

The big gloves don't make that much difference for the person being hit. The main difference is they offer more protection to the hands of the person punching, and also that the actual size makes them more useful for defending punches. But there's not a massive difference in being hit with a 10 oz glove and a 4 oz glove, or at least not the difference that's being suggested by a lot of people.

Gamebred

Ah come on theres is a huge difference in a punch with a mma glove and boxing glove, imagine Anthony Joshua punching somebody with a 4oz glove on they die.

DontThankMe

Gamebred wrote: »

Ah come on theres is a huge difference in a punch with a mma glove and boxing glove, imagine Anthony Joshua punching somebody with a 4oz glove on they die.

Well according to YouTube both gloves have the same force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRmOOWPTRBs

And everybody knows that YouTube is never wrong!

Outlaw Pete

DontThankMe wrote: »

Well according to YouTube both gloves have the same force.

Watched that before and it is very poorly done tbf as you would need a machine delivering the punch given that a human is not going to throw the same force each time.. far too many variables for it to be reliable.

Django99 wrote: »

But there's not a massive difference in being hit with a 10 oz glove and a 4 oz glove, or at least not the difference that's being suggested by a lot of people.

Ray Mercer and James Toney disagree from 2m20s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbAxheqajKg

Django99

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Ray Mercer and James Toney disagree from 2m20s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbAxheqajKg

James Toneys plan of knocking out Couture easily because of 4 oz gloves didn't exactly go to plan!

if there's any scientific articles on the subject I'd be interested to read them, I've seen that video before Mellor but it doesn't really mean anything.

Outlaw Pete

Django99 wrote: »

James Toneys plan of knocking out Couture easily because of 4 oz gloves didn't exactly go to plan!

Hardly relevant to whether mma gloves transfer more force than 10oz boxing gloves... :P

It's all about kinetic energy and force transference. Do you have a Newton Cradle in your home by any chance? Well if you do, put some padding around one of the balls and then see how it affects how it works. What you will see is that the padded ball would no longer either transfer the same amount of force as it did without the padding, or be able to receive the same amount of force either.

Another way of thinking about it is the reasoning of why you would rather be hit with a hammer that was inside ten pillow cases as opposed to one that was inside just one pillow case. Reason being that the force would be (somewhat) dissipated and the more pillow cases you used, the less and less force would be transferred to whoever's head was being hit.

It's why cars have bumpers.

Well the padding in a boxing glove works in much same way as it absorbs impact also.

The less padding in a glove, the more force from the punch will be transferred.

Which is why they use 16oz gloves in sparring of course too.

Django99

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Hardly relevant to whether mma gloves transfer more force than 10oz boxing gloves... :P

It's all about kinetic energy and force transference. Do you have a Newton Cradle in your home by any chance? Well if you do, put some padding around one of the balls and then see how it affects how it works. What you will see is that the padded ball would no longer either transfer the same amount of force as it did without the padding, or be able to receive the same amount of force either.

Another way of thinking about it is the reasoning of why you would rather be hit with a hammer that was inside ten pillow cases as opposed to one that was inside just one pillow case. Reason being that the force would be (somewhat) dissipated and the more pillow cases you used, the less and less force would be transferred to whoever's head was being hit.

It's why cars have bumpers.

Well the padding in a boxing glove works in much same way as it absorbs impact also.

The less padding in a glove, the more force from the punch will be transferred.

Which is why they use 16oz gloves in sparring of course too.

Oh I understand all of that (bit of a physics nerd) but my point was that the difference isn't all that much, particularly when it comes to pain which is what the original post I commented on referred to. Nelly (can't believe I'm even retiring this!) said that the difference would be about 20 times as big, now obviously that's exaggerated for effect but would it be twice as bad? I don't think so. 1.5 times as bad? I don't think so either. I've been hit by plenty of punches be it with gloves or bare knuckle and they all hurt, they feel different because of the amount of area that a big boxing glove covers compared to an uncovered cost but the pain is pretty much on par.

When you consider that the open fingers account for a decent enough chunk of the difference between what's covering the fist between 4oz and 10oz gloves, I just don't think it's actually going to make that much of a difference.

Outlaw Pete

Fair enough, well, the only study I know of that was done with a machine (and again, any study on this worth it's salt would need to be) was the following and their conclusions, after pitting the 4oz against 16oz, were:

Striking dynamics and kinetic properties of boxing and MMA gloves

Comparing  the  impact  characteristics  between  boxing  and  MMA  gloves, significant differences between gloves at each time sample were
observed. In general, peak  forces produced by  the MMA glove were 3.5‐5  times greater  than  the boxing glove. 




The  4  oz  MMA  glove  was  found  to  have  substantially  different  kinetic  characteristics compared  to  the  boxing glove,  displaying much  higher  peak  forces and faster time to reach peak force. These changes in kinetic characteristics can be inferred to affect injury potential of blunt force trauma. 

In  summary,  the  kinetic  properties  of  MMA  glove  differed substantially from the boxing glove resulting in impacts characterized by high
peak forces and more rapid development of  force. 

So while the '20 times as much' thing was of course just a purposeful exaggeration, I still think there's quite a significant difference between being hit with 4oz compared to 10oz.

cloudatlas

after 214 I'm just not as excited about this as I was. Anybody else feel the same.

Frank Bullitt

Gamebred wrote: »

I'm coming to the darkside, well not exactly but the more im thinking how this fight goes more im seeing a Floyd decision instead of ko, the 3.8 on betfair about it is massive an will be sub even money when Conor walks through his shots 5 rounds in and ko backers panic


takes headkicks elbows ect off bigger guys never mind off someone the size of Floyd its gonna be a beat down but im going Floyd 12 rounds to zip, ive done a 180 Floyd decision it is.

I find myself going in the opposite way faster and faster each day.

Maybe thats just me?

pastorbarrett

cloudatlas wrote: »

after 214 I'm just not as excited about this as I was. Anybody else feel the same.

No! When one of our own from down the road walks into the ring in a sport not his own against arguably its greatest ever proponent, I think i'll feel quite alright

Richard tea

cloudatlas wrote: »

after 214 I'm just not as excited about this as I was. Anybody else feel the same.

The press conferences were high octane. Im glad there is a little lull in the media for now. They odd tweet back and fourth is fine for now. I expect the media hype to pick up mid August.

Outlaw Pete

There's only so much of 'Shut your fcuking mouth' and 'Yeaaaaah, yeaaaaah... form voltron' a person can take without getting bored with it all. I hope Showtime do one of their no-audience face off interviews that they have done with Mayweather and other fighters the weeks leading up to fights as I'd like to see what they might say to one another when faced with decent enough questions and the guy that does them (Kellerman, is it?) does ten yo be decent enough in that regard.

Also Dana said "We're going to do UFC Embedded like we do for our fights.." so they might be more interesting than the All Access. Certainly needs something to perk people's interest in the fight itself now rather than the mayhem surrounding it.

The Nal

All well and good talking about the gloves but McGregor has to hit him first! I'd be surprised if he lands one meaningful punch. Anything but a Mayweather stoppage within 6 rounds and I smell a rat.

spix

The Nal wrote: »

All well and good talking about the gloves but McGregor has to hit him first! I'd be surprised if he lands one meaningful punch. Anything but a Mayweather stoppage within 6 rounds and I smell a rat.

Its a fist fight anything can happen and if mcgregor ko's him in 13 second it doesn't mean its rigged. Mayweather is only a human...a perfect record does not mean he's invincible

xtal191

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

There's only so much of 'Shut your fcuking mouth' and 'Yeaaaaah, yeaaaaah... form voltron' a person can take without getting bored with it all. I hope Showtime do one of their no-audience face off interviews that they have done with Mayweather and other fighters the weeks leading up to fights as I'd like to see what they might say to one another when faced with decent enough questions and the guy that does them (Kellerman, is it?) does ten yo be decent enough in that regard.

Also Dana said "We're going to do UFC Embedded like we do for our fights.." so they might be more interesting than the All Access. Certainly needs something to perk people's interest in the fight itself now rather than the mayhem surrounding it.

Unfortunately that's HBO so doubt we'll be getting anything like that

Ultimate Seduction

Sky Sports 19:99

Gamebred

https://twitter.com/MirrorSport/status/892041714537517056


20 pound sterling on sky.

The Nal

spix wrote: »

Its a fist fight anything can happen and if mcgregor ko's him in 13 second it doesn't mean its rigged. Mayweather is only a human...a perfect record does not mean he's invincible

Agree 100% yep, which is why Ill be watching!

But he needs to land a one in a million shot.

martyos121

£20 is a lot cheaper than I was expecting. It's the standard price for SSBO events but I really think they could've gotten away with charging £30-40 for this, but I'm certainly not complaining.

The Nal

Price is not confirmed though. Thats only Eddie Hearns opinion.