Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Outlaw Pete

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

I need more, new vids, sparing, sh!t talking anything, give me my fix.

This brief promo will have to do... for now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gaYn0yPeug

Frank Bullitt

Jason Quiggley was on Sky Sports, he says "Conor McGregor is gonna knock Floyd Mayweather cold".

He follows that up with "Conor believes it, I believe it and Ireland believes it", the last part gave me a chuckle.

He says that the stuff they go through in MMA, elbows and knees and stuff like that, plays in McGregors favour because it is harder on the body, and that Floyd doesn't have the power to hurt him.

We know who he is supporting anyway, not that it was ever in doubt.

Gamebred

Diaz elbowed Conors face in during that rematch and it hardly budged him, that type of stuff leads me to believe he goes 12 rounds once the cardio holds to 10 rounds, then Floyd showboats and runs for the last 2 as usual.

walshb

Gamebred wrote: »

Diaz elbowed Conors face in during that rematch and it hardly budged him, that type of stuff leads me to believe he goes 12 rounds once the cardio holds to 10 rounds, then Floyd showboats and runs for the last 2 as usual.

His chin taking the shots and his body taking the shots are completely separate issues to a mercy type stoppage...

I hope the officials and Conor's team do not allow the man to get beaten up and dominated and left to continually do so because either Floyd is prolonging it and not really whupping him for the KO, or that Floyd actually can't drop Conor for the count....

Like I said, the flow and action in ths fight is all down to Floyd's dictating.

Who do fook wants to see rd after rd of one man clearly beating another? All the while saying "maybe he knocks him out the next rd."

If Floyd shows up to perform that is what we will see until Conor drops or hopefully his team or the referee intervene.

Gamebred

walshb wrote: »

His chin taking the shots and his body taking the shots are completely separate issues to a mercy type stoppage...

I hope the officials and Conor's team do not allow the man to get beaten up and dominated and left to continually do so because either Floyd is prolonging it and not really whupping him for the KO, or that Floyd actually can't drop Conor for the count....

Like I said, the flow and action in ths fight is all down to Floyd's dictating.

Who do fook wants to see rd after rd of one man clearly beating another? All the while saying "maybe he knocks him out the next rd."

If Floyd shows up to perform that is what we will see until Conor drops or hopefully his team or the referee intervene.

What if Conor is covering up with a high guard and not getting lit up big time?

Probably not in his nature but he would go 12 no bother if he decided to play them tactic, Conors head is massive I would say theres a good chance Floyds hands break when they hit it, not getting a finish then.

Frank Bullitt

Gamebred wrote: »

What if Conor is covering up with a high guard and not getting lit up big time?

Probably not in his nature but he would go 12 no bother if he decided to play them tactic, Conors head is massive I would say theres a good chance Floyds hands break when they hit it, not getting a finish then.

Thing is though, he doesn't have to connect hard in order to knock him out, if its accurate and on the button, thats all it might take.

Granted, both men will have to connect in order for that to happen.

Outlaw Pete

walshb wrote: »

Like I said, the flow and action in ths fight is all down to Floyd's dictating.

Not saying it will happen, but if McGregor goes at Floyd from the start, pressuring him, how the hell could Floyd then dictate the flow of the fight?? It will be McGregor that will have dictated it, even if he then goes on to lose.

You seem to think McGregor is just a passenger and has zero say in the pace of this fight.

An absurd view from you.... as ever.

Outlaw Pete

A lot of this makes little or no sense, especially the analogy used re: G Ramsey.

He acts as if their options were only Freddie Roach.

Think they could live to regret their approach to the fight.

Hope not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfWknzWa4SQ

darced

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Gamebred

His subtle jabs at Freddie are gas, neck of him #winorlearn

Outlaw Pete

darced wrote: »

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No, common sense would be to say that no matter what McGregor does, Floyd will adapt and have an answer for it........... it is not common sense to suggest that only Floyd can dictate the flow and pace of the fight. They are two different distinct things. Of course Conor has a say on the pace of the fight. If Mayweather sat back and Conor brought the fight to him, then that would be Conor having a say on the flow and pace of the fight.

Seriously, do people even think before they give their views.

We get it. Mayweather is the pro-boxer here and should, theoretically at least, annihilate Conor.... but to suggest he is a docile passenger here is preposterous.

Frank Bullitt

Gamebred wrote: »

His subtle jabs at Freddie are gas, neck of him #winorlearn

Freddie Roach couldn't get Pac anywhere near Floyd, so lets not get him to coach (or even help) Conor with some sort of game plan or advise for this fight.

I can't quite get the logic on that one.

Subcomandante Marcos

Gintonious wrote: »

Freddie Roach couldn't get Pac anywhere near Floyd, so lets not get him to coach (or even help) Conor with some sort of game plan or advise for this fight.

I can't quite get the logic on that one.

#WinOrLearn only applies when you need to brush off a loss from an SBG fighter ya see, doesn't apply to anyone else, only JK and his fighters.

Outlaw Pete

Gintonious wrote: »

Freddie Roach couldn't get Pac anywhere near Floyd, so lets not get him to coach (or even help) Conor with some sort of game plan or advise for this fight.

I can't quite get the logic on that one.

I wouldn't even mind that tbh..... it's the 'logic' that because Freddie couldn't get fighters to beat Floyd, well then what's the point of getting any boxing coach.

Frank Bullitt

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No, common sense would be to say that no matter what McGregor does, Floyd will adapt and have an answer for it........... it is not common sense to suggest that only Floyd can dictate the flow and pace of the fight. They are two different distinct things. Of course Conor has a say on the pace of the fight. If Mayweather sat back and Conor brought the fight to him, then that would be Conor having a say on the flow and pace of the fight.

Seriously, do people even think before they give their views.

We get it. Mayweather is the pro-boxer here and should, theoretically at least, annihilate Conor.... but to suggest he is a docile passenger here is preposterous.

This though, is EXACTLY what Mayweather does, he is a counterpuncher of course.

He lets you try and attack and then gets you either before, during or after the attack. If he sits back and lets Conor come forward and catches him for the majority of the time, having a say in the pace would mean sweet FA.

wonderfullife

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

A lot of this makes little or no sense, especially the analogy used re: G Ramsey.

He acts as if their options were only Freddie Roach.

Think they could live to regret their approach to the fight.

His logic is amazingly condescending and flawed, as I've said before.

So he's basically saying:

"Freddie tried with Manny and failed, therefore he's no good to us."

By that same logic, why did he stay head coach for the Diaz fight? After all, he tried and failed there himself.

Oh, yeah. "Win or Learn".

So it boils down to this: "I, John Kavanagh, am capable of learning from my mistakes, but Freddie Roach is not".

Meh, I've no problem with Freddie not being involved but it's the pseudo-intellectual explanation that's fairly stupid. It's clearly an ego thing, he didn't want Freddie coming in because then Freddie gets all the credit if Conor wins.

The Gordon Ramsay analogy he used was fairly twisted as well.

Here's a better Ramsay analogy: If Gordon makes a mess of your beef wellington, instead of going home saying "he's not good enough I'll cook me own dinner", maybe trust his expertise to get it right the next time.

Ego stuff.

Outlaw Pete

Gintonious wrote: »

This though, is EXACTLY what Mayweather does, he is a counterpuncher of course.

He lets you try and attack and then gets you either before, during or after the attack. If he sits back and lets Conor come forward and catches him for the majority of the time, having a say in the pace would mean sweet FA.

Totally agree..... but it's still having a say in the pace and that's the only point I was trying to make, not whether it would or wouldn't be effective.

darced

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walshb

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Not saying it will happen, but if McGregor goes at Floyd from the start, pressuring him, how the hell could Floyd then dictate the flow of the fight?? It will be McGregor that will have dictated it, even if he then goes on to lose.

You seem to think McGregor is just a passenger and has zero say in the pace of this fight.

An absurd view from you.... as ever.

Don't be so ridiculous.........

No matter what Conor does, it will be Floyd controlling the flow and action.

You do know what controlling means? It seems that you don't understand the flow of boxing, and not do you appreciate or respect the sport's brilliance

Not always the aggressor, or the reckless one is controlling a fight....

Subtlety is lost on you, and more so when you are on the "attack" with your replies....

Ultimate Seduction

wonderfullife wrote:

Meh, I've no problem with Freddie not being involved but it's the pseudo-intellectual explanation that's fairly stupid. It's clearly an ego thing, he didn't want Freddie coming in because then Freddie gets all the credit if Conor wins.

It'll be Conor and Owen Roddy that'll get the credit. John said as much soon after it was announced. John is obviously helping but he'll have nothing to do with game plan, shot selection ECT.

walshb

Gamebred wrote: »

What if Conor is covering up with a high guard and not getting lit up big time?

Kind of a different scenario to what I described.

Outlaw Pete

darced wrote: »

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Even if that were to happen......... that would still be Conor having a say in the pace as he could just sit back himself and not press forward.... so if he does do what you suggest (and he may) it would be a choice he is making and what is a choice if not 'having a say'.

Tbh, I think people are confusing effectiveness with 'having a say' in the pace.

I see merit in the argument that McGregor won't be effective, no matter what he chooses to do.... but I seen none in the argument that Floyd will decide on the pace and flow of the fight.... particularly in the early rounds.

wonderfullife

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

It'll be Conor and Owen Roddy that'll get the credit. John said as much soon after it was announced. John is obviously helping but he'll have nothing to do with game plan, shot selection ECT.

Yeah, I mean I've nothing but respect for what John has done in Irish MMA and with Conor. People try to diminish his achievements and I'm definitely not in agreement with that. Andy Ryan and himself were awarded the first Level 3 Coaching credentials the other day and it's well-deserved.

I just find the arrogant pot-shots at Freddie Roach to be stupid. Freddie has achieved enormous amounts in boxing despite a degenerative condition and to take shots at him like that was uncalled for, condescending and came across very petty.

I'd argue Freddie is best-placed to give advice on how to beat Floyd because he trained Manny, was ringside and saw what worked/what didn't work.

Outlaw Pete

walshb wrote: »

Don't be so ridiculous.........

No matter what Conor does, it will be Floyd controlling the flow and action.

You do know what controlling means? It seems that you don't understand the flow of boxing, and not do you appreciate or respect the sport's brilliance

The sport's brilliance? Ah here we go. MMA can't compare to the wondrous sweet science.

Look, I know exactly what controlling means in the context of boxing. Floyd may be able to nullify attacks from McGregor with ease and also put him on the back foot (all possible) but it's absurd to suggest that nothing Conor can do will effect the flow and pace of the fight and that it's only Mayweather that can do that.

There have been pro-boxers that have come out and said that McGregor needs to control the pace of the fight and not let Floyd get comfortable.... do they not understand the sport's brilliance either?? Nauseating nonsense.

walshb

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The sport's brilliance? Ah here we go. MMA can't compare to the wondrous sweet science.

Look, I know exactly what controlling means in the context of boxing. Floyd may be able to nullify attacks from McGregor with ease and also put him on the back foot (all possible) but it's absurd to suggest that nothing Conor can do will effect the flow and pace of the fight and that it's only Mayweather that can do that.

There have been pro-boxers that have come out and said that McGregor needs to control the pace of the fight and not let Floyd get comfortable.... do they not understand the sport's brilliance either?? Nauseating nonsense.

I never said MMA can't compare

Yes, MacGregor does need to control the fight. I didn't say otherwise. I said that he will not control it. There is a difference there. Kind of like saying that Conor needs to win to win. Well, of course he does, but he won't.

But, you are backing Conor to win. Yes, a complete novice to beat an ATG...

Kind of tells me that you don't really understand or appreciate or respect the sport's brilliance...

That and plenty of other pieces from you regarding this event.

So, no matter what Conor does from bell 1 to the end of the fight he will have next to no say on how the fight is dictated. Floyd will call this...

Outlaw Pete

walshb wrote: »

I never said MMA can't compare...

Oh do me a favour, I've been reading your sneers on the mma forum for months now spelling out precisely how MMA doesn't compare to boxing.... with regards to not being as cardio intensive, explosive, specialist etc etc. Don't go shy now.

But, you are backing Conor to win. Yes, a complete novice to beat an ATG...

Kind of tells me that you don't really understand or appreciate or respect the sport's brilliance...

You have watched me try and defend the notion that McGregor has a "slim"
chance to win (in the early rounds of the fight) for the past month or so on the boxing forum and yet here you are saying I'm backing him to win?? lol What a spoofer :P

Show me where I have ever said Conor would win this fight and not just that he had a "slim chance" at doing so.

So, no matter what Conor does from bell 1 to the end of the fight he will have next to no say on how the fight is dictated. Floyd will call this...

Floyd may very well call it and he should given that he is the pro-boxer (and McGregor will be having his first pro boxing bout) but given that McGregor is also a counter puncher and Floyd likes to sit back and do likewise, I see the early rounds being something of a chess match and Conor absolutely will have a say on the pace of the fight. Floyd I sadly expect will have answers to anything Conor throws at him though... but that slim chance still remains that he utilizes his reach advantage and gives Floyd more than to think about than either you, or he, thinks him capable of doing.

But I don't expect you to agree, as afterall, you're the chap who gave YOURSELF as much chance of knocking out Floyd as you give Conor.

walshb wrote: »

He's a pro MMA athlete. I would give him .01 percent chance, about the same as I'd give myself.

pastorbarrett

wonderfullife wrote: »

His logic is amazingly condescending and flawed

In reality, I'd wager John is offering piecemeal half-truths for camp decisions which are Conor's alone, i.e. who exactly being drafted in etc. Sure, it seems suggestions are made to him - Paulie being one, for certain - but no doubt Conor vetoes/ approves on his own predilections.

Also, consider John's role in the side-show/entertainment aspect of things - something he clearly likes a dabble in, it seems even for his own kicks on occasion. Why not take a pop at Freddie, which is what he's really doing. He's mocked his fighter (Conor) on numerous occasions. I think it's less to do with John's ego or any kind of questioning of Freddie's coaching acumen (which I'd say John highly respects), and more of an exchange and opportunity to add a little hype. Conor sticking largely with his own is also very much part of his persona and story.

I don't like a lot of JK's musings, but I don't think this one warrants any serious examination.

wonderfullife

pastorbarrett wrote: »

In reality, I'd wager John is offering piecemeal half-truths for camp decisions which are Conor's alone, i.e. who exactly being drafted in etc. Sure, it seems suggestions are made to him - Paulie being one, for certain - but no doubt Conor vetoes/ approves on his own predilections.

Maybe.

I just think if he truly believed the "logic" he relied on, he wouldn't have Dashon Johnson in the camp because he was a part of the failed-Manny-camp too. If the logic is "Freddie failed, therefore why would we ask him?" then that should probably extend to Dashon too. Instead, Dashon has done the most rounds with Conor out of anyone.

You're right, though, it's very possible Conor is running the show.

MMayweather

Kavanagh is an absolute milksop personality. Cowardly almost.

He gave Dana stick for the way Dana introduced McGregor at the Press Conferences. As if Kav could do any better. He goes redder than Dana at even the most minor public speaking job.

He's a bully online as well. And spouts nonsense. What fighter, apart from Conor, has he developed ?

No serious MMA coach would have the social media presence that Kavanagh does. Has to plug that rubbish book as well I suppose.