Would you be ok with white Irish becoming a minority?

Jurgen Klopp

So I came across the fact that Ballyhaunis a small town in Mayo now has white Irish people as a minority only making up 40% of the town.

White Irish kids only account for 28% of the community school, think I read somewhere a lot of local parents are now sending their kids to the rural schools outside the town and away from the community school

The Guardian had some video put up in the last few weeks about how great such diversity is in the town so I found these articles

http://www.mayonews.ie/news/26885-social-cohesion-of-ballyhaunis-under-threat

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/life-in-ballyhaunis-irelands-most-culturally-diverse-town-369099.html

I don't mind taking in needy refugees and that for as long as needs be but in regards to simple immigration does anyone else feel extremely uncomfortable at such figures especially if it becomes more widespread?

Trying to make sense of it I was thinking if say somewhere like China started allowing in so many people that the Chinese became a minority in their own homeland it would seem fcukin nuts

KungPao

Absolutely not.

Victor

No mods about, so the racists come out, eh?

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Trying to make sense of it I was thinking if say somewhere like China started allowing in so many people that the Chinese became a minority in their own homeland it would seem fcukin nuts

How about you compare like for like? Ballyhaunis has a population of about 2,312 (and is still majority Irish), China has a population of 1,371,000,000. http://census.cso.ie/areaprofiles/PDF/ST/ballyhaunis.pdf

Area China 9,597,000 km²
Area Ireland 70,273 km²

From http://www.gcmap.com
Tripoli, Libya to Dublin 2,778 km
Ürümqi, China to Haikou Meilan, China 3,410 km

China is not a homogeneous culture: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/6h9781/language_map_of_china_2000x1700/ there is vast amounts of migration in China, especially from rural areas to the cities in the east and south.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China_and_Taiwan "Besides the Han majority, 55 other ethnic groups are recognised in China by the PRC government, numbering approximately 105 million people"

rachb

Victor wrote: »

No mods about, so the racists come out, eh?How about you compare like for like?

Area China 9,597,000 km²
Area Ireland 70,273 km²

From http://www.gcmap.com
Tripoli, Libya to Dublin 2,778 km
Ürümqi, China to Haikou Meilan, China 3,410 km

China is not a homogeneous culture: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/6h9781/language_map_of_china_2000x1700/ there is vast amounts of migration in China, especially from rural areas to the cities in the east and south.

Seriously?? Nothing racist about asking this!
To answer your question OP- No!
No town in any country should become a minority in their race!

Shpudnik

Victor wrote: »

No mods about, so the racists come out, eh?

There's still mods about. They are always watching.

On topic: I probably wouldn't be ok with it but I come from a really rural area with 3 generations of most families there so any outsiders tend not to fit in. A minority Irish would be inconceivable to most people here.

Junkyard Tom

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Would you be ok with white Irish becoming a minority?

Can you tell me when this is predicted to happen?

Jim Bob Scratcher

I'm gonna have to say yes, because I don't won't to offend anyone.

Atlantic Dawn

Perhaps people should have listened to the colonel, he offered a solution for less than €6 a head a year of us EU peoples...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/7973649/Gaddafi-Europe-will-turn-black-unless-EU-pays-Libya-4bn-a-year.html

Todd Gack

As a mildly attractive white Irish man it may make me more exotic so yes please continue with the proposal

RayM

Can't see it happening, tbh. And if it does... as long as most people are sound, it wouldn't bother me.

Right now, I'm more concerned about the burglar alarm going off in the distance. I hope it stops soon because I don't want to have to sleep with the window closed. It's fierce mild again.

Arghus

Yeah, I'd be totally sound with it.

Rabbo

It has happened in the North where the indigenous Irish people have become a minority and it hasn't turned out too well there

pappyodaniel

Ballyhaunis is a dump. It'll b nice to add a bit of colour to the place.

alchemist33

Rabbo wrote: »

It has happened in the North where the indigenous Irish people have become a minority and it hasn't turned out too well there

It happened in Ireland as a whole too, where the native Irish were taken over by the Celts. Hard to assess whether this was a good or bad thing though.

busheisha

Is color most important than culture?

Victor

I've added up the nationalities in my building.

French x 1
Iranian x 1
Romanian x 2
Arab (not sure where) x 2
Arab-Irish x 2
Irish x 3

The world hasn't collapsed.

judeboy101

No, the white Irish became a minority in northern Ireland after partition and look how that worked out for them!!

Richard Hillman

There are no records in the history of the world of where mass immigration worked out well for the indigenous population. It has never been done. It has a 100% fail rate.

rachb

rachb wrote: »

No town in any country should become a minority in their race!

That looks a bit...mangled?

Maybe it's early for me. I'll have another look later.

pickarooney

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There are no records in the history of the world of where mass immigration worked out well for the indigenous population. It has never been done. It has a 100% fail rate.

Paraguay?

deco nate

alchemist33 wrote: »

It happened in Ireland as a whole too, where the native Irish were taken over by the Celts. Hard to assess whether this was a good or bad thing though.

Weren't the Irish always "celts"? ?

Victor

deco nate wrote: »

Weren't the Irish always "celts"? ?

Nope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts

Will I Am Not

I live in one of the most "multicultural" towns in the country. It's changed the town for the worse, there's absolutely no doubt about that but people who don't live there and don't have to live with the crime and intimidation from young males with no prospects that it has brought would tell me how great it is to have such diversity

I don't blame the immigrants. It's just the natural course it takes when you do the same as what history tells you doesn't work.
Place thousands of Irish in a working class town in any country in the world that doesn't share the same values and with little opportunity for them and the same thing would most likely happen.

Immigration on a large scale could possibly work but not how it's done over and over again in every part of the continent that it takes place, but I guess the people that make these decisions aren't affected so...

NIMAN

Its going to be a VERY long time before white Irish are in a minority in this country, in fact it ain't going to happen.

If you compare Ireland to the likes of the UK, we have hardly any non-nationals at all.

Achasanai

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

I live in one of the most "multicultural" towns in the country. .

Which town?

Mrs OBumble

What is "white Irish" please? Does it include Travellers? People with swathy skin because of some family interaction with the Spanish from the armada? People with dark skin but three generations born here? People with non Irish surnames, eg de Burgo?

Will I Am Not

Achasanai wrote: »

Which town?

Balbriggan, it also happens to be the youngest town in Ireland according to the latest census release which comes as no surprise at all.

judeboy101

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Balbriggan, it also happens to be the youngest town in Ireland according to the latest census release which comes as no surprise at all.

I thought maynooth was youngest town?

Mrs Shuttleworth

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Balbriggan, it also happens to be the youngest town in Ireland according to the latest census release which comes as no surprise at all.

It has another nickname as I'm sure you well know.

Heard a nasty story recently about diseases spreading in the area that are never usually found in Ireland.

Will I Am Not

judeboy101 wrote: »

I thought maynooth was youngest town?

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/balbriggan-revealed-irelands-youngest-town-13292223.amp

donegaLroad

Driving into Dublin city centre about five years ago, I had to stop and ask directions to an address near Smithfield. The first three people I asked didn't have any English.. all white by the way. When i found someone who spoke English, he turned out to be eastern European.

dav3

donegaLroad wrote: »

Driving into Dublin city centre about five years ago, I had to stop and ask directions to an address near Smithfield. The first three people I asked didn't have any English.. all white by the way. When i found someone who spoke English, he turned out to be eastern European.

Imagine that, Dublin of all places. Dublin, a major city in Europe. Dublin, a city you can fly to from nearly anywhere in Europe for under a tenner. Dublin, a city you can fly to from nearly any continent in the world. Dublin, a city that attracted over 5.6 million tourists last year.

donegaLroad

dav3 wrote: »

Imagine that, Dublin of all places. Dublin, a major city in Europe. Dublin, a city you can fly to from nearly anywhere in Europe for under a tenner. Dublin, a city you can fly to from nearly any continent in the world. Dublin, a city that attracted over 5.6 million tourists last year.

I lived in Dublin a couple of times, 1999, 2001. It has changed a lot since then. You would have had a greater chance of meeting a Dub in the city centre than today.

Berserker

donegaLroad wrote: »

Driving into Dublin city centre about five years ago, I had to stop and ask directions to an address near Smithfield. The first three people I asked didn't have any English.. all white by the way. When i found someone who spoke English, he turned out to be eastern European.

Common enough in Dublin. You can walk down the likes of O'Connell street without hearing an Irish accent. In reply to the OP, I have no problem with the Irish, white or not, becoming the minority.

Barry Badrinath

No

suicide_circus

Can't happen soon enough.

The white man's culture must be eliminated.

Wibbs

alchemist33 wrote: »

It happened in Ireland as a whole too, where the native Irish were taken over by the Celts.

Nope. a) the "Celts" is a very braid description of different cultures from different places and b) it was far more a cultural change than a population one.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

People with swathy skin because of some family interaction with the Spanish from the armada?

Didn't happen.

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

No

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can't happen soon enough.

What?

The white man's culture must be eliminated.

What the actual fuck? The white man's culture must be eliminated eh? And what do you suggest it gets replaced by? This should be good. The level of self hate among some is beyond comprehension to me.

LordSutch

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Would you be ok with white Irish becoming a minority?

So I came across the fact that Ballyhaunis a small town in Mayo now has white Irish people as a minority only making up 40% of the town.

White Irish kids only account for 28% of the community school, think I read somewhere a lot of local parents are now sending their kids to the rural schools outside the town and away from the community school

NO.

I think its been a disaster in parts of England & France, France more so because immigrants are not expected to integrate into French society/culture, hence there are immigrant ghettoes in France which are not actually part of France & the people are not integrated into French culture.

Some towns in England are now 60% immigrant.

Immigration is fine & to be welcomed, if its controlled.

Harry Palmr

Has anyone worked out how long this would take?

If it breeds out the gingers I'm all in favour.

Board.surf

Be ok with it? What a ridiculous question. It's not something that someone controls or has a say in. If an Irish person marries a Latin or black person, there kids won't be white. If it happens it happens. I would be questioning the moral value of your intentions here more so than anything else. This would be like e asking:

Men, would you be ok with women being in charge of everything. In some industries the majority of bosses are women and in some countries, they have refused to hire men.


It simply appears that you are trying to get a rise out of racists and are eager to create a heated discussion against non white people. You've given the most extreme and biased example possible. The irony is that I say this article today and was just thinking how far Ireland has come from the olden racist, pig days.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ex78dBceVV8&feature=player_embedded

In reality, just like in the early days of the US success story, if your local culture is strong enough it will make people want to integrate and become Irish. If it's pathetic and hateful toward noobs, they will hate it and build their own China town.

Nationality is nothing more than proximity and location. You were lucky to be born in Ireland and your question literally asks if you are comfortable sharing what you feel entitled to, with people that you think aren't entitled to those resources. You're entitlement comes from where you were born or your parent was born.

hairyslug

In time, granted we would be looking at a long long way away, won't there, internationally, be only 1 predominant race with breeding between races where (as the Spice Girls put it) we all become one.

Samaris

Well, no-one can seem to agree what the scary new majority will be. Will it be Middle Easterners, Africans, Eastern Europeans, Americans or British retirees if Spain gets fed up with them? It makes it very difficult to decide based on a vague scaremonger. And it changes every decade that we actually manage to have net immigration rather than net emigration anyway.

I'm actually pretty okay with diluting our national gene pool a bit, tbh. It's kinda needed. Maybe we could end up having only the second or third highest rate of cystic fibrosis in the world. Cultural subsumation is a different story, but it's a bit airy-fairy as to its likelihood of happening. It's -possible-. It's not incredibly likely and Ireland does not have a large enough influx of immigrants from anywhere to dominate the national character. Even the Irish in America only managed it in small portions, generally a couple of cities or regions within cities.

There is a bit of irony to the Irish complaining about immigration. Not that we shouldn't be allowed to talk about it, just it is amusingly ironic.

Wibbs

hairyslug wrote: »

In time, granted we would be looking at a long long way away, won't there, internationally, be only 1 predominant race with breeding between races where (as the Spice Girls put it) we all become one.

Hopefully not. More diversity is better, not less. For all sorts of reasons, not least biologically. I also can't see it happening any time soon. The vast majority of people end up having kids with people from within their own population group. Even in countries whose foundation is immigration this remains the trend.

Wibbs

Samaris wrote: »

There is a bit of irony to the Irish complaining about immigration. Not that we shouldn't be allowed to talk about it, just it is amusingly ironic.

Not this tried old argument again? 1) the countries we emigrated to were in the overwhelming majority of cases nations founded on immigration(the UK being the exception). 2) for the overwhelming majority of Irish emigres there were no social or fiscal safety nets like the Irish social welfare system.

RandomName2

Nations are defined by nationality. Two world wars were fought, partly to bring about that consensus. If it were ever the case that Ireland ceased to be mainly Irish, the point of its entire existence becomes questionable. Spice in a dish is one thing, but you can't have a dish be predominantly spice or it becomes inedible.

Will I Am Not

Samaris wrote: »

Well, no-one can seem to agree what the scary new majority will be. Will it be Middle Easterners, Africans, Eastern Europeans, Americans or British retirees if Spain gets fed up with them? It makes it very difficult to decide based on a vague scaremonger. And it changes every decade that we actually manage to have net immigration rather than net emigration anyway.

I'm actually pretty okay with diluting our national gene pool a bit, tbh. It's kinda needed. Maybe we could end up having only the second or third highest rate of cystic fibrosis in the world. Cultural subsumation is a different story, but it's a bit airy-fairy as to its likelihood of happening. It's -possible-. It's not incredibly likely and Ireland does not have a large enough influx of immigrants from anywhere to dominate the national character. Even the Irish in America only managed it in small portions, generally a couple of cities or regions within cities.

There is a bit of irony to the Irish complaining about immigration. Not that we shouldn't be allowed to talk about it, just it is amusingly ironic.

Yeah because African and Middle Eastern countries are disease free.

Is this actually what people are using in the "for" column?

Samaris

Wibbs wrote: »

Hopefully not. More diversity is better, not less. For all sorts of reasons, not least biologically. I also can't see it happening any time soon. The vast majority of people end up having kids with people from within their own population group. Even in countries whose foundation is immigration this remains the trend.

Yiiis, I don't really see it happening that much either. Sheer mathematics makes it unlikely - although of course there is the potential introduction of other elements we don't currently have that might make it more likely. Diversity will continue, particularly so long as world populations inhabit different parts of the world and have adapted at population levels -to- live in those particular parts of the world. Now, if we all had to cram into the same latitude in the north, say, Siberia/Greenland's north to approximately southern Ireland, that enforced mix could homogenise the survivors eventually (taking climate catastrophe as a potential "extreme" factor that throws current balances off).

But as it stands, it all appears extremely unlikely. Mind you, it would be -less- likely if whites didn't continue to vaguely stand on the "one drop" rule (as evidenced by boards.surf's comment above regarding the child of a white and a Latin person is not white - they're not Latin either by the same rule, and if the rule isn't the same, it's a social construct of nonsense). If we're going on the elimination of the Irish via the potential of a black or Chinese person marrying into a family and corrupting its whiteness, yeah, the white Irish population may ultimately be doomed and all. Bit extreme though.

Board.surf

Wibbs wrote: »

Not this tried old argument again? 1) the countries we emigrated to were in the overwhelming majority of cases nations founded on immigration(the UK being the exception). 2) for the overwhelming majority of Irish emigres there were no social or fiscal safety nets like the Irish social welfare system.

You may want to read a history book. England isn't as old of a nation as people let on. It's made up of Norman's, Anglo saxons, prussians, Irish etc. After the collapse of Rome, the Inhabitants of Britain were completely seperate to those who immigrated there and now occupy the land.

RandomName2

Samaris wrote: »

There is a bit of irony to the Irish complaining about immigration. Not that we shouldn't be allowed to talk about it, just it is amusingly ironic.

As true as that is, America is somewhat bigger than Ireland.

Samaris

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Yeah because African and Middle Eastern countries are disease free.

Is this actually what people are using in the "for" column?

Hrm, I don't think you quite understand the concepts of population genetics and the results of a limited genepool with net emigration over generations. It is an inevitable result for an isolated island population and a few fresh influxes of new genes is far more healthy than otherwise. It's the same thing as intermarriage within families on a rather larger, but still genetically limited, scale.

Board.surf

NEW QUESTION!

Would you be ok with a town in Ireland that wasn't good enough for a lot of Irish people,to live in, being inhabited by people from another culture?

Irish people leave small towns in their droves to leave the country as a whole. How can we then turn around and say that nobody can marry a foreigner or a foreigner can't enter and live where we deem insufficient for our needs?