Would you be ok with white Irish becoming a minority?

dav3

Raycyst wrote: »

It is the authorities who are traitors to Ireland...

Only one mention of traitors this morning? It appears your stance is softening.

DaniilKharms

Raycyst wrote: »

Do Irish people have any control over their own country?

I consider politicans have betrayed the people of Ireland, in the same way people have been betrayed before.

How many scandals must there be in the police before the Irish can have a police force we can rely upon?

Why do councils prevent people from using their own property on 'visual amenity grounds' but yet our streets must be ruined by being covered in women who are clearly enslaved, and foreign criminals.

I'm clear that it is the irish people who support this who are the real enemy. Betrayal from within is always more dangerous than an external enemy who is obvious to everyone.


Islam couldn't gain a foothold in this country without collusion from authorites. It is the authorities who are traitors to Ireland, and seemingly only for pats on the head.

Our government refuses to take taxes from Apple while threatening ordinary people with prison and public humiliation. What's wrong with this country?

I have reported you and this post, for racist hate mongering.

I appreciate you're allowed to believe the vile dishonest garbage you spew, but I'm not sure Boards has to host it.

I hope you are banned, and I hope that any further posts like this are wiped off Boards.

I will happily delete my account rather than share a space with someone so actively engaged in spreading lies that will inflame racism and hatred.

You are doing a massive disservice to Ireland as well, making it look intolerant, backwards and hate-filled.

I hope you have some experience that clues you up, so that you can sort out whatever personal issues you clearly have that make you so egregiously and transparently and deliberately mean, but until then I will not simply standby while you try and damage the country I and my family live in.

I'd hope others would also take a stand on this, but I know I may be alone.

Either way though, I won't simply shut up while you wreak havoc.

Raycyst

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I'm not here to troll the thread.

If people are receptive to my message then saying it once is enough.

DaniilKharms

Raycyst wrote: »

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I'm not here to troll the thread.

If people are receptive to my message then saying it once is enough.

The fact that admit that you are actively trying to spread racist and bigoted hatred through Boards kinda says it all.

Your message is based on misrepresenting facts, fear-mongering and your own personal fears. It has nothing to do with reality, except that you're really a dangerous person doing real harm.

Raycyst

DaniilKharms wrote: »

The fact that admit that you are actively trying to spread racist and bigoted hatred through Boards kinda says it all.

I never admitted that, or anything like that. You're clearly delusional.

DaniilKharms wrote: »

Your message is based on misrepresenting facts, fear-mongering and your own personal fears. It has nothing to do with reality, except that you're really a dangerous person doing real harm.

You haven't pointed out a single misrepresented fact.

Attack the post please, not the poster.

Sven Hassel

DaniilKharms wrote: »

I have reported you and this post, for racist hate mongering.

I appreciate you're allowed to believe the vile dishonest garbage you spew, but I'm not sure Boards has to host it.

I hope you are banned, and I hope that any further posts like this are wiped off Boards.

I will happily delete my account rather than share a space with someone so actively engaged in spreading lies that will inflame racism and hatred.

You are doing a massive disservice to Ireland as well, making it look intolerant, backwards and hate-filled.

I hope you have some experience that clues you up, so that you can sort out whatever personal issues you clearly have that make you so egregiously and transparently and deliberately mean, but until then I will not simply standby while you try and damage the country I and my family live in.

I'd hope others would also take a stand on this, but I know I may be alone.

Either way though, I won't simply shut up while you wreak havoc.

Calm down dear.

DaniilKharms

Sven Hassel wrote: »

I want our country to always be majority white Irish. What's wrong with that?

I guess racists have to stick together.

Sven Hassel

yourdeadwright wrote: »

who cares
If people live here and are nice people who cares if there white Irish or any other colour and nation ,
its 2017 as long as people are decent who cares , infact as long as they don't cause problems who cares , White irish moved all over the world so who are we to complain , People are the same regardless of colour or nation ,

You first comment is painfully naive. You are saying all the tribes of man can move to Europe and and for the first time in human everyone will be one big happy family.

Your second comment about the Irish having a history of emigration is not an argument and barely above contempt. So we should let everyone in because we had emigrated ourselves in the past? That's a great plan.

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'm talking about Ireland.

I'm saying, we're better off now that at pretty much any point in our history - do you agree or disagree?

You question is far too simplistic. What are the metrics to say life is better now? You can afford to go to college and earn a worthless degree but your grandfather could afford to raise a family on one income, so which is better and which is worse?

And if you're suggesting we are superior to the people of the past, you are wrong.

Boom_Bap

Keep this on topic please without attacking each other.

Sven Hassel

DaniilKharms wrote: »

I guess racists have to stick together.

Why would anyone accept becoming a minority? Say millions of Europeans were heading to North African countries, and the people of these countries were concerned about the impact of this massive migration, and were concerned about future demographics of their countries, would you call them racist?

Will I Am Not

DaniilKharms wrote: »

I have reported you and this post, for racist hate mongering.

I appreciate you're allowed to believe the vile dishonest garbage you spew, but I'm not sure Boards has to host it.

I hope you are banned, and I hope that any further posts like this are wiped off Boards.

I will happily delete my account rather than share a space with someone so actively engaged in spreading lies that will inflame racism and hatred.

You are doing a massive disservice to Ireland as well, making it look intolerant, backwards and hate-filled.

I hope you have some experience that clues you up, so that you can sort out whatever personal issues you clearly have that make you so egregiously and transparently and deliberately mean, but until then I will not simply standby while you try and damage the country I and my family live in.

I'd hope others would also take a stand on this, but I know I may be alone.

Either way though, I won't simply shut up while you wreak havoc.

Are you Marvel or DC?

sbsquarepants

Sven Hassel wrote: »

You first comment is painfully naive. You are saying all the tribes of man can move to Europe and and for the first time in human everyone will be one bug happy family.

Your second comment about the Irish having a history of emigration is not an argument and barely above contempt. So we should let everyone in because we had emigrated ourselves in the past? That's a great plan..

People can and do get past past differences - you've heard I'm sure of WW1 and WW2 - and yet we have the EU now, the French and the Germans for example are bossom buddies these days.

And given our history of travelling everywhere and anywhere, it's hypocritical in the extreme to say no to people coming here. Do you not think?

Sven Hassel wrote: »

You question is far too simplistic. What are the metrics to say life is better now? You can afford to go to college and earn a worthless degree but your grandfather could afford to raise a family on one income, so which is better and which is worse?

And if you're suggesting we are superior to the people of the past, you are wrong.

Superior to people of the past? I'm not even sure what that means - you quite probably don't even know yourself.

What metrics are we better off by? By each and every metric I can think of. Health, education, freedom, opportunity, financial, comfort - you name it.
I can do things on a whim that my grandfather couldn't dare to dream of doing, and I'm just an average joe soap - not some high flying dot.com gazillionaire.

Tell me 1 single metric we are worse off by in fact? (not having to look at foreigners doesn't count!)

I'm raising a family on a single income and I can absolutely guarantee that myself, my missus and my kids are a lot more comfortable than my grandfathers or their families were.

Alun

bannedyetagain wrote: »

plagiarism

https://libertygb.org.uk/news/what-racism

sbsquarepants

Sven Hassel wrote: »

Why would anyone accept becoming a minority? Say millions of Europeans were heading to North African countries, and the people of these countries were concerned about the impact of this massive migration, and were concerned about future demographics of their countries, would you call them racist?

People leave this tiny little island and go live in places where they are magically transformed into minorities all the time. They seem to survive pretty much intact.

Sven Hassel

sbsquarepants wrote: »

People leave this tiny little island and go live in places where they are magically transformed into minorities all the time. They seem to survive pretty much intact.

Yes they move to other people's countries. They don't become a minority in their own country?

And your answer to my question?

Sven Hassel

sbsquarepants wrote: »

People can and do get past passed differences - you've heard I'm sure of WW1 and WW2 - and yet we have the EU now, the French and the Germans for example are bossom buddies these days.

And given our history of travelling everywhere and anywhere, it's hypocritical in the extreme to say no to people coming here. Do you not think?




Superior to people of the past? I'm not even sure what that means - you quite probably don't even know yourself.

What metrics are we better off by? By each and every metric I can think of. Health, education, freedom, opportunity, financial, comfort - you name it.
I can do things on a whim that my grandfather couldn't dare to dream of doing, and I'm just an average joe soap - not some high flying dot.com gazillionaire.

Tell me 1 single metric we are worse off by in fact? (not having to look at foreigners doesn't count!)

I'm raising a family on a single income and I can absolutely guarantee that myself, my missus and my kids are a lot more comfortable than my grandfathers or their families were.

There seems to be strain of thinking that because we have better technology we are somehow more intelligent than those of the past.

So if life today is so much better, why threaten it with mass immigration and failed multi cult? Why not have a sensible migration policy?

fisgon

Sven Hassel wrote: »

So we should let everyone in because we had emigrated ourselves in the past? That's a great plan.

You hear this strawman from lots of people of your particular viewpoint.

The strawman is this: those naive, lefty, liberal, PC-gone-mad, Muslim-loving multiculturalists want to left EVERYONE in so we will be swamped in our own land.

You hear it from George Hook, from the Daily Mail, from every manner of fearmongering nationalist. Of course, the key thing it that it is a lie. Not just an exaggeration, a lie, to stir up fear, hatred and to make ignorant people afraid.

No-one is advocating unrestricted immigration. Not the most left wing internationalist, not PBP, not the Irish immigrant council, and certainly not normal, everyday people who see your brand of rhetoric as hateful and just a cover for a dislike of everyone who is not white.

Just with Trump, the KKK and Le Pen, it is all built on lies, fear and hatred of anyone that is different.

Sven Hassel

fisgon wrote: »

You hear this strawman from lots of people of your particular viewpoint.

The strawman is this: those naive, lefty, liberal, PC-gone-mad, Muslim-loving multiculturalists want to left EVERYONE in so we will be swamped in our own land.

You hear it from George Hook, from the Daily Mail, from every manner of fearmongering nationalist. Of course, the key thing it that it is a lie. Not just an exaggeration, a lie, to stir up fear, hatred and to make ignorant people afraid.

No-one is advocating unrestricted immigration. Not the most left wing internationalist, not PBP, not the Irish immigrant council, and certainly not normal, everyday people who see your brand of rhetoric as hateful and just a cover for a dislike of everyone who is not white.

Just with Trump, the KKK and Le Pen, it is all built on lies, fear and hatred.

If that is true then your side is just a guilty. Calling anyone who is concerned about mass immigration and demographics an evil Nazi and KKK fan.

fisgon

Raycyst wrote: »

Councils refuse planning on visual amenity grounds. Having the streets full of women in burkas destroys streets in my view. I ring 911 when I see masked people on our streets, unless it's very cold.

This guy is a troll. Do not feed.

sbsquarepants

Sven Hassel wrote: »

There seems to be strain of thinking that because we have better technology we are somehow more intelligent than those of the past.?

Education is what makes us smarter not technology. The average person todays is a lot smarter than the average person 50 or 100 years ago.
It's not like if Einstein was in school today he'd be in the slow class or anything, but on average it's an upwards trend.

Sven Hassel wrote: »

So if life today is so much better, why threaten it with mass immigration and failed multi cult? Why not have a sensible migration policy?

If life today is so much better - how could this "multi cult" be failed.
I'm not sure what a multi cult is - but I assume you mean the durty foreigners?

Or do you not agree life is better? If not - how so, what makes it worse?

fisgon

Sven Hassel wrote: »

Mass sex assaults and violence being reported at two German festivals over the weekend. A Swedish music festival has been cancelled due to the amount of sexual violence.

You'll forgive me for wanting to live in homogeneous society.

I think it is a fantasy land that you want to live in.

Are you really saying that there is no sexual violence in a mono-cultural society? Because Irish society was basically monocultural for our first 6 or 7 decades, and if you think there was no rape, no child abuse here, then you really are delusional.

Sven Hassel

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Education is what makes us smarter not technology. The average person todays is a lot smarter than the average person 50 or 100 years ago.
It's not like if Einstein was in school today he'd be in the slow class or anything, but on average it's an upwards trend.



If life today is so much better - how could this "multi cult" be failed.
I'm not sure what a multi cult is - but I assume you mean the durty foreigners?

Or do you not agree life is better? If not - how so, what makes it worse?

Actually IQ levels are dropping in the western world today.

The multi cult is the failed ideology that we bring all the peoples of the world and we would all live happily together as one big family. Look at crime in Sweden and see the result. But you know all that and you still have to get your tiresome jibe in about 'de nazi hatin the blacks lads'. Go you.

Again I think it's too simplistic to say life is inherently better today. You may have more money for frivolous items but you're also working yourself to death to rent your crappy Celtic tiger apartment.

Say millions of Europeans were heading to North African countries, and the people of these countries were concerned about the impact of this massive migration, and were concerned about future demographics of their countries, would you call them racist?

Sven Hassel

fisgon wrote: »

I think it is a fantasy land that you want to live in.

Are you really saying that there is no sexual violence in a mono-cultural society? Because Irish society was basically monocultural for our first 6 or 7 decades, and if you think there was no rape, no child abuse here, then you really are delusional.

Nope. But I do know there was no taharrush in Europe until recently. Do you think a new form of sex crime is an acceptable part of multiculturalism?

Say millions of Europeans were heading to North African countries, and the people of these countries were concerned about the impact of this massive migration, and were concerned about future demographics of their countries, would you call them racist?

sbsquarepants

Sven Hassel wrote: »

Actually IQ levels are dropping in the western world today.?

There are of course exceptions that prove the rule! But in general IQs are rising. Due in large part to better nutrition (one of those important metrics) and better education (another one) It's called the Flynn effect.

Sven Hassel wrote: »

The multi cult is the failed ideology that we bring all the peoples of the world and we would all live happily together as one big family. Look at crime in Sweden and see the result. But you know all that and you still have to get your tiresome jibe in about 'de nazi hatin the blacks lads'. Go you.?

How do you know so much about Sweden and so little about Ireland?
Is Sven your real name:D

Sven Hassel wrote: »

Again I think it's too simplistic to say life is inherently better today. You may have more money for frivolous items but you're also working yourself to death to rent your crappy Celtic tiger apartment.

Those 2 things are contradictory.
I either have loads of spare money for frivolous items OR I have to work myself to death just to keep a roof over my head.
It clearly can't be both!
Think first and only then type for god sake.

Sven Hassel wrote: »

Say millions of Europeans were heading to North African countries, and the people of these countries were concerned about the impact of this massive migration, and were concerned about future demographics of their countries, would you call them racist?

The reality is, any time there was an influx of Europeans it was to rob the place blind!

There seems to be some sort of underlying current, certainly in this thread but also in general, whereby it's perfectly fine for us Paddys to fúck off here there and everywhere but it's not ok for foreigners to come here.
There's a word for that - Bollox.

Sven Hassel

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The reality is, any time there was an influx of Europeans it was to rob the place blind!

There seems to be some sort of underlying current, certainly in this thread but also in general, whereby it's perfectly fine for us Paddys to fúck off here there and everywhere but it's not ok for foreigners to come here.
There's a word for that - Bollox.

You still didn't answer my question. If the situation was reversed and the peoples of North Africa were concerned about European immigration, and the demographics, would you be calling them racists and bigots? I wouldn't.

sbsquarepants

Sven Hassel wrote: »

You still didn't answer my question. If the situation was reversed and the peoples of North Africa were concerned about European immigration, and the demographics, would you be calling them racists and bigots? I wouldn't.

If they were rejecting others purely on the grounds of their race, then yes I would call them racist. What else could I call them?

RandomName2

fisgon wrote: »

No-one is advocating unrestricted immigration.

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

No borders? We're all the same? Only racists are anti-immigration? We can fit millions more people? I've heard all these sound bites and they all strongly imply unrestricted immigration. People who advocate bringing all the Mediterranean migrants into Europe support unrestricted immigration explicitly. I haven't heard one of the groups you mention suggest any upper bounds on the amount of immigration into the country. I suppose that's because they don't advocate unrestricted immigration, according to you.

A conspicuous lack of straw in that straw man.

Also just a point on a previous post where you mentioned the Balkans, yes Yugoslavia (or Lebanon) is the result when you have different cultures forced together under the same roof. The only sane, sensible arrangement was for separate countries to be formed based on separate societies within the Balkans. It was a shame that it came to a violent solution in Yugoslavia, as opposed to the peaceful route pursued by Czechoslovakia

Sven Hassel

sbsquarepants wrote: »

If they were rejecting others purely on the grounds of their race, then yes I would call them racist. What else could I call them?

But there not rejecting Europeans on race, they welcome Europeans who emigrate legally and can contribute. They just have concerns about mass European migration because they've seen crime go up, especially sex crime, and they know bringing in large numbers of people creates social problems. You still call them racist? I don't. I would say they have every right to be concerned about migration.

dav3

Sven Hassel wrote: »

But there not rejecting Europeans on race, they welcome Europeans who emigrate legally and can contribute. They just have concerns about mass European migration because they've seen crime go up, especially sex crime, and they know bringing in large numbers of people creates social problems. You still call them racist? I don't. I would say they have every right to be concerned about migration.

This is a thread about white Irish and our ever increasing population, even with mass emigration over the past 5 years, somehow being wiped out.

The whole imaginary mass immigration into Europe has been done to death.

Have people really run out of hysterical, over the top, fearmongering stories of white genocide in Ireland already?

Raycyst

fisgon wrote: »

...
No-one is advocating unrestricted immigration. Not the most left wing internationalist, not PBP, not the Irish immigrant council, and certainly not normal, everyday people who see your brand of rhetoric as hateful and just a cover for a dislike of everyone who is not white.

Just with Trump, the KKK and Le Pen, it is all built on lies, fear and hatred of anyone that is different.

Can you name some of the restrictions please?

What restrictions have any of those bodies placed on immmigration into Ireland?

All of those bodies are pro-immigration and they have no published restrictions.

RandomName2

dav3 wrote: »

The whole imaginary mass immigration into Europe has been done to death.

Ah well, nuff said. Erdogan's threats would be totally wasted on you.

Raycyst

dav3 wrote: »

This is a thread about white Irish and our ever increasing population, even with mass emigration over the past 5 years, somehow being wiped out.

The whole imaginary mass immigration into Europe has been done to death.

Have people really run out of hysterical, over the top, fearmongering stories of white genocide in Ireland already?

This post contains dangerous errors and overall it displays a serious lack of comprehension.

The thread is about the Irish becoming a minority, not about the Irish being wiped out. That error is called 'moving the goalposts' or 'reductio ad absurdism'.


Mass immigration into Europe is not imaginary and to say it is indicates that you're delusional.
Calling someone delusional is only an insult if it's not true. If someone is actually delusional then it is ok during a debate to refer to that fact.
Mass immigration into europe is real. To say otherwise is not true.


The last line quoted above demonstrates a serious lack of self awareness. It is you, Dav, who is hysterical and over the top.


Being concerned that 20% of your population has been replaced in 20 years is not hysterical fear mongering. The Roman Empire fell for much less.

sbsquarepants

Sven Hassel wrote: »

But there not rejecting Europeans on race, they welcome Europeans who emigrate legally and can contribute.

I see. So you welcome all foreigners who come here legally and can contribute?

RandomName2

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I see. So you welcome all foreigners who come here legally and can contribute?

I don't know about Sven, but I welcome everyone here who's on a work visa.

dav3

Raycyst wrote: »

The thread is about the Irish becoming a minority...

"White Irish", let's not forget what thread we're in.

This thread wouldn't get very far if it was just about Irish people. 'What about Ballyhaunis, and, eh, the Irish being the majority in the town?' doesn't have quite the gripping, click-bait, hysterical ring to it as 'OMG the white Irish are being wiped out in Ballyhaunis, what are we going to do?'

Although if you'd like to discuss the lie of the Irish becoming a minority in Ireland we could do that also.

topper75

Academic wrote: »

Well, not by the then-contemporary interpretation. Remember the "divine right of kings": rulers derived their authority to govern from god or the gods, not from the consent of the governed. Constantine, Caesar, etc., etc., etc.

But this chap was an orphan and not a king. He was spouting madness.

The correct answer both then and now is "I think you need to lie down for a while mate, you need rest." I don't think context changes that!

ScumLord

Raycyst wrote: »

Can you name some of the restrictions please?

There's a website with all the information you're looking for. http://www.inis.gov.ie/

They even publish a list of the outcome of applications and why people were refused.
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/visa-archive-15052017-10072017.pdf/Files/visa-archive-15052017-10072017.pdf
Reasons include not enough paperwork, not having enough money, cost to the state, inconsistencies in the documentation.

Raycyst wrote: »

Mass immigration into Europe is not imaginary and to say it is indicates that you're delusional.

What constitutes mass immigration over normal immigration to you? What's a normal amount of immigration?

Being concerned that 20% of your population has been replaced in 20 years is not hysterical fear mongering. The Roman Empire fell for much less.

No it didn't. The vast majority of people living in the Roman empire were not romans, I've never once heard that immigration was a problem in the roman empire.

I don't think your stat of 20% of the population being replaced makes much sense. Ireland only really attracted large immigration during the boom, the vast majority of those people left once the economy tanked. What percentage of our own population is immigrating? We have a consistent flow of Irish people leaving this country and if we didn't have people coming into the country we'd end up a genetic mud pool with a failing population. I also don't think that fixing the economy will stop people immigrating either, it's part of our culture to leave and see the world now.

sbsquarepants

RandomName2 wrote: »

I don't know about Sven, but I welcome everyone here who's on a work visa.

Well at least that's something. I'm not a big fan of free loaders myself.

But...

What about Irish people who don't / won't work?
What about the foreigners we don't allow to work?
What about kids?
What about students?
What happens when they get old / sick / injured?
What if an irish person marries abroad and then wants to bring their husband / wife / kids home?

Raycyst

ScumLord wrote: »

There's a website with all the information you're looking for. http://www.inis.gov.ie/

They even publish a list of the outcome of applications and why people were refused.
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/visa-archive-15052017-10072017.pdf/Files/visa-archive-15052017-10072017.pdf
Reasons include not enough paperwork, not having enough money, cost to the state, inconsistencies in the documentation.

Yes, but you're not answering the question I asked.

Therefore, you're being deliberately intellectually dishonest. I expected more from a scumlord.

I said that the bodies listed had no restrictions. I'm aware that Ireland as a state has restrictions. We're both aware that only 20% of deportees are actually deported. We're both aware that the Gardai are distracted at the moment and aren't much help.
Who's responsible for deportations? Civil servants? No wonder they're not happening.
Will charities have to step in here?

ScumLord wrote: »

What constitutes mass immigration over normal immigration to you? What's a normal amount of immigration?

More intellectual dishonesty.
A poster said mass immigration into europe was imaginary. I said it wasn't. There are large amounts of people immigrating into Europe. Therefore, what I said is accurate and what you have said is not strictly relevant.
I haven't spoken about what is normal or not normal, I just disputed the clear mistake that immigration into europe is not happening.




I had said something about Rome falling due to immigration.

ScumLord wrote: »

No it didn't. The vast majority of people living in the Roman empire were not romans, I've never once heard that immigration was a problem in the roman empire.

I don't think your stat of 20% of the population being replaced makes much sense. Ireland only really attracted large immigration during the boom, the vast majority of those people left once the economy tanked. What percentage of our own population is immigrating? We have a consistent flow of Irish people leaving this country and if we didn't have people coming into the country we'd end up a genetic mud pool with a failing population. I also don't think that fixing the economy will stop people immigrating either, it's part of our culture to leave and see the world now.

Approx 20% or irish citizens have emigrated and they've been replaced by immigrants. That is population replacement, or at least the beginnings of it.

It is considered that immigration into Rome was a factor in its downfall.

Roman senators used to walk among their public. I don't imagine Trump could do that, or even Leo.

Sven Hassel

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I see. So you welcome all foreigners who come here legally and can contribute?

I think it's best if they have a skill we need in our economy an aren't too keen on the whole radical Islam.

You're being very evasive on my questions. Hmm, could it be that you think white nations should shut up and and put up when it comes to immigration but don't expect the same from non white nations?

sbsquarepants

Raycyst wrote: »

More intellectual dishonesty.
A poster said mass immigration into europe was imaginary. I said it wasn't. There are large amounts of people immigrating into Europe. Therefore, what I said is accurate and what you have said is not strictly relevant.
I haven't spoken about what is normal or not normal, I just disputed the clear mistake that immigration into europe is not happening.


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Just had a quick look at the figures for asylum seekers to the EU there. Numbers grew steadily from 2008 on peaking in 2015 and have been falling slightly since.

For the years 2008 - 2016 (the years Wikipedia cared to give me) total applications for asylum to the EU stand at just under 4.5m (over 50% of those are in the past 3 years).

So in 8 years of unprecedented demand for asylum - even if every single case was granted, the population of the EU would have increased by less than 1%.

This is what you're getting all worked up over.

end of the road

Raycyst wrote: »

Yes, but you're not answering the question I asked.

he did answer it.

Raycyst wrote: »

We're both aware that only 20% of deportees are actually deported.

we are also aware that others may have left of their own accord, or that new evidence has come to light meaning the deportation is no longer valid.

ScumLord

Raycyst wrote: »

Therefore, you're being deliberately intellectually dishonest.

Enough of this, you're not using it correctly.

I said that the bodies listed had no restrictions.

the post you replied to didn't mention any bodies, all they said was that no one is advocating mass immigration.

Who's responsible for deportations?

I'd imagine it ultimately comes down to the guards.

A poster said mass immigration into europe was imaginary.

Not the poster you quoted. I can't find anyone saying it to be honest. Your claiming there is mass immigration so please state what constitutes mass immigration, at least in your mind.

I just disputed the clear mistake that immigration into europe is not happening.

Again, nobody said immigration into Europe isn't happening. It obviously is happening and always has happened.

Roman senators used to walk among their public. I don't imagine Trump could do that, or even Leo.

And they'd often get killed or beaten to within an inch of their lives for doing so. The roman senate was a pantomime where political groups would go on rampages kicking the living snot out of their opposition. To say a slave economy like Rome had immigration problems is laughable, they fell because all the money went to the top leaving nothing for the vast majority of the population, why would you hire a local when you can just buy a barbarian from the market?

Oranage2

I'm Irish , I speak Irish , but I'm not white.

I find white Irish people as a whole a little ignorant, also I read some studies that found white Irish people not as intelligent as their European counterparts, either way it doesn't bother me but I feel it couldn't do any harm either.

sbsquarepants

Sven Hassel wrote: »

I think it's best if they have a skill we need in our economy an aren't too keen on the whole radical Islam.

You're being very evasive on my questions. Hmm, could it be that you think white nations should shut up and and put up when it comes to immigration but don't expect the same from non white nations?

I'm not being in any way evasive - I've answered your question - I said yes, I'd consider it racist to behave that way.

I also don't think it contributes much to think of a nation as being white or non white. Sounds a little bit KKKy to me.

Do you group people you know into your white and non white friends / colleagues / neighbours whatever.

Out of interest would you date or marry a non white man or woman?
Would you be happy or upset if your kids did?

feargale

Wibbs wrote: »

You can see a nun's face for a start. Nuns don't wear the full get up so much these days. I'd prefer to see neither outfit in the modern world. Though I suspect you're confused with the terminology. You're likely thinking of a hijab as a comparison. To illustrate;

Hijab



Burka



Nun's habit

I'd prefer an evening out with Number One than with Number Three.

dav3

Raycyst wrote: »

Approx 20% or irish citizens have emigrated and they've been replaced by immigrants.

Where did you pull that figure from? Are we still talking about white Irish here?

Raycyst

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scumlord wrote:

To say a slave economy like Rome had immigration problems is laughable, they fell because all the money went to the top leaving nothing for the vast majority of the population, why would you hire a local when you can just buy a barbarian from the market?

Same problem as today then.

Why hire an Irish person when you can hire a black person and treat them like ****?


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I accept that very few people agree with me. That doesn't mean I'm wrong.

end of the road

Raycyst wrote: »

I accept that very few people agree with me. That doesn't mean I'm wrong.

the fact that you are wrong means you are wrong

Sven Hassel

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'm not being in any way evasive - I've answered your question - I said yes, I'd consider it racist to behave that way.

I also don't think it contributes much to think of a nation as being white or non white. Sounds a little bit KKKy to me.

Do you group people you know into your white and non white friends / colleagues / neighbours whatever.

Out of interest would you date or marry a non white man or woman?
Would you be happy or upset if your kids did?

I had to drag the answer out of you which pretty much confirms my suspicions of your hypocrisy.

I'll try again, hundreds of thousand of young European men move to, lets say Tunisia and start committing taharush attacks, groping girls in swimming pools, at music festivals etc Some start blowing up pop concerts and running over kids in trucks because they hate muslims. The native Tunisians start saying, 'hang on a second, we've never had this before, maybe we shouldn't have let in a million men from a very different culture to us. It's not because thy're white it's because mass migration has a large social cost' You think they're KKK or Nazi? I don't, seems a perfectly reasonable reaction. What's your opinion?

No

I've only dated white women as I don't find most non white women to be attractive, except for them east Asians hotties. I would prefer my children and grandchildren to be white rather than mixed. Bet you love hearing that!