Would you be ok with white Irish becoming a minority?

Nicolas Cage

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

It's Sunday.

Yeah, but wait 'till the foreigners get their hands on it, with their Voodoo and chickens and raising the undead...

scopper

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

What is "white Irish" please?

Irish people with white skin. Obviously.

fisgon

It is fascinating to see the terror that any kind of difference inspires in some people posting here.

The idea that "human beings are tribal" is some kind of defence for wanting to only live with your own kind is pretty sad - as I have already said, tribalism gave us ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, the Rwandan genocide, the Troubles etc. It is not something to be celebrated or encouraged, it is something to be questioned.

The fact is that tribes, ethnic groups and nationalities have been mixing since the beginning of human history. Multiculturalism is actually a natural human state. Look at Spain a thousand years ago, the Middle East during the Roman Empire; look at India now, where 150 different languages are spoken, look at Singapore, look at the ethnic melting pot of the US.

Just wanting to be with "your own" is a fantasy inspired by a fear of "the other", a fear based on panic, lies and ignorance.

scopper

donegaLroad wrote: »

I lived in Dublin a couple of times, 1999, 2001. It has changed a lot since then. You would have had a greater chance of meeting a Dub in the city centre than today.

Really depends, I mean there are parts of Dublin where for sure you might not see many Irish - especially tourist parts - but I'd never say you are that far away from bumping into one. I mean in this case he mentions Smithfield, I'm not sure about anyone else here but I'd hardly consider Smithfield a place where there are not lots and lots of Irish people.

lawred2

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Ballyhaunis is a dump. It'll b nice to add a bit of colour to the place.

My mum comes from up that way. Never has a truer word been said than Ballyhaunis being a dump. Hate the place. Grim memories as a child visiting up there.

A concerted bombing campaign would actually improve the place.

scopper

fisgon wrote: »

It is fascinating to see the terror that any kind of difference inspires in some people posting here.

The idea that "human beings are tribal" is some kind of defence for wanting to only live with your own kind is pretty sad - as I have already said, tribalism gave us ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, the Rwandan genocide, the Troubles etc. It is not something to be celebrated or encouraged, it is something to be questioned.

The fact is that tribes, ethnic groups and nationalities have been mixing since the beginning of human history. Multiculturalism is actually a natural human state. Look at Spain a thousand years ago, the Middle East during the Roman Empire; look at India now, where 150 different languages are spoken, look at Singapore, look at the ethnic melting pot of the US.

Just wanting to be with "your own" is a fantasy inspired by a fear of "the other", a fear based on panic, lies and ignorance.

This is sort of the extreme inverse of their position, a sort of vague idealistic universalism where history gets eaten up into some weird progressive narrative (it was always thus!).

Wibbs

fisgon wrote: »

The idea that "human beings are tribal" is some kind of defence for wanting to only live with your own kind is pretty sad - as I have already said, tribalism gave us ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, the Rwandan genocide, the Troubles etc. It is not something to be celebrated or encouraged, it is something to be questioned.

Questioning is good.

Multiculturalism is actually a natural human state.

Debatable.

Look at Spain a thousand years ago,

Based on empire building and an invasion by an outside group.

the Middle East during the Roman Empire;

Again based on empire building and an invasion by an outside group(and was a regular clusterfcuk of epic proportions). Rome as an overall entity is a better example, where it did tend to work. However, you had to self identify as Roman first. Any deviation from that was frowned upon or crushed mercilessly.

Going by your examples so far, you'd seem to be OK with empires, so long as they are "multicultural". Would the British empire pass muster for you? Didn't think so.

look at India now, where 150 different languages are spoken,

Yeah, we really should hold up India as a good example.

look at Singapore,

Have you? You might.

look at the ethnic melting pot of the US.

Oh yeah, no issues there at all. Never mind it's another one of those countries founded by empire and based on immigration.

SterlingArcher

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Mod: Again, attack the post and not the poster.



Thread reopened. Do try to play nice. It's Sunday.

Ah ha but in fact I was attacking the post. Albeit in order to get my point across about not attacking posters.I used the issue to make the point for itself.

But wholly agree is Sunday. Can't there be some niceties.

For instance my minority neighbour asked me could he use my pool today. what with the weather. And because it's Sunday with this dead heat I said of course. But relax my fellow kkk members. I made sure to warn him that he is allowed just once he stays outta my gene pool. We had a right old back slapping laugh.

Back on topic. I don't object to minorities becoming the majority. if it happens with real well thought out rationality involved. And a natural integration of both. It isn't an issue. Avoiding the disastrous rushed in attempts of other European countries.

I don't want it happening out of some desperate desire to appear faux compassionate and understanding. lumping thousands in some back water town and out of pure ignorance promoting the evolution of the very ghettos people should wish to avoid but seem eager to race to.


Another thing I have noticed. Alot of people in this thread scoff at people saying they love their Irish culture. they say "what culture" .

No matter what you say about paddies day.What ever your thoughts are about it . It is celebrated in more countries than any other national holiday around the world. I

We have no culture? Tell that to the opponents in any sporting event. Whole countries entranced by the Irish supporters.Connor mc gregors Opponents overwhelmed. I noted at one of the events his opponent saying about the irish supporters. his eyes were in awe as he said this is surreal. I could only wish I had this.

Pa ElGrande

donegaLroad wrote: »

Driving into Dublin city centre about five years ago, I had to stop and ask directions to an address near Smithfield. The first three people I asked didn't have any English.. all white by the way. When i found someone who spoke English, he turned out to be eastern European.

You know Dublin was founded as a trading post by the Danes. The origin of the name Dublin is lost in time and despite attempts to retrofit it does not match anything Gaelic. Gaelic words like bád (Boat) and Bord (Table) are old Danish words. The common Irish name Seán is a local adaption of the name Jean from the period of Norman invasion (there is no J in Gaelic). Dublin was the locus of the pale and over most of it's life have never really been a 100% native Irish city, it has always had a foreign population. At any time in the history of Dublin you could have encountered the same situation when asking for directions, it is not a uniquely 21st century experience.


21st century migration into Ireland has spread beyond the east coast, and reaches into almost every small town across the country. The major change when compared with 20th century inward migration was people who had a connection with the country either through marriage to an Irish person or a descendent of an ancestor who emigrated to Britain, USA or Australia. In my own case when I was growing up in a small rural community most of my class (including myself) spoke with English accents and this was not unusual at the time. In some areas of West Cork and Kerry there was an influx of people from Germany or the Netherlands and even some people of English origin who wanted their children to grow up in a rural environment safe. Generally speaking they assimilated or passed through as the cost of living rose and their children moved away.

Sven Hassel

Sven Hassel wrote: »

See how the whites are doing in South Africa and ask yourself if you want to be a white minority.

A classic case of PC brigade dictating from afar without ever having to live in a country. These days it is Israel.

Sometimes the world isn't as we wish it would be. South Africa will become like Zimbabwe in a few more years. There will be systematic discrimination against whites and nobody in the liberal dinner parties will bat an eye lid.

SterlingArcher

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A classic case of PC brigade dictating from afar without ever having to live in a country. These days it is Israel.

Sometimes the world isn't as we wish it would be. South Africa will become like Zimbabwe in a few more years. There will be systematic discrimination against whites and nobody in the liberal dinner parties will bat an eye lid.

I personally would like these people for want of better words( pc brigade) . to cut out pretending to think or care. So they can be straight up ruled by nameless faceless big corporations. Pledge their fealty to Apple, or mc Donalds. So they can absolve themselves of any responsibility of their own thoughts. and only Blurt out brand approved slogans that won't dissolve their stock price.

Yourself isit

fisgon wrote: »

It is fascinating to see the terror that any kind of difference inspires in some people posting here.

The idea that "human beings are tribal" is some kind of defence for wanting to only live with your own kind is pretty sad - as I have already said, tribalism gave us ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, the Rwandan genocide, the Troubles etc. It is not something to be celebrated or encouraged, it is something to be questioned.

The people opposing uncontrolled mass migration are not saying the tribalism is good but that it exists. Particularly religious tribalism - you've just given an example in northern ireland. All of those areas are diverse. .

The fact is that tribes, ethnic groups and nationalities have been mixing since the beginning of human history. Multiculturalism is actually a natural human state. Look at Spain a thousand years ago, the Middle East during the Roman Empire; look at India now, where 150 different languages are spoken, look at Singapore, look at the ethnic melting pot of the US.

Just wanting to be with "your own" is a fantasy inspired by a fear of "the other", a fear based on panic, lies and ignorance.

The Roman empire collapsed, Spain kicked out the muslims, India is run by a hindhu nationalist and the US is the home of corrosive identity politics. And that's your cherry picked examples - the native Americans who feared "the other" had good reason to. Fear of the other makes historical sense.

Of course sometimes similar cultures merge. Over time.

fando

SterlingArcher wrote: »

We have no culture? Tell that to the opponents in any sporting event. Whole countries entranced by the Irish supporters.Connor mc gregors Opponents overwhelmed. I noted at one of the events his opponent saying about the irish supporters. his eyes were in awe as he said this is surreal. I could only wish I had this.

Irish definition of culture. LOL

Yourself isit

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

You know Dublin was founded as a trading post by the Danes. The origin of the name Dublin is lost in time and despite attempts to retrofit it does not match anything Gaelic. Gaelic words like bád (Boat) and Bord (Table) are old Danish words. The common Irish name Seán is a local adaption of the name Jean from the period of Norman invasion (there is no J in Gaelic). Dublin was the locus of the pale and over most of it's life have never really been a 100% native Irish city, it has always had a foreign population. At any time in the history of Dublin you could have encountered the same situation when asking for directions, it is not a uniquely 21st century experience.

Dubh Linn is black pool. You might have better luck with Howth if you are looking for a word with no Irish roots . However pointing to a slave trading outpost of Viking imperialism as an example of glorious live and let live multi culturalism is a strange one. The native Irish didn't like the Vikings for good reason.

21st century migration into Ireland has spread beyond the east coast, and reaches into almost every small town across the country. The major change when compared with 20th century inward migration was people who had a connection with the country either through marriage to an Irish person or a descendent of an ancestor who emigrated to Britain, USA or Australia. In my own case when I was growing up in a small rural community most of my class (including myself) spoke with English accents and this was not unusual at the time. In some areas of West Cork and Kerry there was an influx of people from Germany or the Netherlands and even some people of English origin who wanted their children to grow up in a rural environment safe. Generally speaking they assimilated or passed through as the cost of living rose and their children moved away.

Your English accent was because your parents were Irish and you were born there.

Anyway some immigrants will indeed integrate but the Pollyanna like belief that all will is misguided

Yourself isit

fando wrote: »

Irish definition of culture. LOL

Any other culture you wish to lol about while we are here?

fando

Yourself isit wrote: »

Any other culture you wish to lol about while we are here?

Sorry, culture means different thing on the continent.

Pa ElGrande

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

White Irish kids only account for 28% of the community school, think I read somewhere a lot of local parents are now sending their kids to the rural schools outside the town and away from the community school.

There is kernel of truth in this but you may be touching on the third rail of Irish politics - the Irish language. You know the one where 8,068 Irish language forms were completed in Census 2016 compared with 8,676 in Census 2011.

There are several groups pushing agendas in public education in Ireland., Of the more vocal groups, one seeks the extermination of the Catholic religion in schools, while the nationalist group seeks the imposition of the Irish language and both are aligned with politically left leaning groups like national socialists and social democrats. Most of the decisions about where parents send their children are results orientated and the growth in rural schools and gaelscoils is driven by a combination of lack of places in urban schools, perception of poor discipline and poor results due to the number of non native English speakers holding the class back. Students of foreign parents are on the whole are not really interested in their children learning Irish and want them speaking English to advance their future employment prospects. For most native Irish parents the rural school represents a safe environment for their children to grow and learn the values they grew up with and they really have no issue with religion being taught in school even if they are not regular practitioners they still attend the ceremonies that are a dominant part of Irish culture.

Yourself isit

fando wrote: »

Sorry, culture means different thing on the continent.

So you think Irish culture is inferior to continental culture? Sounds like a supremacist belief system.

Mutant z

Of course not who in their right mind would, white Irish have been traditionally the majority of the population and should remain so.

Mutant z

Anyone who is ok with white Irish becoming a minority in their own country is a traitor simple as.

Richard Hillman

Yourself isit wrote: »

If the white Irish were to become a minority in Kerry we might rid ourselves of the backwoodsmen voting for the Healey Raes

Yeah, they'll vote for some uber liberal, empty platitude smoking male feminist, like they do in their former homelands.

Pa ElGrande

Mutant z wrote: »

Anyone who is ok with white Irish becoming a minority in their own country is a traitor simple as.

Nothing is ever simple, the only people I know in this country who define themselves by skin colour are covered in orange fake tan. Are these people to be called out as traitors?

Anesthetize

Nice to see white power alive and well in Ireland

Mutant z

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Nothing is ever simple, the only people I know in this country who define themselves by skin colour are covered in orange fake tan. Are these people to be called out as traitors?

If they're in favour of their own nationality becoming a minority in their homeland then yes they are traitors.

Dr Crayfish

Mutant z wrote: »

Anyone who is ok with white Irish becoming a minority in their own country is a traitor simple as.

A traitor to who? I care about my loved ones and the colour of my neighbours doesnr affect that. A traitor to my country? Do you really think your country or government cares about you? Lol.

Anesthetize

Mutant z wrote: »

If they're in favour of their own nationality becoming a minority in their homeland then yes they are traitors.

This is impossible since the most of majority you are referring will become nationals themselves.

AnGaelach

Hasschu wrote: »

The Irish are mongrels composed of everything that washed up on shore in the past 6,000 years or so. The Celts are but a small part of the mix. Whatever shows up becomes an indistinguishable part of the Irish stew over 200 years or so. The Northern Irish settlers walk like ducks, talk like ducks and look like ducks so both sides resort to religion as part of the gross exaggeration of minor differences practiced by all the Irish ducks North and South. Most of you have heard the phrase "Yere a disgrace to yere feckin race." used usually by middle aged Irish women. I have taken that to mean that a lot of Irish people believe there is such a thing as the Irish race. In truth we are part of the European cocktail mix and the sooner we start learning French, German, Italian, Spanish the sooner we will be able to participate in Europe as we have in Canada, USA, NZ, Australia, Argentina, Chile and yes even England.

Now we really aren't. Your pseudo-history might be a common soundbit in Blackrock when you're chatting up the Latvians on holiday but it's certainly not a fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkaEZmaGeOY

AnGaelach

fisgon wrote: »

It is fascinating to see the terror that any kind of difference inspires in some people posting here.

The idea that "human beings are tribal" is some kind of defence for wanting to only live with your own kind is pretty sad - as I have already said, tribalism gave us ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, the Rwandan genocide, the Troubles etc. It is not something to be celebrated or encouraged, it is something to be questioned.

The fact is that tribes, ethnic groups and nationalities have been mixing since the beginning of human history. Multiculturalism is actually a natural human state. Look at Spain a thousand years ago, the Middle East during the Roman Empire; look at India now, where 150 different languages are spoken, look at Singapore, look at the ethnic melting pot of the US.

Just wanting to be with "your own" is a fantasy inspired by a fear of "the other", a fear based on panic, lies and ignorance.

So you're saying we should be more like India - where women are gangraped by hundreds of men on buses, or the US where we can't seem to go a week without a riot because a white cop shot a black kid?

Yeah I'd rather not be anything like them if that's alright with you. If you want multiculturalism, take yourself to those areas instead of bringing those areas to us.

Mutant z

Anesthetize wrote: »

This is impossible since the most of majority you are referring will become nationals themselves.

Being born in a country makes no difference, British born muslims still consider themselves muslim first everything else second, their culture and beliefs are certainly not that of a native Brit, no matter what way you spin it, same applies to here, do you consider Ibrahim Halawa to be Irish because i sure don't.

dav3

Mutant z wrote: »

If they're in favour of their own nationality becoming a minority in their homeland then yes they are traitors.

Just so we're all clear, when you say "nationality", you really mean white Irish. You don't want to be counting all those blacks and Asians as Irish, people might start getting the wrong impression of you.