Would you be ok with white Irish becoming a minority?

AnGaelach

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

There are several groups pushing agendas in public education in Ireland., Of the more vocal groups, one seeks the extermination of the Catholic religion in schools, while the nationalist group seeks the imposition of the Irish language and both are aligned with politically left leaning groups like national socialists and social democrats. Most of the decisions about where parents send their children are results orientated and the growth in rural schools and gaelscoils is driven by a combination of lack of places in urban schools, perception of poor discipline and poor results due to the number of non native English speakers holding the class back. Students of foreign parents are on the whole are not really interested in their children learning Irish and want them speaking English to advance their future employment prospects. For most native Irish parents the rural school represents a safe environment for their children to grow and learn the values they grew up with and they really have no issue with religion being taught in school even if they are not regular practitioners they still attend the ceremonies that are a dominant part of Irish culture.

Haha, what? Gaeilscoileanna are promoting national socialism? I know where I'm putting my kids!

pumpkin4life

You sick freaks.

If this is allowed to continue, then we deserve everything we get.

AnGaelach

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

A traitor to who? I care about my loved ones and the colour of my neighbours doesnr affect that. A traitor to my country? Do you really think your country or government cares about you? Lol.

It must be a terrible life to not want your Government to care about you. Do you see the Government as just another entity, on par with corporations or companies? Do you think the Government is there just to turn a profit for its shareholders and lobbyists at your expense, or do you think it is there to govern?

I've had to rely on the State in an emergency outside the country before, and they most certainly did care about me. I wouldn't presume to think they cared about me and not any other Irish person, although it could be down to my dashing good lucks.

dav3

pumpkin4life wrote: »

You sick freaks.

If this is allowed to continue, then we deserve everything we get.

Saturday and evening deliveries?

I'm not sure if we deserve it, but I'll take it.

Mutant z

dav3 wrote: »

Just so we're all clear, when you say "nationality", you really mean white Irish. You don't want to be counting all those blacks and Asians as Irish, people might start getting the wrong impression of you.

No i mean culture, cultures define nationalities far more than skin colour, when you have cultures that are incompatible with our way of life they will never integrate no matter how long they have been here, there's muslims born and bred in the UK that have never integrated because their culture is too different, we wlll have the same problems here in future, being born in a country is irrelevant, people generally will be more loyal to their country of origin, muslims especially.

dav3

Mutant z wrote: »

No i mean culture, cultures define nationalities far more than skin colour, when you have cultures that are incompatible with our way of life they will never integrate no matter how long they have been here, there's muslims born and bred in the UK that have never integrated because their culture is too different, we wlll have the same problems here in future, being born in a country is irrelevant, people generally will be more loyal to their country of origin, muslims especially.

There was only one question relating to nationality on the census form. The other question related to ethnic or cultural background.

The reason for this question in their own words was

Ethnicity is listed as one of the nine grounds for discrimination under equality legislation in Ireland. The information on ethnicity gathered in this question enables an analysis of the population by social and living conditions, employment, occupation, education and a whole range of other social and demographic variables.

You can see why some countries don't include the question on their census as it always get hijacked and misinterpreted by a certain group of people.
The question is there to highlight a whole group of different variables including highlighting areas where discrimination may happen. It is certainly not there to be hijacked and used as a tool to encourage and promote even more discrimination.

No matter how many times certain people are told the Irish and white Irish population is increasing, they still refuse to believe it. What can you do.

AnGaelach

dav3 wrote: »

No matter how many times certain people are told the Irish and white Irish population is increasing, they still refuse to believe it. What can you do.

It has already been explained to you, but I'll give you another example.

You earn €1000 a week and your liabilities are €140 a week, leaving you with €860. A year later your income rises to €1008 but your liabilities increases to €181.44, leaving you with €826.56 So, as your income has increased, your expenditures has increased faster.

Are you seriously going to be so pedantic as to say "your income increased!!" whilst ignoring that the other factor has grown faster?

Because it seems you are, that seems to be the only thing you're doing.

Mutant z

The white Irish may have grown in population, but those of a minority background have grown even quicker, so the overall percentage of white Irish is still going to be lower than it was 20 years ago, so increasing in number means diddly squat, if those of minority backgrounds are increasing at a much faster rate.

southstar

Mutant z wrote: »

Being born in a country makes no difference, British born muslims still consider themselves muslim first everything else second, their culture and beliefs are certainly not that of a native Brit, no matter what way you spin it, same applies to here, do you consider Ibrahim Halawa to be Irish because i sure don't.

Sounds a bit like the Evangelicals in US.. the same people would use the constitution to wipe their pious hypocritical asses with... and then they embraced that orange slut as their leader... Jesus wept.

Anesthetize

Mutant z wrote: »

Being born in a country makes no difference, British born muslims still consider themselves muslim first everything else second, their culture and beliefs are certainly not that of a native Brit, no matter what way you spin it, same applies to here, do you consider Ibrahim Halawa to be Irish because i sure don't.

Well I don't know him personally so I can't say. But I worked with lad for a while who was born in Ireland to Egyptian parents and he was as Irish as you and me. He was also an atheist by the way. But religion and nationality are nothing to do with each other.

AnGaelach

Anesthetize wrote: »

Well I don't know him personally so I can't say. But I worked with lad for a while who was born in Ireland to Egyptian parents and he was as Irish as you and me. He was also an atheist by the way. But religion and nationality are nothing to do with each other.

I suppose he was fluent in Irish and played GAA for county as well? :rolleyes:

Arcade_Tryer

Mutant z wrote: »

No i mean culture, cultures define nationalities far more than skin colour, when you have cultures that are incompatible with our way of life they will never integrate no matter how long they have been here.

Nonsense. According to many posters on this forum, Irish culture consists of the Gaelic language, GAA, and apparently the opposition to any culture which conflicts with this idea of Irish culture. Here's some news for you. There are thousands of Irish people, Irish citizens, living in Ireland all their lives, who have a very different take on what their culture is, and what the idea of culture means. The only difference is they don't try to force this culture on others, or claim that it's a true, authentic, original, Irish culture.

The fear and opposition to different cultures by the Gaelic Irish revivalists is almost as bad as their desire to force other Irish people to submit to their idea of culture.

Dr Crayfish

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Nonsense. According to many posters on this forum, Irish culture consists of the Gaelic language, GAA, and apparently the opposition to any culture which conflicts with this idea of Irish culture. Here's some news for you. There are thousands of Irish people, Irish citizens, living in Ireland all their lives, who have a very different take on what their culture is, and what the idea of culture means. The only difference is they don't try to force this culture on others, or claim that it's a true, authentic, original, Irish culture.

The fear and opposition to different cultures by the Gaelic Irish revivalists is almost as bad as their desire to force other Irish people to submit to their idea of culture.

I avoid GAA as much as I can, don't enjoy it at all. I don't like diddley-eye music. I think most of our "culture" was invented in the last 100 years to give us some kind of identity. It means nothing to me. I went to a Gaelscoil and used to be fluent but again I never really saw the point in it. There are lots of things I like about Ireland but I don't feel in any way unique or different to say, a British person, because whether we like it or not we're not really any different to them at all. In fact, having lived in Britain for years, it's by far the closest thing to home we have. So when people talk about us losing our culture, I can't really figure out what I'm supposed to be worried about losing.

Arcade_Tryer

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I avoid GAA as much as I can, don't enjoy it at all. I don't like diddley-eye music. I think most of our "culture" was invented in the last 100 years to give us some kind of identity. It means nothing to me. I went to a Gaelscoil and used to be fluent but again I never really saw the point in it. There are lots of things I like about Ireland but I don't feel in any way unique or different to say, a British person, because whether we like it or not we're not really any different to them at all. In fact, having lived in Britain for years, it's by far the closest thing to home we have. So when people talk about us losing our culture, I can't really figure out what I'm supposed to be worried about losing.

Yep, this whole fear about losing some idealistic vision of an Irish culture based solely around the Gaelic language, is ironically exhibited by extremists. Culture extremists. The same extremists who are obsessed with, and evidently in serious fear of, Muslim culture, and other different cultures. They are one and the same. The rest of us just get on with our lives and enjoy different things with different people.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

A classic case of PC brigade dictating from afar without ever having to live in a country. These days it is Israel.

israel who breaks nearly every single international law. who commits and possibly even funds terrorism. yeah, how dare people criticise them.

Deleted User wrote: »

Sometimes the world isn't as we wish it would be. South Africa will become like Zimbabwe in a few more years. There will be systematic discrimination against whites and nobody in the liberal dinner parties will bat an eye lid.

where as i suppose you will be doing what you can to stop it from happening yourself?
thought not all right.
south africa is certainly of huge concern, and if it isn't of concern to people it should be.

Mutant z wrote: »

Of course not who in their right mind would, white Irish have been traditionally the majority of the population and should remain so.

white irish will not become a minority. so there is nothing to worry about.

Mutant z wrote: »

Anyone who is ok with white Irish becoming a minority in their own country is a traitor simple as.

nope. untrue.

Mutant z wrote: »

Being born in a country makes no difference, British born muslims still consider themselves muslim first everything else second, their culture and beliefs are certainly not that of a native Brit, no matter what way you spin it, same applies to here, do you consider Ibrahim Halawa to be Irish because i sure don't.

none of that changes anything in terms of one born in the country being from that country, which they are, unless like here children born after january 2005 to foreign parents who have not received citizenship don't automatically qualify for irish citizenship.
british muslims are british. Ibrahim Halawa is irish. you don't have to like those facts but facts they are.

southstar

AnGaelach wrote: »

Look at this faux outrage because it was only 1600 children raped and not thousands... Oh he's not outraged about 1600 children being raped, he's outraged about it being misrepresented.

I wasn't aware of the alleged scale of the abuse. However to hold this up as a rod to beat Muslims by disingenuous but well orchestrated cranks is what's faux here. Jesus the scale of abuse by Irish catholic (note I'm adding the word clergy here,) clergy both at home and abroad would make any decent Irish person blush. Luckily it doesn't get thrown in our faces by oily deranged bigots trying to humiliate us(unless you count all 40members of the Westboro Baptist Church,,.. what a great ad for Christian tolerance they are!) Look the fact that any form of PC should have hindered investigations in either or any case is totally unacceptable

Mutant z

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Nonsense. According to many posters on this forum, Irish culture consists of the Gaelic language, GAA, and apparently the opposition to any culture which conflicts with this idea of Irish culture. Here's some news for you. There are thousands of Irish people, Irish citizens, living in Ireland all their lives, who have a very different take on what their culture is, and what the idea of culture means. The only difference is they don't try to force this culture on others, or claim that it's a true, authentic, original, Irish culture.

The fear and opposition to different cultures by the Gaelic Irish revivalists is almost as bad as their desire to force other Irish people to submit to their idea of culture.

Its also about loyalty to your country, many from non Irish backgrounds simply dont have that loyalty to this country, Ibrahim certainly didnt show loyalty did he when he decided to go to Egypt and protest on behalf of the MB, no true Irish person would get involved with Islamic extremist organisation would they, muslims are defined by their religion, you can't be both a loyal Irish citizen and adhere to islam, the 2 are not compatible with each other.

Dr Crayfish

southstar wrote: »

I wasn't aware of the alleged scale of the abuse. However to hold this up as a rod to beat Muslims by disingenuous but well orchestrated cranks is what's faux here. Jesus the scale of abuse by Irish catholic (note I'm adding the word clergy here,) clergy both at home and abroad would make any decent Irish person blush. Luckily it doesn't get thrown in our faces by oily deranged bigots trying to humiliate us(unless you count all 40members of the Westboro Baptist Church,,.. what a great ad for Christian tolerance they are!) Look the fact that any form of PC should have hindered investigations in either or any case is totally unacceptable

Irish people really shouldn't point the fingers at others when it comes to institutionalised widespread sexual abuse ignored by the state and church! We'd have won the Gold for decades if it was an Olympic Event.

Dr Crayfish

Mutant z wrote: »

Its also about loyalty to your country, many from non Irish backgrounds simply dont have that loyalty to this country, Ibrahim certainly didnt show loyalty did he when he decided to go to Egypt and protest on behalf of the MB, no true Irish person would get involved with Islamic extremist organisation would they, muslims are defined by their religion, you can't be both a loyal Irish citizen and adhere to islam, the 2 are not compatible with each other.

Can you tell me what loyalty to a country involves? I don't feel particularly loyal to anyone apart from those close to me.

Mutant z

Clearly somes definition of Irish is different to others, i tend to go with the expression that being born in a stable doesn't make one a horse.

Mutant z

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Can you tell me what loyalty to a country involves? I don't feel particularly loyal to anyone apart from those close to me.

Yes respecting the law of the land, and putting it above all else and that includes Sharia law, muslims living here have to respect that if they cant they can shag off, to islamic countries where they can have all the sharia they want, but it should never be tolerated here.

InTheTrees

So as an anglo Irish protestant do I qualify as "white Irish"?

Never had an Irish lesson, not a clue about gaa, and I sound like a brit.

end of the road

Mutant z wrote: »

you can't be both a loyal Irish citizen and adhere to islam, the 2 are not compatible with each other.

really? according to who?
the fact that we have plenty of muslims who adhere to islam and are loyal Irish citizens says you are wrong.

Anesthetize

AnGaelach wrote: »

I suppose he was fluent in Irish and played GAA for county as well? :rolleyes:

This criteria must make me Mongolian then, as I think GAA is a joke and I see no use for the Irish language.

B0jangles

InTheTrees wrote: »

So as an anglo Irish protestant do I qualify as "white Irish"?

Never had an Irish lesson, not a clue about gaa, and I sound like a brit.

I think that qualifies you as "Quaite Airish"

AnGaelach

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Irish people really shouldn't point the fingers at others when it comes to institutionalised widespread sexual abuse ignored by the state and church! We'd have won the Gold for decades if it was an Olympic Event.

Do you think those gangs were State or religious institutions or something? You'd be hard-pressed finding a person who wouldn't condemn or be aware of the Catholic Church's disgusting behaviour, but as you've seen there are people (like the poster above) who wasn't even aware the abuse had happened and instead dismissed it as right-wing fantasy/xenophobia.

Engaging in whataboutery does nothing to solve either issue, or are you trying to say if we had cracked down on the abhorrent Catholic Church practices that those 1600 children wouldn't have been raped?

It's whataboutery on a disgusting scale on your part.

AnGaelach

Anesthetize wrote: »

This criteria must make me Mongolian then, as I think GAA is a joke and I see no use for the Irish language.

It was a tongue in cheek remark. You and Joey have the "every racist has a black friend" shtick to laugh about, we have the "my immigrant friend is fluent in Irish and plays GAA so he's Irish" shtick to laugh about.

Mutant z

end of the road wrote: »

really? according to who?
the fact that we have plenty of muslims who adhere to islam and are loyal Irish citizens says you are wrong.

Islam can never be compatible to Ireland end of, a practising muslim puts their religion above all else, if you believe in the ideals of islam, you can never become a loyal integrated citizen of this country.

Dr Crayfish

AnGaelach wrote: »

Do you think those gangs were State or religious institutions or something? You'd be hard-pressed finding a person who wouldn't condemn or be aware of the Catholic Church's disgusting behaviour, but as you've seen there are people (like the poster above) who wasn't even aware the abuse had happened and instead dismissed it as right-wing fantasy/xenophobia.

Engaging in whataboutery does nothing to solve either issue, or are you trying to say if we had cracked down on the abhorrent Catholic Church practices that those 1600 children wouldn't have been raped?

It's whataboutery on a disgusting scale on your part.

The point I'm trying to make is these vile acts have nothing to do with your religion or creed. We're all the same good or bad.

dav3

Mutant z wrote: »

Clearly somes definition of Irish is different to others, i tend to go with the expression that being born in a stable doesn't make one a horse.

I wouldn't work yourself up over it. There are very clear definitions on what makes one Irish.

Anyway this thread isn't about Irishness, it's about white Irish and those nasty non-white Irish plotting behind our backs to take over our pure white land.