The Open Championship 2017

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Quintis wrote: »

Spieth really getting into The Open frame of mind, using the royal 'we'

Does that every week

mickmackey1

paulie21 wrote: »

Did McDowell fail to qualify?

Yeah just realised that, bit of a slide.

CMOTDibbler

luvthegame wrote: »

Eh? He didnt win the US open either, surely you understand what the career grand slam is?

Well to be fair, you didn't actually say 'career'.

There is a grand slam, just nobody's ever done it.

Gregk961

Quintis wrote: »

That is what annoys me most about Spieth, he comes across as poxy more than talented

My eyes still hurt from reading that.

TheRiverman

Sadly Shane Lowry is now just a journeyman golfer,can't put four decent rounds together and continually missing cuts.Overall it's turning out to be a dreadful year for Irish golfers,although Rory did show some spirit today and is in with a chance.

FixdePitchmark

TheRiverman wrote: »

Sadly Shane Lowry is now just a journeyman golfer,can't put four decent rounds together and continually missing cuts.Overall it's turning out to be a dreadful year for Irish golfers,although Rory did show some spirit today and is in with a chance.

That is a bit ridiculous - Shane has earned $600K plus.

He is having a bad year, accepted.

Your a jouryman when you don't even qualify for majors.

Yes Irish having a bad run - accepted , the only one of them giving a bit of excitment latley is Paddy and he is 45 and coming back from injury.

FixdePitchmark

Gregk961 wrote: »

My eyes still hurt from reading that.

yes he went out and only had 25 putts today.

about 4 or 5 less than rest of the field. It is just luck how they just keep going in - just luck.

CMOTDibbler

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

yes he went out and only had 25 putts today.

about 4 or 5 less than rest of the field. It is just luck how they just keep going in - just luck.

Well that puts Rory's 24 in perspective.

FixdePitchmark

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Well that puts Rory's 24 in perspective.

Yes noticed that - was an unusual good performance on greens by Rors.

luvthegame

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Well to be fair, you didn't actually say 'career'.

There is a grand slam, just nobody's ever done it.

Did u read my original post? I said "this year or next?" How can anyone not realise I meant career?

CMOTDibbler

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes noticed that - was an unusual good performance on greens by Rors.

I know I've been banging on about it for a while now, but I always felt that if he could get his approach game sorted, the putts would start to drop. And his approach game was very good today and half of yesterday,

I'm always afraid of false dawns though. Hopefully this isn't one.

Quintis

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

yes he went out and only had 25 putts today.

about 4 or 5 less than rest of the field. It is just luck how they just keep going in - just luck.

PPR is a useless stat in reality, SGP is much more relevant. A putt off the green isn't counted, like Spieth's putt on 17 from off the green. The 3 wood into 15 was a horrible shot which rolled to a few feet, it was pure luck.

I'm not saying he is a bad player, far from it, he just seems to get lucky more than the average guy out there

CMOTDibbler

luvthegame wrote: »

Did u read my original post? I said "this year or next?" How can anyone not realise I meant career?

And did you notice that it wasn't me that pulled you up on it? :P

CMOTDibbler

Quintis wrote: »

PPR is a useless stat in reality, SGP is much more relevant. A putt off the green isn't counted, like Spieth's putt on 17 from off the green.

Would that putt be counted in SGP? Or would it be counted in SGTG?

Edit: I always thought any stroke taken with a putter was counted as a putt.

Quintis

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Would that putt be counted in SGP? Or would it be counted in SGTG?

Edit: I always thought any stroke taken with a putter was counted as a putt.

Well, you calculate SG tee to green by finding the players score, subtracting from the average field score and then subtracting SG putting.

SG putting is far more valuable because it calculates the players make % against the field make % but of course is limited in it doesn't account for complexity of the green, slope, speed etc.

Nope, only putts on green, as they can be recorded more consistently. PPR can be skewed by chipping in etc. I could have 20 PPR if I chipped it close each time from off the green, and I could hit each green in regulation and take 2 putts and my round may be ni worse. Doesn't give any real insight into scoring or actual performance, SGP actually does by comparing you against the field

Dirty Dingus McGee

Hope Spieth wins it, I think he's great to watch pretty much any shot he has on and around the green you feel like it's going to go in.Seems like a sound enough fella aswell.

FixdePitchmark

Quintis wrote: »

PPR is a useless stat in reality, SGP is much more relevant. A putt off the green isn't counted, like Spieth's putt on 17 from off the green. The 3 wood into 15 was a horrible shot which rolled to a few feet, it was pure luck.

I'm not saying he is a bad player, far from it, he just seems to get lucky more than the average guy out there

It wouldn't take any real stats to know Spieth has low PPR - because he is just one of the best putters out there.

Yes - there are other stats on putting - but over a large sample , PPR is going to remove all the variables you are talking about.

a low PPR average - means you are taking less putts - and if you take less putts you score better , fairly usefull stat in my eyes.

FixdePitchmark

Quintis wrote: »

Well, you calculate SG tee to green by finding the players score, subtracting from the average field score and then subtracting SG putting.

SG putting is far more valuable because it calculates the players make % against the field make % but of course is limited in it doesn't account for complexity of the green, slope, speed etc.

Have we got them figures from today for field ?

Quintis

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It wouldn't take any real stats to know Spieth has low PPR - because he is just one of the best putters out there.

Yes - there are other stats on putting - but over a large sample , PPR is going to remove all the variables you are talking about.

a low PPR average - means you are taking less putts - and if you take less putts you score better , fairly usefull stat in my eyes.

I could chip in or putt in from off the green 18 times in a round and have great PPR stats too. No one is denying he isn't a great putter, the point is PPR isn't a reliable statistic for measuring how good a putter a golfer is

FixdePitchmark

Quintis wrote: »

I could chip in or putt in from off the green 18 times in a round and have great PPR stats too

yes but over a large sample it would still be fine and you wouldn't 18 times.

QueenRizla

Weather shaking things up. Supposed to be better tomorrow, still see the Americans dominating though.

Quintis

Rory playing with Woodland, teeing off @ 15:25

FixdePitchmark

Quintis wrote: »

Rory playing with Woodland, teeing off @ 15:25

golf in the morning - a bit of Rory in afternoon - then U2 and a few pints - perfect day.

Rikand

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

golf in the morning - a bit of Rory in afternoon - then U2 and a few pints - perfect day.

Its a beautiful day, no?

Dayor Knight

Quintis wrote: »

PPR is a useless stat in reality, SGP is much more relevant. A putt off the green isn't counted, like Spieth's putt on 17 from off the green. The 3 wood into 15 was a horrible shot which rolled to a few feet, it was pure luck.

I'm not saying he is a bad player, far from it, he just seems to get lucky more than the average guy out there

Was it Lee Trevino who said "the more I practice the luckier I get....."

lawred2

One bloody shot is all PH needed to see the weekend. Very disappointed for him.

CMOTDibbler

Dayor Knight wrote: »

Was it Lee Trevino who said "the more I practice the luckier I get....."

I think the golfiing gods giveth and they taketh away. A couple of years ago they tooketh it all away at Augusta.

blackcard

Kudos to Rory. Facing a 20 foot putt on the eight green yesterday to try and save par to prevent him going six over, with every part of his game seemingly in disarray and coming off a number of missed cuts to being in joint sixth after the second round takes a hell of amount of guts along talent. I have to admit that I would have placed a lot of money on him missing another cut with bleak prospects for the rest of the year.
I still think that Jordan Speith will win. I love his conviction that if a shot is not successful, it is a result of some freak wind or other unlucky occurrence. His wedge play and putting are exceptional. I would love to see himself and Rory paired together in the final round of major.

Whiplash85

blackcard wrote: »

Kudos to Rory. Facing a 20 foot putt on the eight green yesterday to try and save par to prevent him going six over, with every part of his game seemingly in disarray and coming off a number of missed cuts to being in joint sixth after the second round takes a hell of amount of guts along talent. I have to admit that I would have placed a lot of money on him missing another cut with bleak prospects for the rest of the year.
I still think that Jordan Speith will win. I love his conviction that if a shot is not successful, it is a result of some freak wind or other unlucky occurrence. His wedge play and putting are exceptional. I would love to see himself and Rory paired together in the final round of major.

He would wilt in Spieths shadow. For goodness sake even Patrick Reid had his number in the Ryder cup lol

Rikand

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Patrick Reed

Nobody messes with Mr. Ryder Cup

Quintis

Whiplash85 wrote: »

He would wilt in Spieths shadow. For goodness sake even Patrick Reid had his number in the Ryder cup lol

I reckon Spieth annoys him, Rory sees his game being far superior tee to green yet they are both 12 feet from the pin in the same amount of strokes and Spieth rolls his in 60% of the time while Rory misses 60% of the time. Spieths ability to scramble so well grates on Rory I feel.

Hate to say it, but in a match play my money would be on Spieth

CMOTDibbler

Quintis wrote: »

I reckon Spieth annoys him, Rory sees his game being far superior tee to green yet they are both 12 feet from the pin in the same amount of strokes and Spieth rolls his in 60% of the time while Rory misses 60% of the time. Spieths ability to scramble so well grates on Rory I feel.

Hate to say it, but in a match play my money would be on Spieth

I don't know, I think if both are playing well, they'd be pretty evenly matched. Spieth has been very inconsistent over the last couple of years without the injuries or equipment changes McIlroy has had.

blackcard

Whiplash85 wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

Kudos to Rory. Facing a 20 foot putt on the eight green yesterday to try and save par to prevent him going six over, with every part of his game seemingly in disarray and coming off a number of missed cuts to being in joint sixth after the second round takes a hell of amount of guts along talent. I have to admit that I would have placed a lot of money on him missing another cut with bleak prospects for the rest of the year.
I still think that Jordan Speith will win. I love his conviction that if a shot is not successful, it is a result of some freak wind or other unlucky occurrence. His wedge play and putting are exceptional. I would love to see himself and Rory paired together in the final round of major.

He would wilt in Spieths shadow. For goodness sake even Patrick Reid had his number in the Ryder cup lol

And Patrick Reid has won how many majors?

blackcard

Quintis wrote: »

Whiplash85 wrote: »

He would wilt in Spieths shadow. For goodness sake even Patrick Reid had his number in the Ryder cup lol

I reckon Spieth annoys him, Rory sees his game being far superior tee to green yet they are both 12 feet from the pin in the same amount of strokes and Spieth rolls his in 60% of the time while Rory misses 60% of the time. Spieths ability to scramble so well grates on Rory I feel.

Hate to say it, but in a match play my money would be on Spieth

Agree you that from 12 feet, you would take Speith every day of the week. You would take Rory for driving and long irons. Wedges and short irons, Speith. Mentally, Speith.

syngindub

this arsehole has got to me tonight.
Apologies for venting anger but this tosser has some neck with this post.

FixdePitchmark

syngindub wrote: »

this arsehole has got to me tonight.
Apologies for venting anger but this tosser has some neck with this post.

What is wrong with that ?

all true.

FixdePitchmark

People are going on as if Spieth is some sort of hacker who can't play golf - but can putt - it is such a nonsense. Yes the opening of his arms is a little unconventional - but he swings well within himself and is very controlled.

He has a truncated short swing - and you know what, so has John Rahm

There are many a people who know this game very well - saying that Rory has a very young mans swing with a very drastic change and drop in his path.

When an aggressive change in direction in swing goes wrong - god help that person.

FixdePitchmark

blackcard wrote: »

Kudos to Rory. Facing a 20 foot putt on the eight green yesterday to try and save par to prevent him going six over, with every part of his game seemingly in disarray and coming off a number of missed cuts to being in joint sixth after the second round takes a hell of amount of guts along talent. I have to admit that I would have placed a lot of money on him missing another cut with bleak prospects for the rest of the year.
I still think that Jordan Speith will win. I love his conviction that if a shot is not successful, it is a result of some freak wind or other unlucky occurrence. His wedge play and putting are exceptional. I would love to see himself and Rory paired together in the final round of major.

That is true - but equally could you not say Rory turned up to a major like a rabbit in headlights - almost let another one go and was walking around so negative.

He was talking today on the radio - about being positive

Serious Rory - you are one of the best players in the word - should you be at a major with foundation level Rotella coming out.

Deeper Blue

Quintis wrote: »

That is what annoys me most about Spieth, he comes across as poxy more than talented

That has to be the stupidest comment I've ever read on this forum.

luvthegame

Spieth grinds it like nobody else. When u chip in and make 20ft putts at his rate its a combination of nerve, skill and dedicated practice. That said he gets his fair share of good fortune a la 3 wood /eagle on 15th.

I think no one in the field is better suited to links golf than him. He has the mental strength to adapt to the weather. Scrambling at 80%!! Putting well. Hitting fairways.

When u compare him to McIlroy its like nadal vs federer 7/8 years ago. Fed looks better but ud bet on nadal every time.

I think its going to be a great weekend. How golf was meant to be played on a course that's on my bucket list after seeing it the last two days.

ligerdub

Dayor Knight wrote:

Was it Lee Trevino who said "the more I practice the luckier I get....."

No

munster87

ligerdub wrote: »

No

Ooh easy liger

CMOTDibbler

luvthegame wrote: »

Spieth grinds it like nobody else. When u chip in and make 20ft putts at his rate its a combination of nerve, skill and dedicated practice. That said he gets his fair share of good fortune a la 3 wood /eagle on 15th.

I think no one in the field is better suited to links golf than him. He has the mental strength to adapt to the weather. Scrambling at 80%!! Putting well. Hitting fairways.

When u compare him to McIlroy its like nadal vs federer 7/8 years ago. Fed looks better but ud bet on nadal every time.

I think its going to be a great weekend. How golf was meant to be played on a course that's on my bucket list after seeing it the last two days.

Seriously?

I know he's playing well at the moment and has come off the back of a win at the Travelers. But for the last two years he's been all over the place. Before the Travelers his form was: T30, MC, T11, MC, MC, T2, T13, T35. He hasn't been as bad as Jason Day, but he's been cutting a somewhat forlorn figure at big tournaments of late. DJ has played less tournaments than him and is miles ahead on the World ranking.

And that's pretty much been the pattern. He hasn't played a tournament in three weeks, so maybe he's been practicing his links golf in the meantime. A lot of people were scratching their heads as to how he could have been the bookies favourite coming into this Open. I suspect it's by default since DJ's been injured, NcIlroy has had a very limited season and has missed cuts and Spieth had a recent win.

Quintis

NDWC wrote: »

That has to be the stupidest comment I've ever read on this forum.

I expanded on the point, try reading thread fully maybe!

Benicetomonty

Dayor Knight wrote: »

Was it Lee Trevino who said "the more I practice the luckier I get....."

It was Gary Player. And he never gets tired of reminding us.

Benicetomonty

Spieth the clear favourite imo. Doesnt seem to get flustered, just babbles away to himself after a bad shot and then makes a putt for a par.

Weather conditions today should suit McIlroy but then he played poorly on the easier of the 2 days so far, so who knows what hel do

Poulter and Brooks an interesting pairing. Koepka stole the Turkish Open away from Poults a few years back, which wont have been forgotten. But Koepka has become a different calibre of player altogether now so youd expect him to be the lower of the two

Will be fascinated to watch Ian today. Hes putted well the 1st two days, especially Thursday, but he's been great off the tee as well. Big day today. He'll have all the support so if he can let that fuel him like it does at the Ryder Cup, maybe the unlikely could happen. It would be a win of Clarkish proportions though, maybe even moreso given the quality around him.

Dont really see anybody running away with it whatever happens. Should be an exciting afternoon and a great Sunday!

CMOTDibbler

Benicetomonty wrote: »

Spieth the clear favourite imo. Doesnt seem to get flustered, just babbles away to himself after a bad shot and then makes a putt for a par.

Weather conditions today should suit McIlroy but then he played poorly on the easier of the 2 days so far, so who knows what hel do

Poulter and Brooks an interesting pairing. Koepka stole the Turkish Open away from Poults a few years back, which wont have been forgotten. But Koepka has become a different calibre of player altogether now so youd expect him to be the lower of the two

Will be fascinated to watch Ian today. Hes putted well the 1st two days, especially Thursday, but he's been great off the tee as well. Big day today. He'll have all the support so if he can let that fuel him like it does at the Ryder Cup, maybe the unlikely could happen. It would be a win of Clarkish proportions though, maybe even moreso given the quality around him.

Dont really see anybody running away with it whatever happens. Should be an exciting afternoon and a great Sunday!

Yeah, it's been great so far. Koepka and Poulter are interesting since they both got the head down and ground away at it, keeping their cards as clean as possible. Poulter slogged away with par after par and a lot of saves in there too. Koepka much the same. And don't forget Kuch. He also kept the damage to a minumum and managed a pretty good round in the conditions.

Only nine players under par after two days and only ten on even par. That's a proper major right there.

There's so much potential for any of those 19 or even those on +1 to make a charge today and put the leaderboard under pressure. You've the likes of Rafa, Bubba, Zach and even Ernie out there with a chance. Henrik Stenson isn't out of it by any means either.

Benicetomonty

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Yeah, it's been great so far. Koepka and Poulter are interesting since they both got the head down and ground away at it, keeping their cards as clean as possible. Poulter slogged away with par after par and a lot of saves in there too. Koepka much the same. And don't forget Kuch. He also kept the damage to a minumum and managed a pretty good round in the conditions.

Only nine players under par after two days and only ten on even par. That's a proper major right there.

There's so much potential for any of those 19 or even those on +1 to make a charge today and put the leaderboard under pressure. You've the likes of Rafa, Bubba, Zach and even Ernie out there with a chance. Henrik Stenson isn't out of it by any means either.

Somebody will make a charge but I dont know how far back we can really go. The weather is to be good all day, no distinct advantage for the early starters, so that means multiple rds in the mid 60s are probably likely. Like u said, there are 9 guys in red figures; at least two or three of them are going to shoot 68 or better. If one of them happens to be Spieth, you could be looking at -10 leading going into Sunday, which would take a lot of the chasers out of it.

Dont know what to make of Kuchar. He is world class, has contended in majors, is a proven winner on Tour, seems to be a popular but focused guy. He should be ready. And yet, I just cant see him doing it. I dont think hel blow up, but I dont think hel win.

CMOTDibbler

The weather will be pretty good today. Temperatures will get up to about 20° by lunchtime and winds wil be light (10kph) from the South-East to SSE. There's a chance of showers later in the afternoon around the time the leaders go out, and they could be heavy at times.

CMOTDibbler

Scores so far are a pretty mixed bag. Three players over par, five level and five under par. Biggest mover is Shaun Norris who's three under after seven, putting him at two over for the tournament. Not bad from a guy who barely made the cut.